Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[HappyDaze]

No, dumbass, that's not how society works. Everyone in society has some levels of responsibility to others. A pandemic just makes some of them more prominent. It also makes the sociopaths that are just parasitically living off of the benefits of society without contributing--like yourself--more obvious.

No dumbass, I have no responsibility for you or anyone else.

As for contribution, I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, I actually fund the state. There my obligation ends.

You are also obligated to follow laws, fucktard.

[Mistwell]

Jaw-Dropping New CDC Figures Suggest True U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Approaching Half a Million


"CDC tracks the number of deaths reported in excess of the average number of expected deaths based on prior years, and the latest figures show that since the pandemic began, 431,792 more people than expected have died.

But those figures only measure excess deaths through the week ending December 19, when the official confirmed death toll was at 316,000. Since then, another 31,000 lost souls have been added to the official count. Excess deaths during the pandemic have hovered around twenty percent, meaning that in the past two weeks, it's likely that an additional 6,000 deaths have been undercounted — meaning the current number of excess deaths is likely around 470,000."



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My comments: Some of that excess deaths is from the lockdowns themselves. And some of that excess deaths is from Covid-19. We can argue about the exact percentages but all the evidence suggests the majority of that half a million excess deaths is from the virus. This is not "just like the flu." It spreads easier and faster than the flu, and kills more than the flu, and hospitalizes more than the flu, and requires the ICU more than the flu, and seems to have longer term negative effects on health than the flu.

[rawma]

This is a reply to the discussion we were having about

The Pat Pivot, as usual. 

Oh look, another personal attack.

If you really wanted to talk about the earlier discussion and personal attacks, you would notice this:

You're irrational and insane.

Purely in response to my observation that you and your right-wing talking points were wrong.

(I don't blame other people.)

Endlessly repeating your delusions doesn't make them reality.

Here's a piece of reality:

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

Which you blamed on your sources.

[Pat]

This is a reply to the discussion we were having about

The Pat Pivot, as usual. 

No, by bringing in something completely unrelated, you were the one who was trying to pivot. I just pointed out what you did.

Accusing people of things you just did is becoming a favorite tactic of yours.

Oh look, another personal attack.

If you really wanted to talk about the earlier discussion and personal attacks, you would notice this:

You're irrational and insane.

Purely in response to my observation that you and your right-wing talking points were wrong.

Oh look, another false pivot on your part. My comment that you were irrational and insane was a reference to stuff like "But I encourage you or Trump to sue Fox News over this."

You weren't "observing" that I was wrong. You were randomly assigning me a set of politics and making ridiculous suggestions. Which is a bugfuck insane response.

(I don't blame other people.)

Endlessly repeating your delusions doesn't make them reality.

Here's a piece of reality:

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

Which you blamed on your sources.

I took explicit responsibility for my error, which you've never done for any of the errors you made. I never even mentioned my sources until several posts later, when I brought it up to help you save face from one of your own errors, by pointing out that both our errors were because we relied on sources that made the same errors. Note that is in no way "blaming" anyone for a mistake. It's just explaining how it happened. I'll also point out that when you made an error, I corrected it, and you dropped it, I never harangued you over it. The only exception is your one/two bill error, which I brought up several times to highlight that that's exactly what you were doing. Feel free to keep on doing it, though. I don't mind. I'm not that insecure.

But are you a 4 year old? Because you're acting like one.

[VisionStorm]

No, dumbass, that's not how society works. Everyone in society has some levels of responsibility to others. A pandemic just makes some of them more prominent. It also makes the sociopaths that are just parasitically living off of the benefits of society without contributing--like yourself--more obvious.

No dumbass, I have no responsibility for you or anyone else.

As for contribution, I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, I actually fund the state. There my obligation ends.

You are also obligated to follow laws, fucktard.

There are no laws dictating that people have to wear masks or refrain from leaving their homes. And no, politicians making unconstitutional authoritarian decrees aren't "laws". People also don't have a legal, moral or ethical obligation of protecting others from natural disasters or so-called "acts of god" (such as pandemics), and the expectation that they somehow do is just insane.

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

[KingCheops]

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

That's all that the "Left" has got these days.  Most of their intelligent folks have either left or been suppressed due to the religious dogma that's arisen.

Absolutely shocking how far things have swung since the 80's/90's.

[HappyDaze]

No, dumbass, that's not how society works. Everyone in society has some levels of responsibility to others. A pandemic just makes some of them more prominent. It also makes the sociopaths that are just parasitically living off of the benefits of society without contributing--like yourself--more obvious.

No dumbass, I have no responsibility for you or anyone else.

As for contribution, I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, I actually fund the state. There my obligation ends.

You are also obligated to follow laws, fucktard.

There are no laws dictating that people have to wear masks or refrain from leaving their homes. And no, politicians making unconstitutional authoritarian decrees aren't "laws". People also don't have a legal, moral or ethical obligation of protecting others from natural disasters or so-called "acts of god" (such as pandemics), and the expectation that they somehow do is just insane.

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

There are many things that the government can legally do during times of emergency/crisis. While you may.consider them unconstitutional,  that doesn't make them so (even if they are authoritarian).

[HappyDaze]

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

That's all that the "Left" has got these days.  Most of their intelligent folks have either left or been suppressed due to the religious dogma that's arisen.

Absolutely shocking how far things have swung since the 80's/90's.

And what does the Right have? Collective delusions that their self-destructive behaviors are going to lead to a new golden (or orange) age after addition-by-subtraction strengthens & purifies them?

[EOTB]

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

That's all that the "Left" has got these days.  Most of their intelligent folks have either left or been suppressed due to the religious dogma that's arisen.

