Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Mistwell]

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

No, you start by taking responsibility for yourself. Then your family. Then your community.

But if you let your health go to shit, you can't do any of those things properly.

Ah, but to leftists, it's inverted. You MUST care for other people above even your own needs.

The minor inconvenience of a mask is in fact more important than the major inconvenience of people dying before their time, yeah. This is not "leftism" it's simply "being a decent human being and not a piece of utter psychotic trash".

[Mistwell]

I find it sad that on a ROLE PLAYING GAME forum that y'all think co-morbitities is something only old people at the end of their lives already might have. Hello, we're gamers. Many of us have co-morbitities of some kind. And by "us" I don't mean the population of this message board I mean the general population of RPG players as a whole. We tend to be overweight. We tend to have a higher incidence of high blood pressure, diabetes, and related conditions. This attitude that somehow it's OK if people die with those because "co-morbitites so it's natural" is obvious bullshit which I think none of you actually believe when it comes to the people you know in your lives. It's just more Internet fake badassery.

I'm over 40, I don't have any. Because I actually look after my health and fitness (I'm fitter now than I was a decade ago).

LOL my high blood pressure is inherited. I am in good shape otherwise. It's just the way I was born. Which is how it is for a lot of people. Diabetes is also inherited for some. None of this is leftism. Indeed, it' USED TO BE the right cared about community more than the left, and looking after the weak in society used to be a right wing value. WTF is this self-centered bullshit? It sure isn't conservatism.

[Ghostmaker]

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

No, you start by taking responsibility for yourself. Then your family. Then your community.

But if you let your health go to shit, you can't do any of those things properly.

Ah, but to leftists, it's inverted. You MUST care for other people above even your own needs.

The minor inconvenience of a mask is in fact more important than the major inconvenience of people dying before their time, yeah. This is not "leftism" it's simply "being a decent human being and not a piece of utter psychotic trash".

You know so little that if you had any self awareness you'd be embarrassed.

But it's funny watching a low life grifter like you pretend to be interested in others' welfare.

[HappyDaze]

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

No, you start by taking responsibility for yourself. Then your family. Then your community.

But if you let your health go to shit, you can't do any of those things properly.

I quite agree that looking at yourself is a good start. I was encouraging you to take the next step rather than putting your head in the sand and ignoring others.

[Ratman_tf]

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

No, you start by taking responsibility for yourself. Then your family. Then your community.

But if you let your health go to shit, you can't do any of those things properly.

Ah, but to leftists, it's inverted. You MUST care for other people above even your own needs.

The minor inconvenience of a mask is in fact more important than the major inconvenience of people dying before their time, yeah. This is not "leftism" it's simply "being a decent human being and not a piece of utter psychotic trash".

Leftisim is using the wedge of caring for others in order to seize power. It starts with a minor inconvenience, or a minor concession, and then society dogpiles on a young woman for saying the n-word five years ago.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/white-teen-kicked-out-of-college-after-n-word-video-resurfaces/

We can only hope that the lesson of the 21st century is how compassion can be weaponized.

[Mistwell]

Speech codes are not related to safety codes. Conservatives, as a generalization, do support safety codes. The best gun safety courses tend to be taught by conservatives, for example. The idea that looking after the safety of others is somehow a leftist ideal is an excuse for you to be a lazy shit. Utah, one of the most conservative states, is also full of people looking after others as an ideal. It has nothing to do with shit like speech codes. It just has to do with loving your community and being a mature adult.

[Joey2k]

There's a difference between looking out for others voluntarily and having the state demand that and determine the manner in which you will do so.

[Ghostmaker]

Let's talk about 'safety codes' in light of this.

https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A00416&term=&Summary=Y&Text=Y

Take a good hard look.

Money shots:

Upon determining by clear and convincing evidence that the health of others is or may be endangered by a case, contact or carrier, or suspected case, contact or carrier of a contagious disease... the governor or his or her delegee, including, but not limited to the commissioner or the heads of local health departments, may order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons by issuing a single order.

Such person or group of persons shall be detained in a medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee...

A person or group removed or detained by order of the governor or his or her delegee pursuant to subdivision two of this section shall be detained for such period and in such manner as the department may direct in accordance with this section.

(emphasis added by me)

Due process? Fuck your due process. Get in the box.

This should be grounds to drag whatever-his-name-is Perry out of the NY capitol building and have him tarred and feathered.

[HappyDaze]

There's a difference between looking out for others voluntarily and having the state demand that and determine the manner in which you will do so.

Do you oppose mandatory gun safety classes?

