2020 Election Commentary

[VisionStorm]

No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.

No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.

It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.

[jhkim]

And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Goodness me. That looks bad.

EDIT: Evidently Deperno Law missed the memo that BBS software hates brackets in links. Copy and paste the link, don't try to click on it.

This is expert testimony from one witness - Russell James Ramsland. It is evidence, but like with any other witness, the ultimate question is how accurate and reliable his information is. I've looked over the current affidavit, but it's just a first scan. I find it quite believable that there were a ton of problems in Antrim County. The whole reason it was audited, after all, was there was a uniquely huge fuckup in its initial unofficial reporting, after all, that gave results off by thousands of votes.

That doesn't speak to Ramsland's reliability, though. Ramsland had an earlier affidavit here:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf

Since this other affidavit came in mid-November, others have had time to read it in more detail. In the latter (page 3), there are a list of Michigan precincts where supposedly there were over 100% voter turnout. However, those numbers are clearly wrong, since those precincts don't exist in Michigan. You can look them up yourself.

Now, just because there is a set of false data in the previous affidavit, that doesn't mean that his current affidavit on Antrim County is wrong - but it does go towards his reliability as an expert. I would look forward to other opinions on the subject, to compare to Ramsland.

[Pat]

This is expert testimony from one witness - Russell James Ramsland.

One witness, with a political science degree and an MBA, talking about computer security issues. He's not qualified.

But his team may be, because he uses the royal "we" and mentions he "relied on the experts and resources" of Allied Security Operations Group. It would be good have more information on ASOG, and less on Ramsland. Can't find much about them, outside this report.

[shuddemell]

No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.

No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.

It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.

Exactly this. You can't find facts or verify claims if you refuse to investigate at all.

[Tubesock Army]

Well, when Plaintiffs continually refuse to allege fraud in court, there isn't much incentive to use public resources to investigate it. Maybe if one - one - lawyer on Team Trump would, you know, allege fraud in court, there'd be an investigation. But they won't, because lying to a judge gets you in trouble, unlike lying to the media.

[Shasarak]

No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.

No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.

It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.

Visionstorm you should know that you dont have to investigate claims to prove fraud.  You just ask the CEO of Dominion and believe them when they say they are innocent.

That is the Bidan American way, cheat to win.

[jeff37923]

Greetings!

The New York Times is a totally Leftist newspaper. They aren't an actual legitimate media company, seeking to embrace genuine journalism. They are nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Marxist-Globalist, Democrat party, like virtually all of the MSM.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Remember kids, when everyone seems to be to the Left of your viewpoint, it's quite possibly a sign you're a Right-wing extremist.

[jeff37923]

No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.

We're well past "This guy says it's an issue, and wrote a report on it being an issue, so it must be an issue". We've had over 50 Court cases with lots and lots and lots of opportunities to present it to an objective decisionmaker in accordance with our state and federal laws.

The Report appears to depend on false and misleading data and assumptions.

[jhkim]

No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.

It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.

Exactly this. You can't find facts or verify claims if you refuse to investigate at all.

I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, that's not how courts work. That is, the function of the court is to judge the *results* of investigation. The courts themselves don't assign investigators. In criminal law, for example, the police investigate and arrest a suspect, who is then charged by the District Attorney - and then the courts judge the results of that investigation.

For election, it would normally be state election commissions who would assign official investigators. Depending on state law, other elected state officials (like the Governor and/or Secretary of State) may also assign special investigators. And as far as I have seen, they have been investigating. State investigators have been going out and looking into all sorts of claimed problems. It is on the basis of the official investigators' reports that the commissions for each state have certified their election results. All of the states have investigated and certified their votes.

Also, the federal Department of Justice and FBI can investigate suspected criminal action to tamper with votes. And, again, they have investigated and not found anything. It was on the basis of investigations that former Attorney General Barr claimed that he had not found evidence of widespread fraud.

The problem isn't that investigations aren't being done. It's that whenever any investigation *doesn't* find fraud, it is claimed that the investigation is illegitimate and suspect - even if the investigation is by Republican officials or even by a Trump appointee. That limits the options. If all official investigators are contested, the courts still don't assign investigators - but rather give access to independent parties, and then the courts will judge the results of independent investigators compared to official investigators.

That's what happened in Antrim County, as I understand it - the court ordered that Trump's legal team be given a copy of all the machine data to investigate. Trump's team assigned Russell and ASOG, and they made their report. The court will now review both the official investigators' findiings and the ASOG investigation and make a ruling.

[Mistwell]

No Court, not one single Court, has found the Dominion claims to be legitimate.

No Court, not one single Court, has investigated the claims, or even has the expertise necessary to investigate the machines, but they haven't called a tech expert to investigate them either.

It's almost like the courts don't want to look at the evidence.

No plaintiff has attempted to present it. It's almost like the plaintiff's know it's all bullshit intended for YouTube suckers only.

Again, it's been debunked. The "data" the report used was based on known human error which was corrected before the election. Machines are only as smart as the data inputted into them, and when the poll workers tested it by confusing the names, it accurately spit back out the names in the confused order. When they corrected it, it worked correctly. The report is failing to mention they are aware the mistake was safely corrected. Gee, I wonder why it would leave that fact out?

[Mistwell]

McConnell congratulated Biden on his win.

Again, now what? Electors have voted for Biden and those votes were certified. House doesn't have the members in sufficient numbers to accept an alternate slate of electors. Courts have rejected claims. Safeharbor for elector slates has come and gone. What exactly is a remaining legal route to Trump remaining President?

[EOTB]

It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.

[Mistwell]

It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.

What legal route remains for Trump to be sworn in as President at this point?

[Tubesock Army]

Anyone who needs a laugh, check out the oblivious Trump supporting losers on social media who are wondering why they lost money they bet on Trump winning the election. Betfair has settled the bets. Trump didn't win. These poeple's denial is both sad and hilarious. I feel for the family members, especially kids, that will be affected by such fiscal irresponsibility. But not for the people who lost everything betting on a race they had limited information on. The funniest part? Betfair took over 600 million dollars worth of bets for Trump AFTER Nov. 3rd. Yeah, you read that right. These people are morons.

[Tubesock Army]

It would be very hard for say, financial fraud, to be asserted in court if no one but the suspect had access to the books.

Be that as it may, it still takes more than suspicion to get that ball rolling, in any US court. Quite simply, Team Trump has repeatedly failed to meet even the minimal evidentiary standard to successfully BEGIN a case, let alone successfully argue one. This is not the fault of some vast, bipartisan conspiracy. This is because Team Trump has repeatedly admitted in court that they have no direct evidence of fraud to present to the court. Sure, they crow about it in the media. But before a judge, not so much. To believe the Trump Camp's empty bluster at this point is to be the most laughable kind of rube.