2020 Election Commentary

[Tubesock Army]

Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/2020/12/24/d5a1ab9e-4403-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html

I'm Kraken up at this story

[HappyDaze]

What a fucking clownshow. The morons praising the Emperor's New Claims are either deluded as fuck or deliberately trying to deceive others. Ok, maybe a mix of both. Regardless,  it's fucking pathetic that they boast that they're the "patriots" when they're quite obviously not.

[Mistwell]

>we have an objective system to determine what rises to proof of a crime
>they're called courts.

Dude, there have been innocent men sent to DEATH Row by US courts and later found innocent. Multiple times.

And that's when courts actually look at the evidence and don't dismiss it on procedural grounds.

THAT's how effective the US court system is at "objectively" determining WTF "proof" is.

I didn't say it was a PERFECT system. It's run by human beings so it cannot be perfect.

I said it was objective. Which it is. Certainly on the scale from more subjective to more objective, it's far closer to objective than rando on YouTube posting vids for clicks.

So yes, you lack proof if you cannot convince a Judge/Jury that you're correct concerning criminal claims.

[Mistwell]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it.

[myleftnut]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed!

To be serious for a moment.  Does anyone know the implications concerning the one time payment?   Considering the bill was not signed nor vetoed. 

[Mistwell]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed!

To be serious for a moment.  Does anyone know the implications concerning the one time payment?   Considering the bill was not signed nor vetoed.

Right now it's a pocket veto. IE if he does not sign it for 10 days after passage, it goes away. It's back to Congress at the moment for debate, technically.

[Shasarak]

Its not proving a stolen election.  It is about proving that the election was legitimate.

You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.

You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.

You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.

No, claims that it was not a free and fair election likely require a showing by the preponderance of evidence (although assertions of criminality would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt).

You dont prove a negative dumbie

You prove it was free and fair, you dont prove that it was not. 

[Shasarak]

Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...

Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.

[HappyDaze]

Its not proving a stolen election.  It is about proving that the election was legitimate.

You are confused; the burden of proof is still with those claiming it is not legitimate.

You dont accept an unverified election because elections are not inherently innocent until proven guilty.

You need to prove that it was both a free and fair election.

No, claims that it was not a free and fair election likely require a showing by the preponderance of evidence (although assertions of criminality would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt).

You dont prove a negative dumbie

You prove it was free and fair, you dont prove that it was not.

No, dipshit, you prove a crime (e.g., fraud) was committed. That has not occurred in any meaningful way.

[Shasarak]

No, dipshit, you prove a crime (e.g., fraud) was committed. That has not occurred in any meaningful way.

Thanks for the derpy derp, Happy Daze

[VisionStorm]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it.

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries and donated to his campaign, so if anything that makes me like Trump even more.

But TBH, I'd rather they just got rid of that bill ENTIELY. What's in the rest of that bill is WORSE than getting those $2K.

[Pat]

But TBH, I'd rather they just got rid of that bill ENTIELY. What's in the rest of that bill is WORSE than getting those $2K.

Remember the 2008 stimulus bill? They had to pass it, to save the economy!

Yet even under the bankrupt Keynesian theories they used to justify massive government spending, stimulus spending has to be shovel-ready. You need boots on the ground, doing work, almost instantly, or it won't help.

There was almost none of that, in the bill. Instead, the bill was every pork barrel project Congress hadn't managed to shove down the throats of the American public during the preceding 50 years.

The new bill is another pile of pork, waste, and debt.

[Pat]

Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...

Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.

That's Doctor Jill Biden, the Doctor General, to you.

[Spike]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it.

Sure.  First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it.  Second this bill is one of the biggest (longest in terms of page count) in history, if not the absolute record holder (I believe it is, in fact, the record holder).  Most of that 2100 dollars that American Tax Payers are spending to receive 600 dollars of 'stimulous' is not even going to projects or businesses in America, but are being paid to countries like Pakistan, Egypt and others.

Not that anyone is exactly certain, because in addition to being absurdly long, they were given a handful of hours to parse those 6000 thousand pages (That is ten pages per dollar received in stimulus, and 2 dollars and change for every dollars spent by a taxpayer...) so they could exercise informed consent in the performance of their representative duties.

As much as I enjoy getting money for sitting on my ass, this looks like a terrible deal on the face of it, and I'm glad its being quashed. I don't care who is doing the quashing, or who put their hands in my pocket to take all that money in the first place.

[Mistwell]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it.

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries and donated to his campaign, so if anything that makes me like Trump even more.

But TBH, I'd rather they just got rid of that bill ENTIELY. What's in the rest of that bill is WORSE than getting those $2K.

Cool. I assume that means SHARK wants you hanged for treason or something.