Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Garry G]

New Zealand has pretty good socialised healthcare, I might have lost my sons and wife without it, but without a government that locked the country down and protected it there could have been a lot of deaths. Here in the UK we have pretty good socialised healthcare that due to cuts is normally barely able to get through winter. The US does not have decent healthcare for all.

You sound like you know what you are talking about.

Nah, I'm just making it up as I go along.

Oh, you are the "Otahuhu is a hellhole" guy.  Enough said.

The "New Zealand is a socialist hellhole" guy thank you very much. Try and get something right.

[Catulle]

New Zealand has pretty good socialised healthcare, I might have lost my sons and wife without it, but without a government that locked the country down and protected it there could have been a lot of deaths. Here in the UK we have pretty good socialised healthcare that due to cuts is normally barely able to get through winter. The US does not have decent healthcare for all.

You sound like you know what you are talking about.

Nah, I'm just making it up as I go along.

Oh, you are the "Otahuhu is a hellhole" guy.  Enough said.

The "New Zealand is a socialist hellhole" guy thank you very much. Try and get something right.

Hey, chap, at least it's a step up from the Qanon guy and the three... (four?) *outright* white supremacists running around here unchecked. (Yes, yes, very funny, hu-white fuckoffnow).

[consolcwby]

Do MASK MANDATES WORK?
According to this, apparently not: https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1340725086278434821
Unless murdering innocent people is the goal?
Dunno what to think!

Also, all that money for PPP? Yep! It can be used to fix the DAMAGE CAUSED BY RIOTERS!
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/ppp-loans-can-now-be-used-fix-riot-damagem-pay-defense-against-looters
Huh. Interesting info, at least to me...

[Catulle]

*transparent shilling*

*fap* *fap* *fap*

Is that the right degree of discourse?

[SHARK]

New Zealand has pretty good socialised healthcare, I might have lost my sons and wife without it, but without a government that locked the country down and protected it there could have been a lot of deaths. Here in the UK we have pretty good socialised healthcare that due to cuts is normally barely able to get through winter. The US does not have decent healthcare for all.

You sound like you know what you are talking about.

Nah, I'm just making it up as I go along.

Oh, you are the "Otahuhu is a hellhole" guy.  Enough said.

The "New Zealand is a socialist hellhole" guy thank you very much. Try and get something right.

Hey, chap, at least it's a step up from the Qanon guy and the three... (four?) *outright* white supremacists running around here unchecked. (Yes, yes, very funny, hu-white fuckoffnow).

Greetings!

Oh, geesus. The dreaded, "Hu White Supremes" now! *Laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Pat]

Just a reminder.

$900 billion stimulus bill
/ 150 million taxpayers
= $6,000

That's how much your $600 stimulus costs you. (At least a 1:10 return is a better deal than the CARES Act was.)

[Catulle]

So sales tax isn't a tax... because..?

[moonsweeper]

So sales tax isn't a tax... because..?

local/state taxes

Just a reminder.

$900 billion stimulus bill
/ 150 million taxpayers
= $6,000

That's how much your $600 stimulus costs you. (At least a 1:10 return is a better deal than the CARES Act was.)

federal taxes and stimulus bill



To quote Capt. Braddock from Blue Thunder...

"You're supposed to be stupid, son. Don't abuse the privilege."

[Spinachcat]

Is that the right degree of discourse?

Apparently, it's all you're capable of achieving.

But keep trying.

[Spinachcat]

Do MASK MANDATES WORK?

Of course not...unless your goal was to break the will of a nation.

Then in that case, the mandates worked quite well.

There's certainly no such thing as the "land of the free / home of the brave" anymore.

[Spinachcat]

Hey, chap, at least it's a step up from the Qanon guy and the three... (four?) *outright* white supremacists running around here unchecked. (Yes, yes, very funny, hu-white fuckoffnow).

Oh noes! The hu-white supremacists are running around unchecked!

"Unchecked"...wow. What a nice word for "censored".

Sorry kiddo, no censoring on theRPGsite. It's a free speech forum.

[Spinachcat]

New Zealand has pretty good socialised healthcare, I might have lost my sons and wife without it, but without a government that locked the country down and protected it there could have been a lot of deaths. Here in the UK we have pretty good socialised healthcare that due to cuts is normally barely able to get through winter. The US does not have decent healthcare for all.

We actually have decent healthcare for all. You've just heard too much media whining.

We'd have sci-fi level amazing healthcare for all if we let other nations fend for themselves. If NZ had to shoulder the burden of its own defense, then we'll see what kind of healthcare you'd get.

Considering the uselessness of America's "allies" and all the asshole noise we have to hear from their citizens, I'd FAR rather we keep the money at home and let you people get a crash course in Chinese.

[shuddemell]

Something interesting beginning on the legal end of the COVID panic...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated?fbclid=IwAR0U9C2VLyHncgdGhPa0ozOEi2-t8B_y4ZsmT3JtTRqdUoOj4fjAfnvcrtc

The directives MN doctors receieved, according to this article, pretty much shows exactly how the system was being exploited for political reasons. Doctors that did this should lose their licenses.

[rawma]

Do MASK MANDATES WORK?
According to this, apparently not: https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1340725086278434821
Unless murdering innocent people is the goal?
Dunno what to think!

You might notice that mask mandates are only put in place when there are a lot of cases, and sometimes not even then. So it stands to reason that there would be more coronavirus cases where there are mask mandates, because there were already more cases which led to the mask mandate.

Kansas, as it once did with tax policy, provided a natural experiment to test mask effectiveness, and a CDC study found that counties with mask mandates did better. The article links to the CDC study.

Just a reminder.

$900 billion stimulus bill
/ 150 million taxpayers
= $6,000

That's how much your $600 stimulus costs you. (At least a 1:10 return is a better deal than the CARES Act was.)

It's a typical dishonest ploy for Republicans to pass tax cuts for rich people, driving up the national debt and then attribute that debt equally to every American. I don't see any problem with the benefit of coronavirus relief going to those who were more negatively affected, and those who were not paying for it; that's how society should work. The push for stimulus checks to everyone instead of increased unemployment benefits for people who are mostly out of work through no fault of their own is a bad thing, but it's probably all that the politics allows. (Labeling something that is disaster relief as stimulus is a failing at both ends of the political spectrum.)

[Pat]

Just a reminder.

$900 billion stimulus bill
/ 150 million taxpayers
= $6,000

That's how much your $600 stimulus costs you. (At least a 1:10 return is a better deal than the CARES Act was.)

It's a typical dishonest ploy for Republicans to pass tax cuts for rich people, driving up the national debt and then attribute that debt equally to every American. I don't see any problem with the benefit of coronavirus relief going to those who were more negatively affected, and those who were not paying for it; that's how society should work. The push for stimulus checks to everyone instead of increased unemployment benefits for people who are mostly out of work through no fault of their own is a bad thing, but it's probably all that the politics allows. (Labeling something that is disaster relief as stimulus is a failing at both ends of the political spectrum.)

Trumpbux Mark 2.0 adds up to $166 billion, and expanded unemployment another $120 billion. What part of the $634 billion left over adds up to helping those were more negatively affected? The money to monitor climate change in Tibet? Paying for investigating a race riot in 1908? Hundreds of millions to help another country (the Sudan) pay down it's own debt?

Calling this either a stimulus or a disaster relief bill is a joke. It's pork, with a minor bribe attached.