Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[HappyDaze]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!NEWS FLASH!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about the Benjamins baby...
---
More than 1,000 hospitals in high-impact areas will get a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance. The new payments will be $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, less than the  $77,000 in an earlier round. Hospitals with large Medicaid populations have until Aug. 3 to apply for a separate pool of funds. Hospitals that recently have submitted information on large COVID-19 caseloads could start to receive a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance this week.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced it would begin sending payments July 20 to more than 1,000 hospitals in "high-impact" areas of the pandemic, based on the case count data they submitted in recent weeks. That would add to the $10 billion HHS sent in May to hospitals that had more than 100 COVID-19 patients by April 10. Hospitals will qualify for payments based on whether admissions between Jan. 1 and June 10 meet one of the following criteria:
More than 161 COVID-19 admissions
At least one COVID-19 admission per day
Higher than the national average ratio of COVID-19 admissions per bed
Amount of assistance reduced

The new round will pay $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, compared with $77,000 in the earlier high-impact round. A senior HHS official said on a media call that the reduced funding is due to the number of such admissions surging from about 50,000 in the first round to more than 400,000 by the time of the second round. The first-round payments went to 325 hospitals. The new round of payments will be "net from their payments — what they had already received" will be subtracted from their allocated total, the official said.

from: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/07/the-new-round-will-pay--50-000-per-covid-19-admission--compared-.html

And NOW: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/12/appeals-court-rejects-hospitals--objections-to-new-price-transpa.html
things that make you go hmmm...
---
The 2021 agenda and its tie in with the 2030 agenda. Klaus, President of the World Economic Forum stated recently, " The MASSES" will own nothing. no house, no land, no car, nothing, not even the clothes on their backs. The masses will learn to grow and eat weeds and they will be happy." Part of these agendas is to heard the masses into cities, eliminate small towns and population control. This is coming. It will not matter if you are a Republican, Democrat, Independent or what ever you may be. This plan is already in every town and city in the U.S. WWG1WGA!
PS: i luv u all!

That helps to offset the costs of caring for COVID patients and the corresponding loss of income from canceled elective or delayed necessary-but-not-urgent procedures. A lot of that gets eaten by premium labor (like travel/contract RNs), and nothing directly helps the patients that want/need those necessary but delayed procedures.

[consolcwby]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!NEWS FLASH!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about the Benjamins baby...
---
More than 1,000 hospitals in high-impact areas will get a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance. The new payments will be $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, less than the  $77,000 in an earlier round. Hospitals with large Medicaid populations have until Aug. 3 to apply for a separate pool of funds. Hospitals that recently have submitted information on large COVID-19 caseloads could start to receive a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance this week.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced it would begin sending payments July 20 to more than 1,000 hospitals in "high-impact" areas of the pandemic, based on the case count data they submitted in recent weeks. That would add to the $10 billion HHS sent in May to hospitals that had more than 100 COVID-19 patients by April 10. Hospitals will qualify for payments based on whether admissions between Jan. 1 and June 10 meet one of the following criteria:
More than 161 COVID-19 admissions
At least one COVID-19 admission per day
Higher than the national average ratio of COVID-19 admissions per bed
Amount of assistance reduced

The new round will pay $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, compared with $77,000 in the earlier high-impact round. A senior HHS official said on a media call that the reduced funding is due to the number of such admissions surging from about 50,000 in the first round to more than 400,000 by the time of the second round. The first-round payments went to 325 hospitals. The new round of payments will be "net from their payments — what they had already received" will be subtracted from their allocated total, the official said.

from: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/07/the-new-round-will-pay--50-000-per-covid-19-admission--compared-.html

And NOW: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/12/appeals-court-rejects-hospitals--objections-to-new-price-transpa.html
things that make you go hmmm...
---
The 2021 agenda and its tie in with the 2030 agenda. Klaus, President of the World Economic Forum stated recently, " The MASSES" will own nothing. no house, no land, no car, nothing, not even the clothes on their backs. The masses will learn to grow and eat weeds and they will be happy." Part of these agendas is to heard the masses into cities, eliminate small towns and population control. This is coming. It will not matter if you are a Republican, Democrat, Independent or what ever you may be. This plan is already in every town and city in the U.S. WWG1WGA!
PS: i luv u all!