[HappyDaze]

Let's talk about 'safety codes' in light of this.

https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A00416&term=&Summary=Y&Text=Y

Take a good hard look.

Money shots:

Upon determining by clear and convincing evidence that the health of others is or may be endangered by a case, contact or carrier, or suspected case, contact or carrier of a contagious disease... the governor or his or her delegee, including, but not limited to the commissioner or the heads of local health departments, may order the removal and/or detention of such a person or of a group of such persons by issuing a single order.

Such person or group of persons shall be detained in a medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee...

A person or group removed or detained by order of the governor or his or her delegee pursuant to subdivision two of this section shall be detained for such period and in such manner as the department may direct in accordance with this section.

(emphasis added by me)

Due process? Fuck your due process. Get in the box.

This should be grounds to drag whatever-his-name-is Perry out of the NY capitol building and have him tarred and feathered.

Due process exists for any crimes they may be charged with. This is not about charging someone for a crime. Apples and hubcaps.

[Joey2k]

There's a difference between looking out for others voluntarily and having the state demand that and determine the manner in which you will do so.

Do you oppose mandatory gun safety classes?

In order to own a gun? Absolutely I do

[Ratman_tf]

Speech codes are not related to safety codes. Conservatives, as a generalization, do support safety codes. The best gun safety courses tend to be taught by conservatives, for example. The idea that looking after the safety of others is somehow a leftist ideal is an excuse for you to be a lazy shit. Utah, one of the most conservative states, is also full of people looking after others as an ideal. It has nothing to do with shit like speech codes. It just has to do with loving your community and being a mature adult.

I support safety codes, in general. But they have to make sense. I do not support blanket mask mandates for a virus that we were told everyone would eventually get, and we should slow the spread so medical facilities could be prepared.

That shit got swept under the rug right quick. Now it's perpetual lockdowns and everyone wear masks or we're all gonna die!

[moonsweeper]

From our local channel 7 news today:

Cathy Chidester, director of the county Emergency Medical Services agency...said there are reports of hospitals being so overwhelmed that ambulances are waiting seven or eight hours in emergency bays, forcing patients to be treated in the ambulance. But more importantly, the delay is keeping the ambulances out of service, leaving them unable to respond to additional emergency medical calls, she said. The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said that 86% of people who died from COVID in 2020 had underlying conditions. This figure is down from more than 90% in the early days of the pandemic. "This indicates, that in fact, that more people than ever are not only passing away, but passing away without any underlying health conditions," Ferrer said.

So the ambulances and EMTs are waiting in a bay for 7 to 8 hours insteading of going to a different hospital...I know the traffic in LA is bad, but damn.

As for the second quote, the statistical data has been garbage since this began and they were counting deaths 'with Covid present' as deaths 'from Covid'.

You live in a fact free world. Anything which runs contrary to your belief about how the world works you dismiss. Which is going to be really fucking shitty if it ever hits your family members and you find you're not able to get treated at the hospital because of what you thought was fiction. This shit is real. Whatever minor spin you can toss on the edges of the information doesn't change the basic premise - the hospitals are in fact filling up, and it is in fact killing more people over time who had no underlying conditions. It's not lining up in the nice safe way you thought it would anymore and cannot be simply dismissed as "like the flu" anymore. Not if you're being honest.

You know you're kind of funny when you get so bent out of shape that you can't even make an attempt at countering the statements I made with anything short of "you're lying"...I'm pretty sure an educated person like yourself should be able to throw up some links/pictures of the ambulances backed up for 7 hours and no hospitals within that range to run transfers to...I have some friends who are EMTs who are really interested since it doesn't seem to have made much national news.  They are trying to figure out how screwed up the system is out there and would appreciate any information.

I find it sad that on a ROLE PLAYING GAME forum that y'all think co-morbitities is something only old people at the end of their lives already might have. Hello, we're gamers. Many of us have co-morbitities of some kind. And by "us" I don't mean the population of this message board I mean the general population of RPG players as a whole. We tend to be overweight. We tend to have a higher incidence of high blood pressure, diabetes, and related conditions. This attitude that somehow it's OK if people die with those because "co-morbitites so it's natural" is obvious bullshit which I think none of you actually believe when it comes to the people you know in your lives. It's just more Internet fake badassery.

I'm over 40, I don't have any. Because I actually look after my health and fitness (I'm fitter now than I was a decade ago).

