2020 Election Commentary

[Ghostmaker]

It was the Treasury Department. Nobody cares about them anyways

In all seriousness, though, if the 2015 OPM hack wasn't enough to get the feds to tighten the fuck up, nothing will. Not Trump, not Biden, hell, I doubt God could convince some of those feckless incompetents to practice good IT security.

[jhkim]

The electric voting seems ripe for fraud to me.  Any digital voting that is secret is.  I think we need to either have physical ballots only and secret voting, or non-secret digital voting.  But not digital voting where the vote is akin to placing an order at a McDonald's kiosk.

It sounds like you're talking about voting where there's an electronic record that gets copied around. That's known as Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting -- and I agree that it is a bad idea.

There should be physical paper ballots such that we can do a hand count of the paper ballots as a cross-check. But that's what the current Georgia system is. In the current Georgia system, the voter turns in a physical paper ballot, and the paper ballot is the only thing used to determine the result. The counts can all be confirmed by doing a hand count of the paper ballots. I think that's good design, and it was specifically introduced to *replace* the previous DRE system that Georgia used to have because of similar complaints.

If you're talking about abandoning all electricity and only doing hand-counts of paper ballots - that seems backwards to me, and liable to result in more errors and problems. Having both hand-count and optical scan to cross-check is a useful cross-check.

It *is* crazy to think (...) that the Dems were already rigging their own primaries for two election cycles, and the prize for winning being picking winners in a $25 trillion economy, that people think the oppositions would do and could do something like this

If you're complaining about electronic-only voting, it's primarily the southern Republican states that are using DRE systems. In the map below, the grey areas are using DRE systems. Note that this map is from 2016, and Georgia replaced its former DRE system with the new paper scan system.


Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/08/on-election-day-most-voters-use-electronic-or-optical-scan-ballots/

Most Democrat-controlled states have been more wary of DRE systems, and prefer optical scan of paper ballots.

[Shasarak]

Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?

Was there any evidence of a "cyberattack"?

I am waiting for the Supreme Court before believing that happened.

[EOTB]

I don't know why you keep pointing out what states buy these systems as if it matters.  If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm one of the guys saying the GOP and dems are two wings of the same globalist uniparty.  Which is why everything moves in one direction over the past 50 years regardless of what party is elected.

No I'm talking about any system that creates a digitized ballot. 

The antrim audit talked about a 68% error rate.  The nevada audit mentioned about 70%.  That's right in line with what the Fulton County GA Elections Director admits to in his own news conference discussing absentee ballots.

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1338977383202783232?s=20

"We've scanned 113,130 ballots and adjudicated <106,000"  0:00 - 0:10 of video

That's over a 90% error rate, as the term error rate is used in the audit reports - a situation where the scan of the ballot is kicked out for manual review

"the only (ha - ed) ballots that are adjudicated are if we have a ballot with a contest on it, in which there's some question as to how the computer reads it, so the vote review panel then determines voter intent"

If the digital system required a manual determination of voter intent then its a pointless, expensive system with new vulnerabilities not present if limited to only reviewing physical objects that are hard to manipulate. 

Here is what a Dominion adjudication process looks like.  The scan of the physical ballot can be adjusted as needed by the adjudicator.  The scan that is saved is the manipulated scan. 

https://rumble.com/vbrtxz-dominion-ballot-change-walkthrough.html

The edit logs of what would have been done in this process demonstrated in the video, is what the audits say are missing from the machines that shouldn't be missing.  The physical ballots were in many cases sent for shredding right after the election was over.

No, I think we need to keep the original voting processes we used before electronic voting machines began being used.

 

[Bren]

Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?

Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.

[jhkim]

If the digital system required a manual determination of voter intent then its a pointless, expensive system with new vulnerabilities not present if limited to only reviewing physical objects that are hard to manipulate. 

Here is what a Dominion adjudication process looks like.  The scan of the physical ballot can be adjusted as needed by the adjudicator.  The scan that is saved is the manipulated scan.

No, I think we need to keep the original voting processes we used before electronic voting machines began being used. 

It sounds like you consider it a problem in scanning a physical ballot if the count can be manually altered by an adjudicator. By calling a manual adjudication "manipulated", it sounds like you consider that adjudication to be suspicious and untrustworthy. But then you're advocating an older system where a manual adjudicator is *always* deciding the results.

I think the real root problem is that you don't trust the election system in the first place. If you don't trust the people who put in the machines, why would you trust the same people to manually count the results?

I approve of paper forms, but one inherent problem is that some voters won't fill it in correctly. They'll write in the wrong place, or choose the wrong number of options, or other errors. That always produces some ambiguous results, regardless of whether a machine is used or not. This problem is why we started using mechanical voting machines starting in the 1890s -- the old lever-pull that produces a punch card, where you can't pull the lever unless all the proper choices are made. But mechanical voting machines can have their own problems, like hanging chads that became famous in the 2000 election. Punch cards were abandoned after 2000 because of this.

https://rumble.com/vbrtxz-dominion-ballot-change-walkthrough.html

The edit logs of what would have been done in this process demonstrated in the video, is what the audits say are missing from the machines that shouldn't be missing.  The physical ballots were in many cases sent for shredding right after the election was over.

According to federal law, paper ballots for any federal election must be kept for 22 months after the election is over. If you have any links about the supposed immediate shredding of ballots, I'd want to see them.

[EOTB]

It sounds like you should re-read that post because your summation is off - just as it was the previous summation I didn't respond to the other day for lack of time.  And I'm not a link service.  You know how to use the Internet.  I'm not trying to change your mind at the crowder table.

[Trond]

So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.

Couldn't back up your position, huh?

You can just google it, it's known by virtually everyone.

But I'm cautious about debating people who seem to have psychological meltdowns online.

Must be a slow week for the HappyDaze grift.

? What does he have to do with it?

[HappyDaze]

So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.

Couldn't back up your position, huh?

You can just google it, it's known by virtually everyone.

But I'm cautious about debating people who seem to have psychological meltdowns online.

Must be a slow week for the HappyDaze grift.

? What does he have to do with it?

Everything and nothing at the same time.

[rawma]

Couldn't back up your position, huh?

You can just google it, it's known by virtually everyone.

You still can't post one single link to support your position, though. Just trash talking the New York Times.

[rawma]

Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?

Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.

Yes, and he's not going to start criticizing Putin now.

Lots of stuff for President Biden to fix come January 20th.

[Tubesock Army]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/fireeye-solarwinds-russia-hack.html

Sure glad we have a President edits such a bitch

[Shasarak]

I really hope that we have at least 50 intelligence "experts" who claim that it was Russian interference.

Un-named experts would be the best sort to use.

[Shasarak]

Everything is fine:

[video]youtu.be/up1SLwKWSaE[/youtube]


youtu.be/up1SLwKWSaE

[Ratman_tf]

Has Trump said anything about the cyberattack we just suffered? Is he even pretending to care about his office or the American public anymore?

Why would he start now? He's far too busy conning the rubes to get some more money.

Yes, and he's not going to start criticizing Putin now.

Lots of stuff for President Biden to fix come January 20th.

Like he fixed the election?

HEYO!