That helps to offset the costs of caring for COVID patients and the corresponding loss of income from canceled elective or delayed necessary-but-not-urgent procedures. A lot of that gets eaten by premium labor (like travel/contract RNs), and nothing directly helps the patients that want/need those necessary but delayed procedures.

I understand that. But please, understand this ~ isn't it a bit shady to receive public funds and then hide actual costs from said public? This is about WHERE the money goes not what it is needed for. If you think everything is on the up and up... well, at least WONDERLAND is nice this time of year, I hear....

[Mistwell]

There's a difference between looking out for others voluntarily and having the state demand that and determine the manner in which you will do so.

When Spinachcat tells others here he won't wear a face diaper because they are stupid, that is not a statement about state mandates, it's a statement that he wouldn't ever consider voluntarily wearing one to protect others. And when nobody say shit to him about it and just nods and accepts that's perfectly fine, that's you saying not to wear one voluntarily as well. Which isn't a conservative value. It's a selfish one. 

[Mistwell]

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

But it's just like the flu, right?

[Mistwell]

You know you're kind of funny when you get so bent out of shape that you can't even make an attempt at countering the statements I made with anything short of "you're lying"...I'm pretty sure an educated person like yourself should be able to throw up some links/pictures of the ambulances backed up for 7 hours and no hospitals within that range to run transfers to...I have some friends who are EMTs who are really interested since it doesn't seem to have made much national news.  They are trying to figure out how screwed up the system is out there and would appreciate any information.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/in-l-a-county-patients-in-ambulances-waiting-as-long-as-8-hours-before-entering-ers/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-29/l-a-county-hospitals-at-the-breaking-point-turn-away-ambulances

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-county-hospitals-reach-the-breaking-point-turn-away-ambulances/

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/southern-california-coronavirus/officials-suspend-911-ambulance-divergence-as-orange-county-hospitals-packed-to-the-brim-with-covid-19-patients/2487262/

https://laist.com/latest/post/20201220/ambulance-emergency-room-capacity-los-angeles-coronavirus

https://abc7.com/oc-hospitals-ambulances-covid-surge-vaccine-icu-coronavirus/8846599/

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/531943-packed-los-angeles-hospitals-placing-patients-in-gift-shops-report

https://abc7.com/coronavirus-in-la-county-cases-california-covid/9178752/

https://www.theeastsiderla.com/news/coronavirus_news/ambulances-wait-up-to-eight-hours-to-drop-off-patients-as-covid-19-overwhelms-l/article_ac7ca4e0-4bc3-11eb-82eb-7397eac4f9b6.html

[Pat]

Let's talk about 'safety codes' in light of this.

https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A00416&term=&Summary=Y&Text=Y

Take a good hard look.

Money shots:

Upon determining by clear and convincing evidence that the health of others is or may be endangered by a case, contact or carrier, or suspected case, contact or carrier of a contagious disease... the governor or his or her delegee, including, but not limited to the commissioner or the heads of local health departments, may order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons by issuing a single order.

Such person or group of persons shall be detained in a medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee...

A person or group removed or detained by order of the governor or his or her delegee pursuant to subdivision two of this section shall be detained for such period and in such manner as the department may direct in accordance with this section.

(emphasis added by me)

Due process? Fuck your due process. Get in the box.

This should be grounds to drag whatever-his-name-is Perry out of the NY capitol building and have him tarred and feathered.

Due process exists for any crimes they may be charged with. This is not about charging someone for a crime. Apples and hubcaps.

That's worse, you know. With a crime, you have to be charged and taken to court, where you have a chance to defend yourself before your rights are removed. You're arguing that if they just don't call it a crime, they can take away your rights without due process.

[Pat]

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

But it's just like the flu, right?

Interesting link. We've known for a while that covid-19 isn't just a respiratory disease, it's also a cardiovascular disease. And that myocarditis is a common side effect.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

But compare that 30% to a UK study that is larger, more rigorous, and has a more representative sample of the population (average age 44, for instance), and discovered only an 11% incidence:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.14.20212555v1
And an autopsy study found zero evidence of myocarditis:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914

So the frequency may be lower. But that may be related to the other question: Whether the effects were temporary or permanent. If you read down further in your own link, you'll see some promising signs -- the infant and the other 4 referenced in the JACC study recovered fully.

