Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Ghostmaker]

Exactly how is surgery used to treat a viral respiratory infection?

[jhkim]

Exactly how is surgery used to treat a viral respiratory infection?

He was in surgery for a blood clot, which are apparently common with severe cases of covid-19. Here's an article on the causes for it:

https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/new-cause-of-covid-19-blood-clots-identified

[Mistwell]

Exactly how is surgery used to treat a viral respiratory infection?

The virus can cause organ failure. Surgery can, sometimes, relieve or address organ failure. The virus can also cause blood clots, which can be removed or addressed using surgery.

This is, by the way, why the naval medical ships can be helpful. They can do those kinds of surgeries.

[consolcwby]

Exactly how is surgery used to treat a viral respiratory infection?

Well, before the infection can spread and get worse, you can always KILL the patient!
However, supposed complications may require surgery, but the above sentence is more "ME", I think.
Also,

Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.
BECAUSE HE'S STILL ALIVE!

Beat THAT one, Alex Jones! 

[rawma]

Federal law on this exists and is a fairly specific authority. "Pat's opinion" is too weak an authority for anything but the corner bar.

Fortunately, I'm not relying on an opinion. I made an argument, which should be judged based on its merits, not your opinion on whether someone else has an opinion.

You have nothing but your opinion.

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

Except being wrong.

[HappyDaze]

You didn't read what I posted. There are very real backups r/t the increased patient load as I mentioned. Mistwell is saying he's seen a situation where non-treatment areas are being converted to patient-care areas. That's not normal and is a sign of severe overload.

I also never claimed to be a Dr. (MD or otherwise), but I am professionally familiar with healthcare administration and patient care processes relevant to these issues.

If you had experience then some of your predictions would actually happen.

While I'm pretty sure youre just talking shit, whiich "predictions" have I made that you question? Please, be specific.

[consolcwby]

You didn't read what I posted. There are very real backups r/t the increased patient load as I mentioned. Mistwell is saying he's seen a situation where non-treatment areas are being converted to patient-care areas. That's not normal and is a sign of severe overload.

I also never claimed to be a Dr. (MD or otherwise), but I am professionally familiar with healthcare administration and patient care processes relevant to these issues.

If you had experience then some of your predictions would actually happen.

While I'm pretty sure youre just talking shit, whiich "predictions" have I made that you question? Please, be specific.

That Pathfinder 2e was going to be awesome?...
Oh, wait. You weren't talking to me, were you?
nevermind.   

[Pat]

Federal law on this exists and is a fairly specific authority. "Pat's opinion" is too weak an authority for anything but the corner bar.

Fortunately, I'm not relying on an opinion. I made an argument, which should be judged based on its merits, not your opinion on whether someone else has an opinion.

You have nothing but your opinion.

I've made arguments, while you've degenerated to nothing but personal attacks.

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

Except being wrong.

Yes, which was supported by numerous news articles that also got it wrong. The same as your mistake about whether it was one or two bills. Would you like to go over all the other times you've been wrong? We could start with the easy ones, where you were telling me what I think.

[moonsweeper]

Don't forget...

The 'new' strain from the UK showed up in Colorado in someone who hadn't traveled abroad.
Herr Fauci recommends the lockdowns should continue until morale improves.

[rawma]

I've made arguments, while you've degenerated to nothing but personal attacks.

Wrong again; I made an argument which you accepted:

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

But now you want to blame other people.

[Mistwell]

From our local channel 7 news today:

Cathy Chidester, director of the county Emergency Medical Services agency...said there are reports of hospitals being so overwhelmed that ambulances are waiting seven or eight hours in emergency bays, forcing patients to be treated in the ambulance. But more importantly, the delay is keeping the ambulances out of service, leaving them unable to respond to additional emergency medical calls, she said. The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said that 86% of people who died from COVID in 2020 had underlying conditions. This figure is down from more than 90% in the early days of the pandemic. "This indicates, that in fact, that more people than ever are not only passing away, but passing away without any underlying health conditions," Ferrer said.

[Ratman_tf]

From our local channel 7 news today:

Cathy Chidester, director of the county Emergency Medical Services agency...said there are reports of hospitals being so overwhelmed that ambulances are waiting seven or eight hours in emergency bays, forcing patients to be treated in the ambulance. But more importantly, the delay is keeping the ambulances out of service, leaving them unable to respond to additional emergency medical calls, she said. The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said that 86% of people who died from COVID in 2020 had underlying conditions. This figure is down from more than 90% in the early days of the pandemic. "This indicates, that in fact, that more people than ever are not only passing away, but passing away without any underlying health conditions," Ferrer said.

We gave them six months to prepare. Maybe they should have been getting ready instead of making dance videos for TikTok.

[Pat]

I've made arguments, while you've degenerated to nothing but personal attacks.

Wrong again; I made an argument which you accepted:

The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong.

This is a reply to the discussion we were having about whether Biden was the president-elect. Where you had degenerated into personal attacks. Is bringing up something completely unrelated the only response you have?

I guess so.

But now you want to blame other people.

Oh look, another personal attack.

(I don't blame other people.)

[HappyDaze]

The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

This also compounds the issue by having patients self-redirect themselves to the ED for things that really don't need that kind of treatment. Even if their problem is relatively minor, it still takes time to work them through the system, and the ED gets backed-up even further.

[HappyDaze]

We gave them six months to prepare. Maybe they should have been getting ready instead of making dance videos for TikTok.

What steps would you have suggested?