Brianna Wu has gone full theRPGsite

[Mistwell]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

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I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique https://www.playpokies247.com/">playpokies247.com
A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

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So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

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It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

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Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
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It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
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[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

[RPGPundit]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if Wu recently had a stroke, like Fetterman? Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?

[GeekyBugle]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
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[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No, he hasn't. Just like Zak this POS is worried the firing squad might target him.

Both pieces of shit are only against cancel culture when it targets "the wrong people" meaning other leftist pieces of shit.

[Grognard GM]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if Wu recently had a stroke, like Fetterman? Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?

Wu is a grifter down to the DNA, so maybe they scent a wind change.

[Eirikrautha]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
--------------------
[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

[jeff37923]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
--------------------
[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

You provide "quotes" but not links to them. Skepticism abounds.

[yosemitemike]

I don't buy this heel-face turn at all.  Wu has been happy to use these sorts of tactics for years and to cheer on other people who used them.  Now that public opinion has turned against these cancel pig antics, he, like a lot of people, is trying rebrand himself as a reasonable person who is against such sordid methods.  Bullshit.  He was fine with these tactics as long as he could use them to his advantage.

[Ratman_tf]

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I think mostly these heelturns are asshole proggies who got tired of being harangued and harassed by their own side until they got fed up and said "Fuck off!".
Now they're assholes who hate the other assholes on their own side.

[oggsmash]

    Sorry progressive still spells enemy to me.  I am sad his "fringe" left is starting to worry him...but anyone who calls themselves progressive now is the enemy of western civilization and sanity.  That includes Wu.

[Brad]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brianna_Wu

I had to look this person up...is that a dude pretending to be a woman? I cannot tell.

[BadApple]

I'm not sure what Wu could ever do to gain my trust.  Public seppuku maybe?

If she were serious, she would get with victims and help file criminal charges and law suits against the companies that bent the knee to the woke crowd and ruined lives.  She was a general in the woke army so she has the receipts.  Anything short of going full nuclear on the woke and taking up a Mennonite lifestyle I will view as nothing more than a political maneuver to avoid the noose she knows she deserves.

[yosemitemike]

You provide "quotes" but not links to them. Skepticism abounds.

Talking about fake or invented death threats to gain sympathy or portray critics in a bad light is an old standby tactic of the cancel pig crowd.  They love talking about fake threats and imaginary harassment to get sympathy and make their critics seem like perpetrators.  The anti-gamergate crowd did this constantly.  I don't believe a word of this without receipts.

[GeekyBugle]

Since some seem to live under a rock...

[tenbones]

No absolution to be given. He/She can fuck itself. I don't care what it thinks 'today'.

Reality has asserted itself. I say we fortify reality.

[Mistwell]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
--------------------
[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

Where did I say they were talking "sense"? You have me confused with Pundit's comment, where Pundit said "Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?".

I said this is stuff said right here (and it is).

Did you suddenly imagine my view of things said here are what I consider "sense", despite over a decade of my saying otherwise?

Did you think my saying the things they're saying should be believed, when all I said is it's stuff said here? I gave no opinion on whether or not I believe Brianna Wu, just that this is what they are saying right now.

But hey, thanks for the total strawman AND the personal attack based purely on your fictional strawman. It's tiresome man. You don't HAVE to be a dick to me you know. You could just behave like a normal human being, sometimes. And I am not asking for the benefit of the doubt - I am asking that you at least treat what I say as what I say, rather than the nonsense you spewed above that was purely fiction about what I said. Tale your dispute up with Pundit, since it appears to be his view you are disappointed by.