This all fits with a Swiss study, which found inflammatory changes in the heart in 78/100 patients (high), but 3 months later found zero evidence of heart problems.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.20min.ch/story/mit-blick-auf-die-vielen-symptomlos-infizierten-macht-mir-das-angst-338649943422
Evidence suggests there are heart issues while you have the disease, but it regenerates after. That does explain the report heart attacks and the like, and doesn't mean there will be no long term problems, but like the even earlier scares about lung function, it's probably overblown.

[HappyDaze]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!NEWS FLASH!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's all about the Benjamins baby...
---
More than 1,000 hospitals in high-impact areas will get a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance. The new payments will be $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, less than the  $77,000 in an earlier round. Hospitals with large Medicaid populations have until Aug. 3 to apply for a separate pool of funds. Hospitals that recently have submitted information on large COVID-19 caseloads could start to receive a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance this week.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced it would begin sending payments July 20 to more than 1,000 hospitals in "high-impact" areas of the pandemic, based on the case count data they submitted in recent weeks. That would add to the $10 billion HHS sent in May to hospitals that had more than 100 COVID-19 patients by April 10. Hospitals will qualify for payments based on whether admissions between Jan. 1 and June 10 meet one of the following criteria:
More than 161 COVID-19 admissions
At least one COVID-19 admission per day
Higher than the national average ratio of COVID-19 admissions per bed
Amount of assistance reduced

The new round will pay $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, compared with $77,000 in the earlier high-impact round. A senior HHS official said on a media call that the reduced funding is due to the number of such admissions surging from about 50,000 in the first round to more than 400,000 by the time of the second round. The first-round payments went to 325 hospitals. The new round of payments will be "net from their payments — what they had already received" will be subtracted from their allocated total, the official said.

from: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/07/the-new-round-will-pay--50-000-per-covid-19-admission--compared-.html

And NOW: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/12/appeals-court-rejects-hospitals--objections-to-new-price-transpa.html
things that make you go hmmm...
---
The 2021 agenda and its tie in with the 2030 agenda. Klaus, President of the World Economic Forum stated recently, " The MASSES" will own nothing. no house, no land, no car, nothing, not even the clothes on their backs. The masses will learn to grow and eat weeds and they will be happy." Part of these agendas is to heard the masses into cities, eliminate small towns and population control. This is coming. It will not matter if you are a Republican, Democrat, Independent or what ever you may be. This plan is already in every town and city in the U.S. WWG1WGA!
PS: i luv u all!

That helps to offset the costs of caring for COVID patients and the corresponding loss of income from canceled elective or delayed necessary-but-not-urgent procedures. A lot of that gets eaten by premium labor (like travel/contract RNs), and nothing directly helps the patients that want/need those necessary but delayed procedures.

I understand that. But please, understand this ~ isn't it a bit shady to receive public funds and then hide actual costs from said public? This is about WHERE the money goes not what it is needed for. If you think everything is on the up and up... well, at least WONDERLAND is nice this time of year, I hear....

How detailed do you expect those cost reports to the public to be? If they just broke it down into %-age by categories like payroll (perhaps with OT and premium labor %-ages laid out), supply chain, current staff retraining, new staff training, insurance (yes, some of those that had procedures cancelled or delayed may sue), etc. would that satisfy you, or do you expect every cent to be documented for the public? I think it might be nice to see general %-ages by category (and I have for one organization), but that's typically only released internally. If you don't like that, well, that's the way healthcare works in the USA.

[HappyDaze]

Let's talk about 'safety codes' in light of this.

https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A00416&term=&Summary=Y&Text=Y

Take a good hard look.

Money shots:

Upon determining by clear and convincing evidence that the health of others is or may be endangered by a case, contact or carrier, or suspected case, contact or carrier of a contagious disease... the governor or his or her delegee, including, but not limited to the commissioner or the heads of local health departments, may order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons by issuing a single order.

Such person or group of persons shall be detained in a medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee...

