Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Ghostmaker]

Damn, you sure do like to call others dishonest while being completely blind to your own dishonesty. Face it Ghosty, you"re a sad  lying liar that lies so much that you can't even tell what's the truth anymore.

Come on, it is not Ghostmakers fault.  It was Martin Luther!

I guess Happy hasn't noticed yet that I put his sorry ass on ignore.

[HappyDaze]

Damn, you sure do like to call others dishonest while being completely blind to your own dishonesty. Face it Ghosty, you"re a sad  lying liar that lies so much that you can't even tell what's the truth anymore.

Come on, it is not Ghostmakers fault.  It was Martin Luther!

I guess Happy hasn't noticed yet that I put his sorry ass on ignore.

Makes no difference to me.

[VisionStorm]

Damn, you sure do like to call others dishonest while being completely blind to your own dishonesty. Face it Ghosty, you"re a sad  lying liar that lies so much that you can't even tell what's the truth anymore.

Come on, it is not Ghostmakers fault.  It was Martin Luther!

I guess Happy hasn't noticed yet that I put his sorry ass on ignore.

Makes no difference to me.

Joke's on YOU Ghostmaker, HappyDaze was only pretending to be retarded. 

[Shasarak]

Damn, you sure do like to call others dishonest while being completely blind to your own dishonesty. Face it Ghosty, you"re a sad  lying liar that lies so much that you can't even tell what's the truth anymore.

Come on, it is not Ghostmakers fault.  It was Martin Luther!

I guess Happy hasn't noticed yet that I put his sorry ass on ignore.

Makes no difference to me.

Joke's on YOU Ghostmaker, HappyDaze was only pretending to be retarded. 

[Ghostmaker]

Oh hey, look at that.

It's like lockdowns are causing massive damage to the economy.

But hey, it's the intentions that count, right?

[jhkim]

Oh hey, look at that.

It's like lockdowns are causing massive damage to the economy.

The implication here is that if only we just ignored the virus, the economy would be humming along fine. But that's not what we see in the data. The countries whose economies are doing the best are in East Asia, where they quickly implemented strong social distancing, mask wearing, and tracing - while avoiding lockdowns. Meanwhile, the U.S. and Europe have both been hit hard. Sweden is famous for not having lockdowns, but they've still been seeing a major economic recession. From three weeks ago:

Sweden's government has acknowledged that the latest Covid-19 flare-up means the economy will be weaker over the coming months than previously thought.

Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson said the pandemic is now "just as serious" in Sweden as it was back in March and April. "The transmission we have seen recently, and the measures taken here and in other countries, are expected to dampen the economic recovery," she said at a press briefing on Wednesday.

Sweden has so far faced a milder recession than many other European nations, after leaving much of its economy open throughout the pandemic. But with new cases soaring and hospitals filling up as Europe enters winter, the outlook is now much bleaker.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-18/sweden-says-covid-resurgence-will-hurt-economy-in-months-ahead

And after seeing a huge spike in deaths, Sweden is now finally looking to implement lockdowns to keep rates under control.

Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a-holdout-from-covid-19-restrictions-sweden-ends-its-pandemic-experiment-11607261658


Critics are saying "Just ignore it and don't wear a mask and the economy will be fine" -- which simply doesn't match what I'm see in the wider picture.

[Pat]

Maybe you'll be happier when the U.S. is a shithole. You're certainly doing your part for that.

Would like to escalate it further? Maybe bring up Nazis?

[Pat]

The implication here is that if only we just ignored the virus, the economy would be humming along fine. But that's not what we see in the data. The countries whose economies are doing the best are in East Asia, where they quickly implemented strong social distancing, mask wearing, and tracing - while avoiding lockdowns. Meanwhile, the U.S. and Europe have both been hit hard. Sweden is famous for not having lockdowns, but they've still been seeing a major economic recession.

No, that's not the implication. Nobody's saying the coronavirus would have no effect, that's a pure strawman. What people are saying is the economy would be doing better. That's what economics is about, and what politics should be about: Looking at the trade offs between what's seen (what happened) and the unseen (what could have happened, if we made different choices).

And the evidence completely supports the idea that countries without massive lockdowns are doing better, economically. Look at Europe, with strong lockdowns nearly everywhere and dismal economic projections for the next quarter. The projections for East Asia are much better, and the same is true for the US. In Europe, Sweden is an economic bright spot. Or look at Latin America, India, or Africa.

