Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

There are TWO direct benefits to you from the flu vaccine:

1. It reduces your chances of getting the flu by 40-60%

CDC: "flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine."

2. It reduces your chances of ending up hospitalized or in the ICU or dead from the flu, if you do get it:

"In recent years, flu vaccines have reduced the risk of flu-associated hospitalizations among older adults on average by about 40%. Flu vaccination among adults reduced the risk of being admitted to an intensive care unit (ICU) with flu by 82 percent. flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized flu patients. A 2018 study showed that among adults hospitalized with flu, vaccinated patients were 59 percent less likely to be admitted to the ICU than those who had not been vaccinated. Among adults in the ICU with flu, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated."

And then it has a primary indirect benefit, which is reducing the spread of the Flu in the population at large which reduces your chances of being exposed to the Flu virus in the first place. It further reduces the chances someone else who is a child or old or immune compromised of getting it and dying from it as well.

That's nice. I've never had the flu jab, rarely ever get flu, and on the occasions I have, it never puts me out for long. A week at most and I've never been bedridden by it.

My immune system works perfectly fine, I don't need a barely-functioning "vaccine" that doesn't even convey immunity.

And since many here won't give a shit about those benefits, here's another: Less time hospitalized, especially in ICU, means lower bills. IOW, the vaccine will potentially save you $$$ for a nominal cost and expenditure of time.

I've never been hospitalised by any infection, and we don't pay for it in this country. Unfortunately, I don't get a refund for not making use of the services I fund.

[SHARK]

Except I didn't lie. And you have demonstrated you aren't worth any serious investment of time.

Dude, I figured that out weeks ago, and I didn't even spend that much time in this forum section till after the election. This guy makes interacting with HappyDaze and Mistwell seem enjoyable. I don't even hate them that much, specially when actually discussing RPGs.

You know, the last couple of breathless 'oh shit it's all terrible' posts from Misty have involved California.

Here's a thought. Maybe the problem there isn't Covid.

Maybe California is just very, very, badly run.

Exactly. I mean, that place is such as nasty dump it had a resurgence of Medieval era diseases, for crying out loud! Of course more people are dying of sickness there than anywhere else in the US!

I don't hate anyone here, though the guy who called me a Zionist Scum is pushing it. I've been here for over a decade, and I knew some of the folks here online (like SHARK) well before they were posting here. My love of RPGs and people who play them is far more important to me than any of this bullshit.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Mistwell, do you realize you have known me since Eric Noah was running EN World? That was before Morrus was even there. Was that 2000? Geesus. Where has the time gone?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Shasarak]

The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.

Reasonable people disagree.

How do you know what reasonable people do?

[HappyDaze]

The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.

Reasonable people disagree.

How do you know what reasonable people do?

If you have to ask, then you spend too much of your time here.

[Shasarak]

The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.

Reasonable people disagree.

How do you know what reasonable people do?

If you have to ask, then you spend too much of your time here.

I mean that seriously.

[HappyDaze]

The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.

Reasonable people disagree.

How do you know what reasonable people do?

If you have to ask, then you spend too much of your time here.

I mean that seriously.

Good one. That made me laugh.

[Kiero]

Another lockdown, even though they don't work, and hardly anyone is dying. Truly we live in fucking clownworld.

[HappyDaze]

hardly anyone is dying

Are you speaking qualitatively or quantitatively? I just like to know what kind of monster I'm hunting.

[consolcwby]

FREEDOM IS NOT GIVEN, BUT TAKEN:
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1345842164840984576
There were six people in a house in Gatineau, Canada. A neighbour snitched. Police went in, Gestapo style. Assaulting citizens. So, yeah. Every lockdown politician and apologist who made this monstrous world and then tries to sneak away to Florida or Hawaii? Fuck you.

BRAVELY BORIS:
https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/04/boris-johnson-united-kingdom-announces-national-coronavirus-lockdown/
Under the lockdown restrictions, gatherings with members of more than one household are prohibited and citizens are ordered to stay home except for essential activities, Business Insider reported. All shops except for essential businesses will be forced to close and schools will be closed to all children except for vulnerable populations and the children of essential workers, beginning Tuesday.