A person or group removed or detained by order of the governor or his or her delegee pursuant to subdivision two of this section shall be detained for such period and in such manner as the department may direct in accordance with this section.

(emphasis added by me)

Due process? Fuck your due process. Get in the box.

This should be grounds to drag whatever-his-name-is Perry out of the NY capitol building and have him tarred and feathered.

Due process exists for any crimes they may be charged with. This is not about charging someone for a crime. Apples and hubcaps.

That's worse, you know. With a crime, you have to be charged and taken to court, where you have a chance to defend yourself before your rights are removed. You're arguing that if they just don't call it a crime, they can take away your rights without due process.

There is a process, and it is subject to review. And, as with anything, if the people feel strongly enough, there are legal ways to challenge it and get it changed.

[Mistwell]

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

But it's just like the flu, right?

Interesting link. We've known for a while that covid-19 isn't just a respiratory disease, it's also a cardiovascular disease. And that myocarditis is a common side effect.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

But compare that 30% to a UK study that is larger, more rigorous, and has a more representative sample of the population (average age 44, for instance), and discovered only an 11% incidence:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.14.20212555v1
And an autopsy study found zero evidence of myocarditis:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914

So the frequency may be lower. But that may be related to the other question: Whether the effects were temporary or permanent. If you read down further in your own link, you'll see some promising signs -- the infant and the other 4 referenced in the JACC study recovered fully.

This all fits with a Swiss study, which found inflammatory changes in the heart in 78/100 patients (high), but 3 months later found zero evidence of heart problems.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.20min.ch/story/mit-blick-auf-die-vielen-symptomlos-infizierten-macht-mir-das-angst-338649943422
Evidence suggests there are heart issues while you have the disease, but it regenerates after. That does explain the report heart attacks and the like, and doesn't mean there will be no long term problems, but like the even earlier scares about lung function, it's probably overblown.

Thanks for that. Interesting stuff. Happy to hear something hopeful about less chance of long term effects.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Hmmm. I'm not even sure anymore what HappyDaze and Mistwell are arguing. It is crystal clear that "Lockdowns" and closing businesses doesn't work. Oh, and Costco, Walmart, and Target can all be open, as well as casinos, sports stadiums for multi-billion dollar professional sports teams, sex shops, and gay bars and gay bathhouses...but hair salons, bars, restaurants--and churches--and many more establishments must be closed down. That is bullshit. "But the China virus will spread!" Yeah? And? That doesn't seem to be a concern for the mayor of Austin, Texas, Governor Newsome of California, Congresswoman Nancy Polosi, and many other political elites, government bureaucrats, as well as executives of medical corporations--all of which have attende private parties, cozy, special restaurants--without social distancing or wearing masks--not to mention the approval of *thousands* of BLM and ANTIFA thugs rioting en masse in cities all over the country. So, let the fucking China Virus spread. So what? We already know 99% or more of the population is not in danger of dying from the fucking virus. The whole profile of this virus is a danger to primarily the old and sick--which is concerning, and tragic, to be certain--but none of that in any way justifies the economic shutdown and crippling of our economy--and the devastation of millions of peoples lives and families. And fuck the "Government Stimulus Checks". Those things are a pittance, and aren't going to save anyone from being homeless. How about the devastation of businesses that people have devoted their life savings to, and worked and built for *years*--none of those people matter, right? Their employees that depend on their jobs so they can buy food, pay bills, and keep a roof over their heads--they can just get fucked, right? How about the families and children of the small business owners? I guess their fucked too, and can hope they can survive on fucking welfare, is that right?

Getting the virus is a possibility. The government mandating that so many small businesses be closed is absolutely ruining people's lives, many of which will never recover. Millions of Americans are being financially ruined, and doomed to crushing poverty--not to mention illness, divorce, addictions, and death as well. THAT is a certainty.