Absolutely shocking how far things have swung since the 80's/90's.

It really isn't though. 

There is a faction unto itself, which boils down to controlling others through pressure, usually combined with a lack of any self-control.

This faction must be in the cockpit of whatever is socially ascendant.  It maintains nodes in all ideologies, buying and selling the megaphones. 

If the cultural zeitgeist changes, the social conservatism that comes out of it will be the same as the version previously.  The people now preaching the deconstruction of all tradition would flock back to church, become elders, deacons, and reverends, preaching to hate the sinner and control the tempted for everyone's benefit.

Even now, the rhetoric of the opposition is sculpted to maximize the despising of the foot soldiers/pawns.

[Ghostmaker]

Someone pointed out that the justifications used to confine Covid sufferers could apply to other people as well.

People with AIDS, for example.

I wonder how some of you smooth-brained quarter-wits would've reacted if the Reagan Administration had decided to handle the AIDS outbreaks by requiring all people who tested HIV positive to be confined, regardless of their wishes.

But then, this isn't about sickness. This is about control.

Also, it seems California is counting every Covid patient as if they are 1.5 patients. For reasons, I guess.

[Shasarak]

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

That's all that the "Left" has got these days.  Most of their intelligent folks have either left or been suppressed due to the religious dogma that's arisen.

Absolutely shocking how far things have swung since the 80's/90's.

And what does the Right have? Collective delusions that their self-destructive behaviors are going to lead to a new golden (or orange) age after addition-by-subtraction strengthens & purifies them?

What do you care if some one lives on their feet rather then on their knees hiding in their basement?

[Mistwell]

No, dumbass, that's not how society works. Everyone in society has some levels of responsibility to others. A pandemic just makes some of them more prominent. It also makes the sociopaths that are just parasitically living off of the benefits of society without contributing--like yourself--more obvious.

No dumbass, I have no responsibility for you or anyone else.

As for contribution, I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, I actually fund the state. There my obligation ends.

You are also obligated to follow laws, fucktard.

There are no laws dictating that people have to wear masks or refrain from leaving their homes. And no, politicians making unconstitutional authoritarian decrees aren't "laws". People also don't have a legal, moral or ethical obligation of protecting others from natural disasters or so-called "acts of god" (such as pandemics), and the expectation that they somehow do is just insane.

But keep milking those false equivalencies. That's all you got. 

No, that's not how laws work. The Founders of the nation were all around during actual lockdowns and mass quarantines and did not feel in any way it violated the Constitution they wrote.

Every state has a legislature which has, at some point, authorized emergency authority in some body (often the Governor), and similarly many larger cities have had their representatives rest emergency authority in their mayors, to declare such things as lockdowns, mask wearing, distancing, sanitizing, etc..

This is absolutely Constitutional. You do not have the unfettered right to be free from wearing a mask in public in the Constitution and  it absolutely is within legal authority of the state to mandate the wearing of a mask in public for health and safety reasons.

[Mistwell]

The death panels have begun here in Los Angeles.

New LA County Directive about transporting cardiac arrest patients due to rationing of health services from Covid-19

But you know, it's just like the flu, right?

[consolcwby]

Someone pointed out that the justifications used to confine Covid sufferers could apply to other people as well.

People with AIDS, for example.

I wonder how some of you smooth-brained quarter-wits would've reacted if the Reagan Administration had decided to handle the AIDS outbreaks by requiring all people who tested HIV positive to be confined, regardless of their wishes.

But then, this isn't about sickness. This is about control.

Also, it seems California is counting every Covid patient as if they are 1.5 patients. For reasons, I guess.

It's called Common Core, and the same methodology was also used to count votes!
ZING!

[rawma]

This is a reply to the discussion we were having about

The Pat Pivot, as usual. 

Accusing people of things you just did is becoming a favorite tactic of yours.

And the Pat Pivot is followed closely by the Pat Projection!

I could never, ever match you on these things, Pat.

Oh look, another personal attack.

If you really wanted to talk about the earlier discussion and personal attacks, you would notice this:

You're irrational and insane.

Purely in response to my observation that you and your right-wing talking points were wrong.

Oh look, another false pivot on your part. My comment that you were irrational and insane was a reference to stuff like "But I encourage you or Trump to sue Fox News over this."

Ha, that was funny. Pity you lack a sense of humor or the maturity to laugh at your own pomposity.

You weren't "observing" that I was wrong. You were randomly assigning me a set of politics and making ridiculous suggestions. Which is a bugfuck insane response.

I observed that your talking points (casting doubt on Biden's clear victory, that the media are all deliberately lying because they don't agree with Pat's opinion that coincidentally mimics hordes of right-wingers) were right-wing fodder. You replied with personal attacks. If you think being called right-wing is a personal attack, then, as I've suggested before, stop posting right-wing talking points.

(I don't blame other people.)

Endlessly repeating your delusions doesn't make them reality.

Here's a piece of reality:

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

Which you blamed on your sources.

I took explicit responsibility for my error, which you've never done for any of the errors you made. I never even mentioned my sources until several posts later

No, you mentioned your sources in the very same post.

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong. I could link the sources I used, which said the same thing I said, but they're wrong too. Just like the sources you used that talk about the coronavirus package being a separate bill. They're both easy mistakes, and ones that have also been made by people who are supposed to be experts (as evidenced by our sources).

(I'll add, because you're apparently not able to follow more than the immediate post, that my post did not depend at all on whether the bill was one or two when I was correcting your error.)

But are you a 4 year old? Because you're acting like one.

Ending on the Pat Projection! LOL.