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2020 Election Commentary

Started by deadDMwalking, July 17, 2020, 04:22:33 PM

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Kyle Aaron

Quote from: SHARK on December 09, 2020, 01:29:18 AMI charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"
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Ratman_tf

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on December 09, 2020, 06:53:20 AM
Quote from: SHARK on December 09, 2020, 01:29:18 AMI charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"


I will say, it's been fun trying to figure out if SHARK is a troll or counter-troll or the real deal. This one was pretty juicy. :D
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VisionStorm

(Mostly) Democrats just voted for a $740 BILLION "stimulus" that was entirely for defense military spending and nothing's going to the public.



It's a good thing that we have a strong "Left-Wing" party looking out for the common folk and that the American public (supposedly) elected Biden to liberate us from the Cheeto Dictator, though, cuz that cheddar colored bastard was against it.

Ghostmaker

Never seen leftists so damn eager to charge back into the furnace that is the Middle East. I wonder where they dumped Cindy Sheehan after they'd shot their wad with her. Hope they at least left some money on the dresser.

Quote from: jhkim on December 08, 2020, 05:33:34 PM

Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:


https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/georgia-dominion-machine-gives.html/

I agree about the 26% vs 0.26% argument, they need to iron that out. It may be an issue of how the numbers are laid out. If every vote cast gives Trump 1 vote, but Biden gets 1.26 votes... then yeah, it's accurate enough.

However, that's almost pointless. The presence of any kind of 'weighting' algorithm is a BAD THING. It should not have been present in tabulating machines for an election. The excuse they used ('oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership')... what? Where is THAT a thing?

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Oh, and I hear Louisiana just joined the Texas lawsuit. Fun times.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 09, 2020, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on December 09, 2020, 06:53:20 AM
Quote from: SHARK on December 09, 2020, 01:29:18 AMI charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"


I will say, it's been fun trying to figure out if SHARK is a troll or counter-troll or the real deal. This one was pretty juicy. :D
His political bullshit is pure troll and 1000% internet tough guy nonsense, but his gaming posts are usually fairly good.

oggsmash

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 09, 2020, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 09, 2020, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on December 09, 2020, 06:53:20 AM
Quote from: SHARK on December 09, 2020, 01:29:18 AMI charged swiftly through the gathered crowd, up to their little stage, and grabbed the American flag out of this fucker's hands. I had my fist raised, and he exclaimed to me, demanding that I give the American flag back to him. I told him straight to his face that I would kill him right there before God and everyone if he desecrated the American flag. Several other students sought to take the flag from my grip, and I snarled at them, holding the flag tightly, "Who wants to die first?"


I will say, it's been fun trying to figure out if SHARK is a troll or counter-troll or the real deal. This one was pretty juicy. :D
His political bullshit is pure troll and 1000% internet tough guy nonsense, but his gaming posts are usually fairly good.

  I am not sure how much of it is troll and think it is likely blowing out steam.  Like doing burpees at a high rate for 5 mins straight, or interval rounds on a bag, a way to get the poison out that doesnt hurt anyone and makes the person purging it feel better.

jhkim

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2020, 08:23:35 AM
Quote from: jhkim on December 08, 2020, 05:33:34 PM
Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:

https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/georgia-dominion-machine-gives.html/

I agree about the 26% vs 0.26% argument, they need to iron that out. It may be an issue of how the numbers are laid out. If every vote cast gives Trump 1 vote, but Biden gets 1.26 votes... then yeah, it's accurate enough.

However, that's almost pointless. The presence of any kind of 'weighting' algorithm is a BAD THING. It should not have been present in tabulating machines for an election. The excuse they used ('oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership')... what? Where is THAT a thing?

But there is no evidence of any weighting algorithm. Look at your headline -- "Using sequestered Dominion Equipment, GA. County Ran EQUAL Number of Trump and Biden Votes But Tabulator Reported 26% Lead For Biden". 

But the supposed source for that headline is the same VoterGA email screenshot, which says "Thank you for taking my call yesterday. I am writing to you to confirm our conversation of last week that on the hand recount that the Trump vote count went up to a total of 37 and Biden's count went down 37 or totals being Trump 9902 Biden 4174 and Jorgensen 116. Thank you for your response and your service to our country during these trying times."

No part of that headline fits their own cited source. (1) the equipment was not sequestered; (2) they did not run equal numbers of Trump and Biden votes; (3) it did not result in a 26% lead for Biden.

There was a hand recount that got a different total from the machine-fed count -- but there is no indication that it was from a software algorithm as opposed to human error. Incidentally, you say there is a quote "oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership" - but I can't find anything like that even in your article.

Ghostmaker

Quote from: jhkim on December 09, 2020, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2020, 08:23:35 AM
Quote from: jhkim on December 08, 2020, 05:33:34 PM
Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:

https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/georgia-dominion-machine-gives.html/

I agree about the 26% vs 0.26% argument, they need to iron that out. It may be an issue of how the numbers are laid out. If every vote cast gives Trump 1 vote, but Biden gets 1.26 votes... then yeah, it's accurate enough.