PROOF THE COVID DEATH-COUNT IS GETTING WORSE:
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1346137454470901763

To those who accuse without proof, who want to round-up, torture, and murder millions of innocents,
WE SHALL NEVER GIVE UP!
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET!
THE CONTROLLERS WILL BECOME THE CONTROLLED,
PATRIOTS EVERYWHERE!
FOR GOD & COUNTRY!
SKY FORTRESS IS ENGAGED!

[rawma]

Not mutually exclusive positions. California can be badly run (and it definitely is badly run) and also this can be what's about to happen and is already happening in other states which are better run (California STILL has a lower rate of death per 100,000 people from Covid-19 than a majority of states even with this shitty government). But, no matter how poorly run, California cannot "make" Covid-19 worse than the flu. Covid-19 is worse than the flu regardless of how poor or well a government is run. Because the flu has never, EVER done this to California. Our hospitals have never been overrun from the flu. Mass death on this scale has never happened here from the flu. But the government was just as shitty out here with the flu. So it's not the government which is the changed factor here that's made things so bad with the hospitals, it's Covid-19.

I have no opinion on how California is run, but some of its current difficulties are no doubt due to having more Trump voters than any other state. And Trump supporters seem determined to make the pandemic worse for purely political reasons.

[Kiero]

Are you speaking qualitatively or quantitatively? I just like to know what kind of monster I'm hunting.

Sorry, why would you think I could give a flying fuck what your opinion on the matter is?

[Abraxus]

If the rules say no gatherings and one decides to break the rules I have zero sympathy for what happens to those who break them especially in a pandemic. They knew the rules wanted to play Russian roulette and failed. What do you think that people who followed the rules were going to be happy with those breaking them. 

Not to mention the Gatineau video also left out how they lied to the two the cops first saying they were only two inside then eventually started hitting the cops then we see the
aftermath of what happened. It's interesting how many here complained about the Leftist bias in the media both before, during and after the 2020 US election. Yet somehow don't question the media when it pushes their narrative. So is the media biased or only biased when it suits you all.

https://montreal.citynews.ca/video/2021/01/02/travellers-eligible-for-1000-financial-aid/ Even better lets reward the Coronaidiots who decide to travel to other countries during a raging pandemic. Due to heavy public backlash the government is thinking of removing the aid. I hope it does because why would they stop when they can get 1000$ to stay home for 14 days when they broke the rules. Nor do I care about their financial hardship because they don't give a fuck about anyone else.

[HappyDaze]

Are you speaking qualitatively or quantitatively? I just like to know what kind of monster I'm hunting.

Sorry, why would you think I could give a flying fuck what your opinion on the matter is?

Glad to see we have a totally reciprocal relationship! It makes communicating so much easier when we both know there's absolutely no point to it. Now if everyone here could just be so honest.

[HappyDaze]

It's interesting how many here complained about the Leftist bias in the media both before, during and after the 2020 US election. Yet somehow don't question the media when it pushes their narrative. So is the media biased or only biased when it suits you all.

This is the way.

[Mistwell]

Except I didn't lie. And you have demonstrated you aren't worth any serious investment of time.

Dude, I figured that out weeks ago, and I didn't even spend that much time in this forum section till after the election. This guy makes interacting with HappyDaze and Mistwell seem enjoyable. I don't even hate them that much, specially when actually discussing RPGs.

You know, the last couple of breathless 'oh shit it's all terrible' posts from Misty have involved California.

Here's a thought. Maybe the problem there isn't Covid.

Maybe California is just very, very, badly run.

Exactly. I mean, that place is such as nasty dump it had a resurgence of Medieval era diseases, for crying out loud! Of course more people are dying of sickness there than anywhere else in the US!

I don't hate anyone here, though the guy who called me a Zionist Scum is pushing it. I've been here for over a decade, and I knew some of the folks here online (like SHARK) well before they were posting here. My love of RPGs and people who play them is far more important to me than any of this bullshit.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Mistwell, do you realize you have known me since Eric Noah was running EN World? That was before Morrus was even there. Was that 2000? Geesus. Where has the time gone?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Coincidentally Morrus posted just yesterday that ENworld turned 20 a couple weeks ago!