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2020 Election Commentary

Started by deadDMwalking, July 17, 2020, 04:22:33 PM

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EOTB

This guy, previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:

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HappyDaze

Quote from: EOTB on November 27, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
This guy, previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:


Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.

Anunnaki

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 27, 2020, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: EOTB on November 27, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
This guy, previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:


Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf

EOTB

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=H&SPick=20190&cosponId=32628&mobile_choice=suppress

It will be interesting to see what comes of this when it is introduced as a resolution as opposed to a memo stating it will be shortly filed as a resolution.

Apparently some experts don't agree with Mistwell that it's all over and we should just shut up at risk of being reckoned with :(
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EOTB

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rawma

Quote from: EOTB on November 27, 2020, 09:49:53 PM
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=H&SPick=20190&cosponId=32628&mobile_choice=suppress

It will be interesting to see what comes of this when it is introduced as a resolution as opposed to a memo stating it will be shortly filed as a resolution.

Apparently some experts don't agree with Mistwell that it's all over and we should just shut up at risk of being reckoned with :(

Probably nothing will come of it; the governor vetoes it if it actually tries to change any law, most likely. Their complaint is that some voters were disenfranchised and their solution is to disenfranchise everybody. But if the results of the 2020 Pennsylvania election are set aside then there are no members of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives as of 11/30 when their terms expire. That could be very entertaining.

The Insurrection Act thing is way more likely than flipping three states with this kind of disreputable shenanigans. The Pennsylvania courts have turned away most of this crap already.

Quote from: Anunnaki on November 27, 2020, 09:25:33 PM
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf

He believes that nefarious things were done but didn't directly observe them or evidence of them. He doesn't share the statistical evidence (which jhkim keeps asking for in other similar assertions) that seems to be the sole basis for his opinion. I assume those will be tried in the eventual court hearings.

Interestingly enough, there's a web page about blockchains that has explanations from "Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, SVP of Information Security for Deutsche Bank". Hmm. Reportedly the last bank willing to lend money to Donald Trump, fined in 2017 for money laundering Russian money, and maybe holding a lot of that $400 million of Trump debt that he probably won't be able to pay post-presidency. Hmm. Maybe it's a different Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, maybe it's a long past association, maybe it's just wrong or innocent, but you know that Trumpies would be chanting "Lock him up!" on a lot less - they're accusing Hugo Chavez who died in 2013 of rigging this election.

Quote from: EOTB on November 28, 2020, 12:32:52 AM
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (final arbiter of Pennsylvania state law) has already stayed McCullough's order. It's pretty obvious that complaints about the constitutionality of Act 77 should have been brought in the year between it being passed in 2019 and the November 2020 election. Any lawyers willing to explain laches to us?

HappyDaze

Quote from: Anunnaki on November 27, 2020, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 27, 2020, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: EOTB on November 27, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
This guy, previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:


Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
Thank you for the interesting read. He has a lot of conclusions for how it could have happened but he doesn't have proof it did. Still, it does show some areas that investigators should at least seek to explore (although some of the paths supposedly leave no traces, so...).

HappyDaze

Quote from: EOTB on November 28, 2020, 12:32:52 AM
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf
Interesting... I'd think that there would have been challenges made to Act 77 before accepting any ballots for the election (much less before accepting the results of the election). Waiting until people have already cast their mail-in votes and then deciding it is time to declare it unconstitutional doesn't seem right ("it's a trap").

HappyDaze

Quote from: rawma on November 28, 2020, 02:03:09 AM

Quote from: EOTB on November 28, 2020, 12:32:52 AM
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (final arbiter of Pennsylvania state law) has already stayed McCullough's order. It's pretty obvious that complaints about the constitutionality of Act 77 should have been brought in the year between it being passed in 2019 and the November 2020 election. Any lawyers willing to explain laches to us?
OK, that follows. I would like to see a little more on this piece, if you have links.


Mistwell

Milwaukee County presidential recount wraps up with Biden adding to his margin over Trump

This was a hand recount by the way, so no nefarious secret conspiracy plot to use the Dominion machines to throw the election to Biden or anything silly like that.

EOTB

Quote from: rawma on November 28, 2020, 02:03:09 AM

Probably nothing will come of it; the governor vetoes it if it actually tries to change any law, most likely. Their complaint is that some voters were disenfranchised and their solution is to disenfranchise everybody. But if the results of the 2020 Pennsylvania election are set aside then there are no members of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives as of 11/30 when their terms expire. That could be very entertaining.

The Insurrection Act thing is way more likely than flipping three states with this kind of disreputable shenanigans. The Pennsylvania courts have turned away most of this crap already.

I don't believe the law requires any changes; their point being that the election wasn't handled according to the law/constitution. 

Quote from: rawma on November 28, 2020, 02:03:09 AM
Quote from: Anunnaki on November 27, 2020, 09:25:33 PM
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf

He believes that nefarious things were done but didn't directly observe them or evidence of them. He doesn't share the statistical evidence (which jhkim keeps asking for in other similar assertions) that seems to be the sole basis for his opinion. I assume those will be tried in the eventual court hearings.

Interestingly enough, there's a web page about blockchains that has explanations from "Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, SVP of Information Security for Deutsche Bank". Hmm. Reportedly the last bank willing to lend money to Donald Trump, fined in 2017 for money laundering Russian money, and maybe holding a lot of that $400 million of Trump debt that he probably won't be able to pay post-presidency. Hmm. Maybe it's a different Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, maybe it's a long past association, maybe it's just wrong or innocent, but you know that Trumpies would be chanting "Lock him up!" on a lot less - they're accusing Hugo Chavez who died in 2013 of rigging this election.

It's because you don't understand how rich people make money (including when $400M in debt is unusual and when it is not) that rich people will continue to legally pay less taxes than you do.

Quote from: rawma on November 28, 2020, 02:03:09 AM
Quote from: EOTB on November 28, 2020, 12:32:52 AM
https://www.marklevinshow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/301/2020/11/Memorandum-Opinion-Filed.pdf

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (final arbiter of Pennsylvania state law) has already stayed McCullough's order. It's pretty obvious that complaints about the constitutionality of Act 77 should have been brought in the year between it being passed in 2019 and the November 2020 election. Any lawyers willing to explain laches to us?

There is no time limit on determining a law is out of constitutional order
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EOTB

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 28, 2020, 08:56:45 AM
Quote from: Anunnaki on November 27, 2020, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 27, 2020, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: EOTB on November 27, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
This guy, previously lauded by the NYT and possessing world-class expertise and credentials, states:


Where is the rest of his statement? I'd like to read over the parts that lead him to his conclusion.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
Thank you for the interesting read. He has a lot of conclusions for how it could have happened but he doesn't have proof it did. Still, it does show some areas that investigators should at least seek to explore (although some of the paths supposedly leave no traces, so...).

I think many people (in addition to not understanding how rich people make their taxes) don't understand what "proof" is, when it is needed, and the standard behind how judges make their decisions.  No one is on trial for murder here.
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