LOL my high blood pressure is inherited. I am in good shape otherwise. It's just the way I was born. Which is how it is for a lot of people. Diabetes is also inherited for some. None of this is leftism. Indeed, it' USED TO BE the right cared about community more than the left, and looking after the weak in society used to be a right wing value. WTF is this self-centered bullshit? It sure isn't conservatism.

I'm diabetic...BFD.  Where was all the hand-wringing while the riots were going on?

Speech codes are not related to safety codes. Conservatives, as a generalization, do support safety codes. The best gun safety courses tend to be taught by conservatives, for example. The idea that looking after the safety of others is somehow a leftist ideal is an excuse for you to be a lazy shit. Utah, one of the most conservative states, is also full of people looking after others as an ideal. It has nothing to do with shit like speech codes. It just has to do with loving your community and being a mature adult.

Since leftists seem to believe "speech is violence" then I would say that they equate the two.  As for conservatives, I don't know...but I seem to remember them suppressing books, music, and movies because they were dangerous.  But then what do I know, apparently my anti-authoritarian views put my in the 'far-right' now.  When I was growing up I was considered leftist because of them.

As for 'conservatives' like you...why have you never bothered to counter my arguments about the way China is treating its religious minorities.  Is it ok, because it is better for you financially to have slave labor providing products or is it ok because they aren't part of whatever you consider your 'community'.  Kind of like endless conflict in the ME is ok among the neocons because they are just some 'brown' people on the other side of the world from here...

Before you respond to me, little boy, do yourself a favor.  Do a little bit of soul-searching and ask yourself something.  How would the relatives you reference in this post:

No Evidence Of FRAUD, say those who want to create a new AUSCHWITZ IN AMERICA!

Nope nope nope. Line crossed. You do not get to use the history of my families pain and death in your stupid political ranting bullshit. I mean you have the free speech right but you don't have the right to be consequence free from that fucking bullshit antic.

No, there are no concentration camps. No, nothing going on in America is comparable to Auschwitz, and nothing anyone wants to "create" is either. Yes, you're a complete fucking creepy asshole for claiming there is or plans to be. No, there is no defense other than 'I am sorry you're right I went to far on that one' for that comment.

feel about the way your great business ally, China, is treating the Uighurs?

[moonsweeper]

There's a difference between looking out for others voluntarily and having the state demand that and determine the manner in which you will do so.

Do you oppose mandatory gun safety classes?

It isn't a required part of health and safety education in school??? It was when I grew up.

I agree with Joey2K on this.  Not mandatory for purchasing, owning a firearm is a right as a human being.

But then I am one of those wackos that think felons should be able to have their firearms back once they are out of jail.  Why would you continue to deny them their rights once they have completed their debt to society???

[consolcwby]

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More than 1,000 hospitals in high-impact areas will get a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance. The new payments will be $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, less than the  $77,000 in an earlier round. Hospitals with large Medicaid populations have until Aug. 3 to apply for a separate pool of funds. Hospitals that recently have submitted information on large COVID-19 caseloads could start to receive a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance this week.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced it would begin sending payments July 20 to more than 1,000 hospitals in "high-impact" areas of the pandemic, based on the case count data they submitted in recent weeks. That would add to the $10 billion HHS sent in May to hospitals that had more than 100 COVID-19 patients by April 10. Hospitals will qualify for payments based on whether admissions between Jan. 1 and June 10 meet one of the following criteria:
More than 161 COVID-19 admissions
At least one COVID-19 admission per day
Higher than the national average ratio of COVID-19 admissions per bed
Amount of assistance reduced

The new round will pay $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, compared with $77,000 in the earlier high-impact round. A senior HHS official said on a media call that the reduced funding is due to the number of such admissions surging from about 50,000 in the first round to more than 400,000 by the time of the second round. The first-round payments went to 325 hospitals. The new round of payments will be "net from their payments — what they had already received" will be subtracted from their allocated total, the official said.

from: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/07/the-new-round-will-pay--50-000-per-covid-19-admission--compared-.html

And NOW: https://www.hfma.org/topics/news/2020/12/appeals-court-rejects-hospitals--objections-to-new-price-transpa.html
things that make you go hmmm...
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The 2021 agenda and its tie in with the 2030 agenda. Klaus, President of the World Economic Forum stated recently, " The MASSES" will own nothing. no house, no land, no car, nothing, not even the clothes on their backs. The masses will learn to grow and eat weeds and they will be happy." Part of these agendas is to heard the masses into cities, eliminate small towns and population control. This is coming. It will not matter if you are a Republican, Democrat, Independent or what ever you may be. This plan is already in every town and city in the U.S. WWG1WGA!
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