All of this trauma, poverty, misery, and destruction, all for what? For mindless hysteria, driven by the media, smug and condescending, wanna-be tyrant government officials--and immensely profitable to the giant corporations like Amazon, Walmart, Costco, oh, and of course, a variety of medical corporations. Wear a fucking mask if you want to--social distance, wrap yourself in bubble wrap and a fucking cacoon if you want--but the rest of society needs to get on with working and living. This whole hysteria and the social control by the government bureaucrats and the snot-nosed KARENS of society, sobbing and wiping their noses in shrill panic, and the ever-tightening grip of the government crushing people's rights and freedoms is fucking bullshit and simply must stop. The fat, smug fucking people fortunate enough to be in a cushy job where they still get to collect a fucking paycheck don't get to tell everyone else what to do.

The good thing is, more and more people are rising up, everywhere, and resisting, and saying too fucking bad. No masks, no lockdowns, no tyranny. You don't like it, get fucked. The smug fucking government, the smug fucking "healthcare elites"--the smug fucking business elites sitting at home in their fucking pajamas while they all collect a paycheck--everyone I starting to tell them all to go get fucked. Look around at the open rallies, and the defiant people in huge crowds, from California to New York, and everywhere in between. The businesses, the restaurants, the hair salons, the other various businesses, more and more are screaming they are opening up, they aren't shutting the fuck down and they aren't going to shut the fuck up, either.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Shasarak]

Greetings!

Hmmm. I'm not even sure anymore what HappyDaze and Mistwell are arguing. It is crystal clear that "Lockdowns" and closing businesses doesn't work. Oh, and Costco, Walmart, and Target can all be open, as well as casinos, sports stadiums for multi-billion dollar professional sports teams, sex shops, and gay bars and gay bathhouses...but hair salons, bars, restaurants--and churches--and many more establishments must be closed down. That is bullshit. "But the China virus will spread!" Yeah? And? That doesn't seem to be a concern for the mayor of Austin, Texas, Governor Newsome of California, Congresswoman Nancy Polosi, and many other political elites, government bureaucrats, as well as executives of medical corporations--all of which have attende private parties, cozy, special restaurants--without social distancing or wearing masks--not to mention the approval of *thousands* of BLM and ANTIFA thugs rioting en masse in cities all over the country. So, let the fucking China Virus spread. So what? We already know 99% or more of the population is not in danger of dying from the fucking virus. The whole profile of this virus is a danger to primarily the old and sick--which is concerning, and tragic, to be certain--but none of that in any way justifies the economic shutdown and crippling of our economy--and the devastation of millions of peoples lives and families. And fuck the "Government Stimulus Checks". Those things are a pittance, and aren't going to save anyone from being homeless. How about the devastation of businesses that people have devoted their life savings to, and worked and built for *years*--none of those people matter, right? Their employees that depend on their jobs so they can buy food, pay bills, and keep a roof over their heads--they can just get fucked, right? How about the families and children of the small business owners? I guess their fucked too, and can hope they can survive on fucking welfare, is that right?

How dare you talk about people surviving on welfare when they should be spending their check on elective surgery!

Dont you have a heart?

[Kiero]

I quite agree that looking at yourself is a good start. I was encouraging you to take the next step rather than putting your head in the sand and ignoring others.

Fuck off, I have no responsibility whatsoever for other adults. They are responsible for themselves. My responsibility is to my children and my family.

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

But it's just like the flu, right?

Flu can do exactly the same thing, if the virus gets into the heart muscle. That's not new. Influenza myocarditis occurs in about 10% of cases.

So-called "long covid" is nothing more than already known post-viral fatigue syndrome. Which occurs with flu, pneumonia and other viral infections. There is nothing novel or new about covid.

[HappyDaze]

I quite agree that looking at yourself is a good start. I was encouraging you to take the next step rather than putting your head in the sand and ignoring others.

Fuck off, I have no responsibility whatsoever for other adults. They are responsible for themselves. My responsibility is to my children and my family.

No, dumbass, that's not how society works. Everyone in society has some levels of responsibility to others. A pandemic just makes some of them more prominent. It also makes the sociopaths that are just parasitically living off of the benefits of society without contributing--like yourself--more obvious.

[Kiero]

No, dumbass, that's not how society works. Everyone in society has some levels of responsibility to others. A pandemic just makes some of them more prominent. It also makes the sociopaths that are just parasitically living off of the benefits of society without contributing--like yourself--more obvious.

No dumbass, I have no responsibility for you or anyone else.

As for contribution, I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, I actually fund the state. There my obligation ends.