Also, mask wearing has been at high levels in the West for more than half a year, but the mandates weren't associated with drops in the infection rate (except when infection rates were already dropping), and we're seeing another big surge. There's now a massive amount of evidence that masks have little effect.

Nobody's quite sure why Asia is doing better than the West, but it's not mask wearing. One theory is subtle cultural differences, like Japanese on tightly packed trains who don't talk to each other, in comparison to all the people constantly talking on their cell phones (and thus spreading droplets) in supermarkets in the US. The other major theory is that Asia has experienced multiple waves of coronavirus before, from sars1 20 years ago, to others that probably weren't even noticed, so more of the population already has some degree of cross-immunity. There are even a few daring to say it might have a genetic component, arguing that immunity has evolved over the past 25,000 years in response to prehistorical pandemics. We may have a clear answer in a few months, because they're starting to do research like measuring the prevalence of antibodies that are partially reactive to sars2 in East Asian populations.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Fuck the goddamned masks. Most of society has been wearing the fucking masks and isolating, and "social distancing" for six months and more now.

And it hasn't done a fucking thing.

Beyond that, who gives a shit? The China virus isn't likely to kill anyone under 60. So, everyone that is over 60, fat, and with other such problems, THEY can wear masks, isolate themselves, and "wait for a vaccine"--while the rest of the population gets back to work, and gets on with living.

If you get the fucking China virus, so what? You are not likely to die, and preventative measures seem to be bullshit, and there's no cure, so what the fuck? You get it, you get it. Otherwise, we need to move the fuck on.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[consolcwby]

Greetings!

Fuck the goddamned masks. Most of society has been wearing the fucking masks and isolating, and "social distancing" for six months and more now.

And it hasn't done a fucking thing.

Beyond that, who gives a shit? The China virus isn't likely to kill anyone under 60. So, everyone that is over 60, fat, and with other such problems, THEY can wear masks, isolate themselves, and "wait for a vaccine"--while the rest of the population gets back to work, and gets on with living.

If you get the fucking China virus, so what? You are not likely to die, and preventative measures seem to be bullshit, and there's no cure, so what the fuck? You get it, you get it. Otherwise, we need to move the fuck on.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

BE QUIET!
Don't you understand? They WANT to be enslaved, starved, and watch as their families are torn ASUNDER! As long as they can play 5E without DICE, their happy as a little bitch waiting their turn at the knacker's yard!

And, whatever you do, do NOT show them this: https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1335779124527452160

Let them have their government decide if they and theirs is worthy of LIFE. Fuck liberty or pursuit of any happiness!!! As long as they're protected from the sniffles, WHO CARES RIGHT?!
Watch them ban HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE and give out FREE FORCED ABORTIONS! I, myself, cannot wait to see the gleam of happiness in their eyes!

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Fuck the goddamned masks. Most of society has been wearing the fucking masks and isolating, and "social distancing" for six months and more now.

And it hasn't done a fucking thing.

Beyond that, who gives a shit? The China virus isn't likely to kill anyone under 60. So, everyone that is over 60, fat, and with other such problems, THEY can wear masks, isolate themselves, and "wait for a vaccine"--while the rest of the population gets back to work, and gets on with living.

If you get the fucking China virus, so what? You are not likely to die, and preventative measures seem to be bullshit, and there's no cure, so what the fuck? You get it, you get it. Otherwise, we need to move the fuck on.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

BE QUIET!
Don't you understand? They WANT to be enslaved, starved, and watch as their families are torn ASUNDER! As long as they can play 5E without DICE, their happy as a little bitch waiting their turn at the knacker's yard!

And, whatever you do, do NOT show them this: https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1335779124527452160

Let them have their government decide if they and theirs is worthy of LIFE. Fuck liberty or pursuit of any happiness!!! As long as they're protected from the sniffles, WHO CARES RIGHT?!
Watch them ban HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE and give out FREE FORCED ABORTIONS! I, myself, cannot wait to see the gleam of happiness in their eyes!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yep, Consolcwby! That's right. All of these pussy sheep in our society. They all love getting on their fucking knees and being fed the fucking Communist jello. Cases are going up! Oh, whaa, whaa, whaa! Stop being a bunch of hysterical bitches!

