2020 Election Commentary

[Shasarak]

Say what you will about the evils of Nepotism because on the other hand we have peace in the Middle East.

Billy Carter arranged the Camp David Accords? Or Roger Clinton gets credit for the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty?

Oh, you mean normalization of relations between Israel and countries that never fought wars with Israel. 

Yes, that is what peace means "normalisation"

[Mistwell]

Guys why not put these assholes in your ignore list?  They clearly want to waste your time and have nothing to say.  They are trolls.

Oh please, if we put everyone on ignore for being an asshole on this board on occasion, the entire message board would be on ignore. It's practically the theme of this message board that you will, in fact, encounter people sometimes behaving like an asshole here. It's part of the theme of free speech here, and the idea that dissent is sometimes rough around the edges. If you cannot handle dissent, maybe this is not the place for you?

[Mistwell]

I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.

Arizona has now been called for Biden now by the way. With Arizona and Nevada going Biden, they never even needed Pennsylvania for example. Biden got as many electoral votes as Trump did last election now. So take a look at the math, and you can count for yourself just how many states you'd have to have massive election fraud to change this overall result.

[Ratman_tf]

I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.

Kinda like how Trump is supposed to be a complete moron, and yet a fascist mastermind.

[Mistwell]

The non-Partisan Cook Political Report released an electoral map based on how they rate each state.  They currently rate 279 electoral votes as solid/likely/lean Democrat and 187 electoral votes as solid/likely/lean Republican.  Compared to Real Clear Politics which includes Missouri and Texas as toss-ups, the Cook Political report is assigning them to Trump, along with Iowa and Ohio.  Even with that, winning the 72 electoral votes listed as 'toss-up' (which is comprised of Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina, as well as a Maine district) Biden would win 279 to 259.  It would require Trump to run the table and poach at least one large State from the Lean Democrat column. 

Looking at the chart in the first post...it played out almost exactly like that. Biden got about half of the toss-ups in the middle, Trump got about half of the toss-ups in the middle, and everything else played out like they had predicted way back in July.

[Mistwell]

I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.

Kinda like how Trump is supposed to be a complete moron, and yet a fascist mastermind.

I never bought into either of those. They were also absurd. He's neither a moron, nor a fascist.

But, he did lose the election. And I think that loss is on him. It wouldn't have taken much different from him to have won.

[Ratman_tf]

I particularly love how "The Democrats are incompetent" is somehow now seen as compatible with "The Democrats pulled off a conspiracy in 8 states simultaneously to change the federal election". Though somehow they couldn't pull off that same fraud, with those same ballots, to get the Senate or increase their seats in the House or the State legislatures. Because...reasons.

Kinda like how Trump is supposed to be a complete moron, and yet a fascist mastermind.

I never bought into either of those. They were also absurd. He's neither a moron, nor a fascist.

But, he did lose the election. And I think that loss is on him. It wouldn't have taken much different from him to have won.

No one has won or lost. The electors haven't even been selected yet.

[Mordred Pendragon]

"In this fair country, even the oxy fiends and the corpses get the vote!"
-Charles "Chuck the Butcher" Schumer, 2020 AD

"Only voted twice? You call that doing your civic duty?"
-Random Antifa Thug, 2020 AD

[jeff37923]

Also, what would a Biden cabinet look like?

Non-criminal. Non-nepotistic. Competent.

Obviously you haven't heard about Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden......

[oggsmash]

 The thing that is going to go sour, no matter who is in the white house, is the press has made some missteps here.  We all knew they were extremely biased, and now with people like Tapper and Cuomo (remember they are the network who hunted down the dude posting memes and got him to *change his ways*) and their comments.... THey are going to trigger that Tim mcveigh out there.  When that happens, instead of an entire country understanding how evil and bad someone like that is, there is going to be a whole lot of "I see how someone could do something like that".  Combine that with the stink of mail in ballots, and there are going to be problems.  Leftists, and the glorious CNN and their ilk have put a stamp of approval on "peaceful protests" and we are going to end up seeing numbers like they had in Richmond over the 2A issues there, with crowds 20k strong, only this time some of those people are going to be right on the edge.  This will explode in violence, of a large scale.  I have some hopes it will be contained to one city/event and not escalate to fertilizer bombs or several cities at once popping off. 

