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2020 Election Commentary

Started by deadDMwalking, July 17, 2020, 04:22:33 PM

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jhkim

Quote from: VisionStorm on December 17, 2020, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: jhkim on December 17, 2020, 02:30:40 PMIn the 2020 general elections, the claims require that not just dozens to hundreds of Democrats - but also dozens of top-ranking Republicans as well as dozens of court judges all have to be in on the conspiracy. If all the evidence is as blatant and obviously true as claimed, then how else would judge after judge rule against the election lawsuits? When I sample through the various evidence claims, what I see is not the proof that it is described as.

And that is precisely what I believe happened. Republicans hate Trump. The man basically inserted himself into their party and took it over, and #NeverTrump has been a thing since the man got the nomination to run as the Republican candidate for president. Most that work with him do so out of expediency, since they're stuck with him either way. I have zero difficulty believing that Democrats and Republicans would work together to preserve the status quo, cuz that is precisely what has been happening for decades and how we were pushed into forever wars. Their differences are all performative, just to get elected, but neither party works for the public, only for the special interests, and Trump has been disrupting all that. The judges haven't even looked at any of the evidence, but dismissed every case on the grounds of things such as improper filing, rather than the merits of them.

That is incorrect regarding the judges. It's true that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against the Texas AG lawsuit on lack of grounds rather than evidence, but there have been over 50 lawsuits - many of which *were* decided on the basis of evidence. I'm sure you've seen videos of testimony being given in court in a number of cases. That's evidence being heard and ruled on. If you go over the list of lawsuits, many of them were dismissed by judges who ruled the evidence was not persuasive. The Wikipedia page has a breakdown, but you don't have to believe Wikipedia - you can go to the rulings themselves to confirm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election


Plus, in addition to all the judges, you have to add in the FBI and DOJ have to be in on it as well -- plus a bunch of police departments. They're failing to investigate and arrest the blatant criminal action that is supposedly happening. Police and FBI don't require a legal filing prior to making an investigation and arrest.

Looking at the history of confirmed criminal conspiracies, like the Watergate, the Iran Contra affair, Whitewater, and others -- they don't have the sort of hyper-competence that is portrayed in fiction. All of them were shot full of flaws. What is claimed is a conspiracy vastly larger and more ambitious than any of those, with a massively tighter seal on all details.

EOTB

If only we had whistleblowers who testified to rampant stupidity in executing this at all levels, our friends on the other side of the aisle would take it more seriously

It really sucks all we have is the accusation of a fraud so cleanly and tracelessly executed, that the mass hallucinations of thousands of people coming forward in real time as events unfolded is obviously what happened.  Because the people being accused assure us it isn't true (this is called an official fact check, or "debunk"), and it isn't credible that an entire government can become largely corrupt - if you read through history books, "corrupt" isn't an adjective commonly modifying the noun "government"
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SHARK

Quote from: EOTB on December 17, 2020, 07:51:54 PM
If only we had whistleblowers who testified to rampant stupidity in executing this at all levels, our friends on the other side of the aisle would take it more seriously

It really sucks all we have is the accusation of a fraud so cleanly and tracelessly executed, that the mass hallucinations of thousands of people coming forward in real time as events unfolded is obviously what happened.  Because the people being accused assure us it isn't true (this is called an official fact check, or "debunk"), and it isn't credible that an entire government can become largely corrupt - if you read through history books, "corrupt" isn't an adjective commonly modifying the noun "government"

Greetings!

That's right, EOTB!

We have hundreds, maybe thousands of witnesses, testimonies, of fraud and corruption throughout the election, in several states.

But the powers that be, the good Leftists chomping at the bit to get their hands on more power, shriek that there's nothing to see here! There's no fraud, EOTB!

Of course, if there was fraud--this reaction from the public with numerous whistle blowers is exactly what we would expect to see. Lo and Behold, there are lots of ordinary Americans *screaming* about fraud and corruption, and you would think that people that claim to be above board and honest would want to take them seriously, and pursue thorough investigations!

Instead, we have broad blanket organized censorship, shrill cries to shut up and bow down, and a chorus of smug, self-righteous pigs telling us in unison, "There is no evidence of substantial fraud. There's nothing to see here. Just accept Biden and Harris as our new leaders, and move on!"

