2020 Election Commentary

[VisionStorm]

Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??

A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.

Pretty much. This is why I like to call the "We live in a republic, not a democracy" comments the "A lion is not a cat argument". It's just pointless hair splitting over the actual definition of things that actually do in fact fall within the category that's being discounted, it's just that it's a specific variant within that broader category. It's pedantic nonsense.

[Ghostmaker]

Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??

A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.

Pretty much. This is why I like to call the "We live in a republic, not a democracy" comments the "A lion is not a cat argument". It's just pointless hair splitting over the actual definition of things that actually do in fact fall within the category that's being discounted, it's just that it's a specific variant within that broader category. It's pedantic nonsense.

A better description might be 'democratic republic'. However, we are not a -pure- democracy which is what too many dimwitted shitheads seem to want -- until they're in the minority.

[moonsweeper]

In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.

Did they do the signature checks, or just recounted the fake ballots again?

They just recounted the 'fake' ones...it wasn't an authentication of the validity of any of the ballots.

[Mistwell]

Fap fap fap

The leftest masturbation continues.....

Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...

For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.

There you go with that masturbation talk again

Your kink is not OK.

Who are you to judge their kinks? Even if imaging you IS their kink?

[VisionStorm]

I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.

By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.

If you're such a champion for progressive causes, then why are you cheerleading for the election of a corporatist war criminal puppet who was involved in the destruction of Syria, Yemen and Libya, and his soon to be President, incarceration-happy Vice President, who laughed about ruining people's lives and opposed a DNA test that could exonerate an innocent man in death row? It's almost like this is purely about US political tribalism.

[Mistwell]

In other news, Georgia's SECOND recount has confirmed what we already knew. Biden has won Georgia. Again.

Did they do the signature checks, or just recounted the fake ballots again?

they always did signature checks in Georgia

[moonsweeper]

Uhhh...You do realize we are not a democracy, right??

A republic is a type of democracy. It's just not a direct democracy, except for ballot initiatives.

Pretty much. This is why I like to call the "We live in a republic, not a democracy" comments the "A lion is not a cat argument". It's just pointless hair splitting over the actual definition of things that actually do in fact fall within the category that's being discounted, it's just that it's a specific variant within that broader category. It's pedantic nonsense.

I was using it in the same sense as the Federalist/Anti-Federalist papers...meaning I was referring to a direct democracy because about 99% per cent of the population doesn't actually seem bright enough to understand the semantics you are referencing.

As for being pedantic...meh, that is about all that rawma deserves...

I mean Happy Daze is displaying a very humorous level of crazy, jhkim tries to hide his bias by using his intelligence and science background to lend a veneer of legitimacy to his disingenuous behavior, and mistwell tries to assert his neocon credentials to lend relevance to his decisions to support slave/concentration camp labor in China for his own financial gain...They are all entertaining at some level.

rawma on the other hand is just a progressive yes-man mouthing the typical platitudes...the least he could do is demonstrate some self-respect by being a better troll.

[Kyle Aaron]

I did not know this was an election measure.

"Fact: Biden won the presidency winning 85% of counties with a Whole Foods and 32% of counties with a Cracker Barrel"

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1336342894630858755

[Pat]

A better description might be 'democratic republic'. However, we are not a -pure- democracy which is what too many dimwitted shitheads seem to want -- until they're in the minority.

That's not even what they want. The people who wail about how the US is not a democracy are typically just decrying something like the Electoral College, and saying it should be replaced with a popular vote. But it doesn't matter how the public chooses them, if governmental power is delegated to selected representatives, then it's still a republic. In order to have a direct democracy, the US would have to get rid of Congress and have all legislation passed via ballot initiatives, and get rid of the presidency and replace it with town hall meetings where all executive action is the result of popular consensus. Something approximating that worked in the small towns of colonial New England, and in Athens and Republican Rome where the franchise was limited to a small class, but it isn't really feasible, with 250 million eligible voters.

[Mistwell]

Supreme Court dismisses Pennsylvania appeal:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/us/supreme-court-republican-challenge-pennsylvania-vote.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20201208&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline%C2%AEi_id=56601164&segment_id=46387&user_id=ea1aaef891f6d0d71553b9dfe3b32f82

[jhkim]

I would love to see an explanation as to how you feed equal numbers of votes into a Dominion machine, and it magically spits out a total that favors one side.

The Ware County audit should be setting off all sorts of alarm bells.

Do you have a source on this? As far as I can see, the origin of the stories I see is a screen shot of an email saying this:

Thank you for taking my call yesterday. I am writing to you to confirm our conversation of last week that on the hand recount that the Trump vote count went up to a total of 37 and Biden's count went down 37 or totals being Trump 9902 Biden 4174 and Jorgensen 116. Thank you for your response and your service to our country during these trying times.

The VoterGA activist group has interpreted this as being that the electronic counting machines produced this difference by some sort of software vote-flipping. They claim "the total electronic vote count shorted Donald Trump 37 votes and added those 37 votes to totals for Joe Biden. The 74 affected votes represents .52% of the 14,192 county votes cast, exactly double Biden's total statewide margin of .26%."

Source: https://voterga.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/press-release-dominion-flips-trump-votes-to-biden-in-ga-county.pdf

But both hand counts and machine-tabulated counts are subject to human error, where out of thousands of ballots, someone could make a human error putting them into the machine or putting them into the wrong pile. It's not uncommon for recounts to have a difference of 0.1%, which are almost always human error. Carlos Nelson, the Ware County Supervisor of Elections whose email was quoted, told First Coast News said that it was a human error in tabulating absentee ballots, which was corrected.

Source: https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/politics/ware-county-officials-dismiss-claims-of-voting-machine-flipping-trump-votes-to-biden/77-28863100-86f7-467e-bb85-2ab7fa2be45f

Meanwhile, this is being reported with headlines like: "Ware County tested Dominion tabulators: Equal number of votes yielded 26% 'lead' for Joe Biden"

Source: https://noqreport.com/2020/12/06/ware-county-tested-dominion-tabulators-equal-number-of-votes-yielded-26-lead-for-joe-biden/

Note how the headline changes 0.26% (26 out of 10,000) to 26% (26 out of 100).

[Mistwell]

"In any event, lawyers for the state wrote, the matter is largely moot, as the state's election results in favor of Joseph R. Biden Jr. have been certified and submitted. The challengers' remaining argument, they wrote, is that the Supreme Court should simply overturn the state's election results. That request, they wrote, was breathtaking and unconstitutional."

LOL. All of this whiny pussy bullshit by some Republicans will be ending very soon now.

[oggsmash]

I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.

By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.

No, you have not.  But I think you will.

[Shasarak]

jkin is right, the problem is not with the machines.

Keep your eye on the voter fraud ball : absentee ballots need signature comparison confirmation.

[oggsmash]

"In any event, lawyers for the state wrote, the matter is largely moot, as the state's election results in favor of Joseph R. Biden Jr. have been certified and submitted. The challengers' remaining argument, they wrote, is that the Supreme Court should simply overturn the state's election results. That request, they wrote, was breathtaking and unconstitutional."

LOL. All of this whiny pussy bullshit by some Republicans will be ending very soon now.

Nah.  It did not end for the past 4 years from the old democrats.  Pretty sure it will be more of similar BS from the right the next 4 years.