    Leftists are completely self unaware in much of this, calling for unity after 4+ years of calling people nazis and white supremacists for even voting for trump.  This is going to go sideways.  I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast.  What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country.  I think it is going to be chaos,  I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Listen and Learn. The Dan Bongino program is very enlightening.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[oggsmash]

  Yeah, having a corporation with a VP who is VEHEMENTY anti trump that runs the voting machines, and who posted a nice long "response" letter from Antifa may not be the best look.

[Ratman_tf]

    Leftists are completely self unaware in much of this, calling for unity after 4+ years of calling people nazis and white supremacists for even voting for trump.  This is going to go sideways.  I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast.  What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country.  I think it is going to be chaos,  I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.

This really smacks of... fuck I don't know what to call it. It's psychotic to expect half of America to swing from 1984 style hate sessions to loving their fellow citizens because the correct crusty old white man appears to be the new President.

And I expect Biden to lock America down hard if he becomes President regardless of protests.

[jhkim]

The thing that is going to go sour, no matter who is in the white house, is the press has made some missteps here.  We all knew they were extremely biased, and now with people like Tapper and Cuomo (remember they are the network who hunted down the dude posting memes and got him to *change his ways*) and their comments.... THey are going to trigger that Tim mcveigh out there.  When that happens, instead of an entire country understanding how evil and bad someone like that is, there is going to be a whole lot of "I see how someone could do something like that".

This is going to go sideways.  I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast.  What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country.  I think it is going to be chaos,  I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.

I tend to agree that with increased hyper-partisanship, we're more likely to see something like this. We've already had major events like last year's El Paso shooting that killed 23, so it's not a stretch to imagine that it might escalate towards a 168-death attack like McVeigh's.

However, that said, I think that while there would be more who support such an attack - the vast majority would abhor it, and it would overall reduce the popularity of their cause. This year, I think the violence associated with the George Floyd protests hurt the popularity of Black Lives Matter. That has pushed liberals more towards the center. I think acts of violence would similarly hurt the popularity of the right-wing causes.

We'll still be hyper-partisan because social media and other sources profit from outrage and clickbait, but once it starts being real-life violence instead of clicks on one's smartphone, the mainstream lose their taste for the extreme.

[oggsmash]

The thing that is going to go sour, no matter who is in the white house, is the press has made some missteps here.  We all knew they were extremely biased, and now with people like Tapper and Cuomo (remember they are the network who hunted down the dude posting memes and got him to *change his ways*) and their comments.... THey are going to trigger that Tim mcveigh out there.  When that happens, instead of an entire country understanding how evil and bad someone like that is, there is going to be a whole lot of "I see how someone could do something like that".

This is going to go sideways.  I have said it for well over a year, and I think it is going to get bad fast.  What happens after that first flare will determine the future of the country.  I think it is going to be chaos,  I think there will be an attempt for large scale lockdown loosely citing covid to prevent protesting, which used to be covid proof, but I guess protests are no longer covid proof.

I tend to agree that with increased hyper-partisanship, we're more likely to see something like this. We've already had major events like last year's El Paso shooting that killed 23, so it's not a stretch to imagine that it might escalate towards a 168-death attack like McVeigh's.

However, that said, I think that while there would be more who support such an attack - the vast majority would abhor it, and it would overall reduce the popularity of their cause. This year, I think the violence associated with the George Floyd protests hurt the popularity of Black Lives Matter. That has pushed liberals more towards the center. I think acts of violence would similarly hurt the popularity of the right-wing causes.

We'll still be hyper-partisan because social media and other sources profit from outrage and clickbait, but once it starts being real-life violence instead of clicks on one's smartphone, the mainstream lose their taste for the extreme.

El paso was not political, it was a nut off his meds.  You will get something political, something like what you see when cells in France decide to do something, like the Bataclan.   The El paso shooting was as political as the dude at the pulse night club IMO.  Not so much.  McVeigh, on its face is more what you should expect.  A cell of 10 trained men can do insurmountable damage.  They also are not so likely to shoot wal mart shoppers, and a whole lot more likely to pop into CNN while broadcasting and make a mess.
  You speak of what the mainstream loses their taste for, right now according to a large portion of left media, ANY support of Trump is not mainstream.  It is radical.  If you tell people they are radicals, call them radicals, threaten their futures because they are radicals, you are going to frigging get radicals. 
  I am sure plenty of people in 1776 didnt love the idea of killing anyone.  But they damn sure did it, didnt they?