Yes, yes. With "Unity and Healing" ;D

Semper Fidelis,

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Tubesock Army

You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.

Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.
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Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

How many people die every day in a country of 330 million?
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Tubesock Army

Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 17, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.

Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.

Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.

Tubesock Army

Quote from: Shasarak on December 17, 2020, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

How many people die every day in a country of 330 million?

Nice strawman, but we now know that many of these deaths would have been preventable if not for the ineptitude and callousness of the current administration, headed by Pinnochiorange.

Besides, if Covid deaths don't matter because "lots of people die every day", then I guess the right can just shut the fuck up about abortion. Or people killed by illegal aliens.


Ratman_tf

Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 17, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.

Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.

Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.

Like every politician ever.
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We have a vaccine now when every talking head and retard assured us it'd be two years before it was ready.

Go home, Sockpuppet. You're drunk.

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Quote from: Shasarak on December 17, 2020, 08:53:35 PMHow many people die every day in a country of 330 million?
In 2018 is was about 6500 per day. In 2020 in the United States of America COVID19 is the third leading cause of death.
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Tubesock Army

Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 17, 2020, 09:35:22 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 17, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
You can tell that Trump doesn't give a crap about the cyberattack or the thousands dying of Covid each day. Good riddance to this sack of crap. I mean, is it too much to ask that even in the interregnum, you at least pretend that the job and the American people mean anything?

Man what? You can think that Trump is insincere about his intentions, but you can't seriously say that he hasn't been out there making speeches about how the American people mean anything. That's how the dude got frikkin elected in 2016. He went to the rust belt and talked like an average Joe to average Joes.

Meanwhile we're in for less than four years of Status Quo Joe giving us boilerplate politics until he slips in the shower and Kamilia takes over. Can't wait to see what Lady Joker does with the position. I'm stocking up on canned beans and shotgun ammo.

Yes, he's been out there making speeches and collecting money.

Like every politician ever.

"Everyone does it" is an intellectually lazy fallback people use when they can't defend their position.

Tubesock Army

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 17, 2020, 09:36:20 PM
We have a vaccine now when every talking head and retard assured us it'd be two years before it was ready.

Go home, Sockpuppet. You're drunk.

We "have" a vaccine, yes, but it will still be a while before it gets rolled out.

Saying "We have a vaccine!" is like saying "We put out the fire", when the fire is still raging, the water won't be available widely for months, and it will take a year or more to fully extinguish the fire, which would have been contained long ago, and many lives saved, if we had competent leadership.

Instead, we have a 9/11 every day, because Republicucks fell for the lies of a literal pantsshitting moron.

SHARK

Greetings!

That's right the ORANGE MAN is out giving speeches, hosting awesome rallies for the American people, and raking in HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF SWEET DOLLARS!!! YESSS!!

And if the ORANGE MAN spends just 10% of those hundreds of millions of dollars to fuck the leftists and crush Marxism, that is MONEY WELL SPENT!

*LAUGHING*

I hope ORANGE MAN rakes in even MOAR MONEY!!! Fucking GOOD!!!

It's always a joy to hear cock-sucking Marxists REEEE! Anything to make them sob and cry like the filthy bitches they are!

Semper Fidelis,

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jeff37923

Quote from: Tubesock Army on December 17, 2020, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 17, 2020, 09:36:20 PM
We have a vaccine now when every talking head and retard assured us it'd be two years before it was ready.

Go home, Sockpuppet. You're drunk.

We "have" a vaccine, yes, but it will still be a while before it gets rolled out.

Saying "We have a vaccine!" is like saying "We put out the fire", when the fire is still raging, the water won't be available widely for months, and it will take a year or more to fully extinguish the fire, which would have been contained long ago, and many lives saved, if we had competent leadership.

Instead, we have a 9/11 every day, because Republicucks fell for the lies of a literal pantsshitting moron.

Hey Tubesock Asswipe, why do you register on a gaming forum and have only a single post in Pen and Paper Roleplaying Games (RPGs) Discussion, but over 50 in The RPGPundit's Own Forum? Could it be because you are only here to troll? Looks likely!

Go back to Tangency.
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