However, that's almost pointless. The presence of any kind of 'weighting' algorithm is a BAD THING. It should not have been present in tabulating machines for an election. The excuse they used ('oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership')... what? Where is THAT a thing?

But there is no evidence of any weighting algorithm. Look at your headline -- "Using sequestered Dominion Equipment, GA. County Ran EQUAL Number of Trump and Biden Votes But Tabulator Reported 26% Lead For Biden". 

But the supposed source for that headline is the same VoterGA email screenshot, which says "Thank you for taking my call yesterday. I am writing to you to confirm our conversation of last week that on the hand recount that the Trump vote count went up to a total of 37 and Biden's count went down 37 or totals being Trump 9902 Biden 4174 and Jorgensen 116. Thank you for your response and your service to our country during these trying times."

No part of that headline fits their own cited source. (1) the equipment was not sequestered; (2) they did not run equal numbers of Trump and Biden votes; (3) it did not result in a 26% lead for Biden.

There was a hand recount that got a different total from the machine-fed count -- but there is no indication that it was from a software algorithm as opposed to human error. Incidentally, you say there is a quote "oh, it's for calculating votes by land ownership" - but I can't find anything like that even in your article.
Yeah, the land ownership thing is supposedly from a Dominion rep. Digging to see where I found it.

Trying to find a clear answer is getting harder, even if you don't use a search engine that'll weigh your results. It'll be interesting to see who's right. If the lefties are correct, how the hell did the audit team manage to get a different result of 37 switched ballots? And if the audit is correct, it means the Dominion machines are not reliable AT ALL.


Ghostmaker

And before you start dancing around cheering how 'the machines are correct'...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/georgia-county-cant-certify-election-results-recount-cant-duplicate-results-voting-machines/

They had to hand-recount theirs. Makes you wonder.

SHARK

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2020, 12:13:22 PM
And before you start dancing around cheering how 'the machines are correct'...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/georgia-county-cant-certify-election-results-recount-cant-duplicate-results-voting-machines/

They had to hand-recount theirs. Makes you wonder.

Greetings!

I am quite suspicious of the Dominion machines. Smartmatic, Dominion, and so on. Fuck all that BS. They need to hand count every ballot, verify identity and envelopes and signatures.

I am so sick of all of the margins and exceptions and excuses that these voting officials have.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
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Ratman_tf

Quote from: SHARK on December 09, 2020, 01:20:41 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2020, 12:13:22 PM
And before you start dancing around cheering how 'the machines are correct'...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/georgia-county-cant-certify-election-results-recount-cant-duplicate-results-voting-machines/

They had to hand-recount theirs. Makes you wonder.

Greetings!

I am quite suspicious of the Dominion machines. Smartmatic, Dominion, and so on. Fuck all that BS. They need to hand count every ballot, verify identity and envelopes and signatures.

I am so sick of all of the margins and exceptions and excuses that these voting officials have.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

They were probably programmed by those Marxists, Feminists, Liberals and Muslims from your college.
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Ratman_tf

Remember, hacking of voter machines was considered a serious possibility by "experts" when Trump won, but now, it's a conspiracy theory when Biden looks to be the "winner".

https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/801610035738673152
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jhkim

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
Yeah, the land ownership thing is supposedly from a Dominion rep. Digging to see where I found it.

Trying to find a clear answer is getting harder, even if you don't use a search engine that'll weigh your results. It'll be interesting to see who's right. If the lefties are correct, how the hell did the audit team manage to get a different result of 37 switched ballots? And if the audit is correct, it means the Dominion machines are not reliable AT ALL.

It's not uncommon for there to be human error on the orders of 0.1% in some hand counts, and there can also be human error in machine-fed counts. One of the counters could screw up and put a ballot into the wrong pile. Even with machine-fed counts, someone could screw up in feeding the right ballots into the machine.

This is exactly why we have recounts -- because we expect there to be some human error in the counts. And we can look and see that the recounts in any state never come up with the exact same number - because there is some margin of human error, usually between 0.01% and 0.1%. In Georgia, combining from all 159 counties, the 2020 recounts changed by around a thousand votes out of over 5 million cast, so around 0.03% change overall. Given 159 counties, there's bound to be some with more significant error in their recount, and some with less.

oggsmash

  The mere existence of Eric Coomer working for Dominion looks very bad.  I do not understand a voting machine business having such a partisan and outspoken person functioning as an executive.  Seems like they were asking for trouble.

Ghostmaker

And now Youtube is straight up ejecting anyone from their hugbox who mentions election fraud here in the U.S.

You know, I hate the idea of messing with Section 230. I think Trump made a huge blunder when he threatened to start vetoing over it.

But holy shit, you cannot tell me Youtube is merely a 'provider' when they (and their parent company Google) have been playing these games for so long.

What a pack of thuggish cretins.