The China virus *ISN'T* the fucking BLACK PLAGUE!! If you had people ding left and right, 25%, 40%, 50% deathrates, well, then you'd have something to be locked the fuck down for.

But 1/10th of 1%? Or a half of percent? 1%? Give me a fucking break. The hysterical reaction to this virus is so fucking pathetic. Nut the fuck up, Geesus. Our ancestors went through cholera, small pox, and all kinds of terrible shit that often killed 25% to 50% or more of the population. We have a fucking 1% or less deathrate with the China virus, and all these people lose their fucking minds.

While demanding absolute obedience and conformity to whatever the tyrants dictate.

Small business owners like one of the guys that owns Mac's Public House in Staten Island is being oppressed bythe fucking goons of De Blasio and Cuomo in New York. For opening his fucking bar and restaurant. Meanwhile, hundreds, thousands of people can go to fucking BLM riots, as well as Walmart and Costco every fucking day, and no problems with that!

But your independent, small businesses? Oh, no, you need to shut the fuck down, and go bankrupt. If you try and open up to survive, well, we will just charge you and fuck you with the boot of tyranny.

And some of these goddamned jello-filled fucking morons think this is America?

Geesus that Tree of Liberty needs to be watered good! I can think of many fine trees that should be well decorated for the holiday season! All in nice, neat rows down the street.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ghostmaker]

Maybe you'll be happier when the U.S. is a shithole. You're certainly doing your part for that.

Would like to escalate it further? Maybe bring up Nazis?

I'll leave that to the left. They've been calling us Nazis ever since Dubya.

[Abraxus]

It's easy to say don't bother doing anything if you catch the virus you catch it. If you get sick and die well it's your own fault for being 60 and over and unhealthy. Sorry I can' take that kind of cold calculating attitude of a sociopath in my daily life. My fiance grandparents are in their 90s. Both our moms are on their 60s. As much as I want to be a socially retarded asshole like many here. I can't I would find myself out on the street and single. Not to mention everyone is the tough guy socially retarded asshole when they and none of their family, friends and loved ones are sick. In my neck of the woods they give out fines of 1000$+. Good luck trying to refuse to pay it.

Now I agree the media and TV shows in general are getting annoying with constantly bringing up Cov-19. The Canadian Health Minister has such an annoying English accent in her voice it's like nails on chalkboard. I don't feel sorry for many businesses in my area. No social distancing at all with packed houses. People filming them and putting it on Facebook. It's one thing to complain about being closed when they followed proper procedures. Many of them gave a big finger to them and now they want to complain about being closed. Even then the government in my neck of the woods is strange. Restaurants that sell food are to remain closed yet tattoo parlors and sun tanning are booths are essential 

[HappyDaze]

Maybe you'll be happier when the U.S. is a shithole. You're certainly doing your part for that.

Would like to escalate it further? Maybe bring up Nazis?

I'll leave that to the left. They've been calling us Nazis ever since Dubya.

The extremists on both sides call everyone they perceive to not be on their side (which very often includes the moderates on their own side) names that might accurately apply to only a very small number of their opponents. It's rather pathetic.

[HappyDaze]

It's easy to say don't bother doing anything if you catch the virus you catch it. If you get sick and die well it's your own fault for being 60 and over and unhealthy. Sorry I can' take that kind of cold calculating attitude of a sociopath in my daily life. My fiance grandparents are in their 90s. Both our moms are on their 60s. As much as I want to be a socially retarded asshole like many here. I can't I would find myself out on the street and single. Not to mention everyone is the tough guy socially retarded asshole when they and none of their family, friends and loved ones are sick. In my neck of the woods they give out fines of 1000$+. Good luck trying to refuse to pay it.

Now I agree the media and TV shows in general are getting annoying with constantly bringing up Cov-19. The Canadian Health Minister has such an annoying English accent in her voice it's like nails on chalkboard. I don't feel sorry for many businesses in my area. No social distancing at all with packed houses. People filming them and putting it on Facebook. It's one thing to complain about being closed when they followed proper procedures. Many of them gave a big finger to them and now they want to complain about being closed. Even then the government in my neck of the woods is strange. Restaurants that sell food are to remain closed yet tattoo parlors and sun tanning are booths are essential

shitstain, you ignorant bastard...

Oh, it looks like we can agree on some things after all. Carry on then.