Quote from: Opaopajr;1052155Yeah, that's doubly bothersome to me, for the reasons you mentioned. This is breaking one's code of honor to use an advantage upon others for harm -- which makes his sucker punching, and gloating about it, even more disgraceful. And to be an instructor?!

This is a bad example for civil behavior and the use of power. Charges should be pressed. What was done was not moral or civil.

Yeah. I mean, I know there's McDojos everywhere, but every school I've trained at emphasized that if you were ever caught picking fights, you would be immediately banned from the practice. The thought of an instructor doing so is galling. This is probably my bias showing through, but I bet he teaches sport style, and not combat style. In my experience, combat style practitioners are much less gloaty, since they're well aware that one bout of bad luck can really fuck you up.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1052156I'm fairly unrevved on this one. This entire thing is more humorous than infuriating. It sucks that Jeremy got attacked, but the fact that the nutty lefties are acting like this is how the world needs to work is gold, because the normies are on the verge of pulling a Scooby Gang and peeling the mask off the monster.

I can understand (but not agree with) the people who see this event as someone awful getting their just comeuppance. But the people advocating repeat performances just strike me as the type that never leave their echo chambers. Yeah, I'd take a grim satisfaction in seeing some of the people I disagree with getting sucker punched. But it wouldn't solve any of the issues I have with those people. Most, it would probably just make worse. They really need to realise that they're advocating for might makes right, and in that situation, it's not the nice people at the top of the food chain.

Quote from: Omega;1051854The fact GenCon is promoting a designer who walked off with 15 grand of backers money is nearly more onerous than the offsite attack. This is up there with Origins nominating or giving Zwiehander an award recently.

I laughed, but seriously, none of these are as onerous as the attack.

Which is saying something

Quote from: Xyxox;1051856I've basically given up here because there is no discussing anything with GGers.

#Winning

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051869Unwelcome commentary. He made her feel uncomfortabe. And yes, that is good enough of a claim for her to have made.

Being able to make unwelcome commentary is the whole reason we have free speech laws in the first place!

Quote from: Koltar;1051886So truthfully "Gencon" doesn't have to comment on it at all.

They do if they have any interest in enforcing their own code of conduct. Unless of course they claim it doesn't apply to offsite behavior, which would be a nice change of pace from the companies which do.

Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1051896Oh, it is being discussed over on TPG in the tangency area, if by discussion you mean falling all over themselves agreeing with the line and moderators swarming all over anyone who disagrees. I may or may not be banned but I'm not going back to find out.

Is someone willing to? As I'd like to know for my own safety.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1051997They are also the biggest group of gropers I've ever seen.  Female cosplayers and women in general will grope, fondle and squeeze boldly both male and female cosplayers.  And that's OK.  But if a man were to touch on the shoulder a female cosplayer?  Out of the con he goes.

It's complicated.

Quote from: jeff37923;1052053More calls for increased violence against Hambly.

And the article in question has been removed, only to be replaced by two articles which condemn the assault:

"Guest of Honor" supporter Assaults Attendee
GenCon Promoting a Thugs Game

Quote from: tenbones;1052113Sweet Galactus! I've SEEN this at a Con. In fact it was the first time I'd ever seen grown men fight over a game - Diplomacy! Even among my friends, back in the day - we were all super-competitive, Diplomacy caused real feuds at our table (if only for the night). That's hilarious, I'd forgotten about all that.

Interesting.

I wonder what political agenda the left thinks that's pushing.

Today, Jeremy posted part of an interview where the attacker is talking about the time at Gen Con 2004 where he "punched that guy".  So, he's done this thing before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Mkl_sbCZI&t=115s
The relevant part is at 1:34

The interviewer is with Dice Tower and I'm trying to track the original down.

Quote from: Broken Twin;1052137There's zero point in me joining either side's crusade in the meantime.

I agree. My take is that unless Hambly goes full court press for justice against Jackass McFuckstick, it doesn't even matter that the attack happened.

In fact, then my bile would turn on Hambly because if this SJW shitstain gets away with assault, then you can bet on lots more political violence at GenCon 2019 and beyond.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1052219I agree. My take is that unless Hambly goes full court press for justice against Jackass McFuckstick, it doesn't even matter that the attack happened.

In fact, then my bile would turn on Hambly because if this SJW shitstain gets away with assault, then you can bet on lots more political violence at GenCon 2019 and beyond.

He's not.  His video of late are of him talking about the after effects, also that he's pursuing a criminal litigation and potential civil one as well.  However, it seems he's being stymied because of his appearance and his politics.

Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1052048Mebbe, mebbe not. He's a martial arts instructor and he thinks he's pretty bad. He was always pleasant to me in his store but I was a customer.

Man, I have to say, for a supposed 'martial arts instructor' he sure sucked ass.  The dude attacked a guy by surprise, who didn't fight back, and only gave him a couple of light bruises and scratches; the worst injury  he apparently did was skin-burn from tearing at the guy's shirt like a pussy.

At the same time, all these assholes giving Hambly a hard time for not being a secret ninja are dumbasses.  Hambly did exactly the right thing under the circumstances; he didn't try to fight back, he withdrew. Even if Hambly was some kind of badass karate master, he was taken by surprise (his one real mistake was sitting in a position where he was vulnerable to that type of surprise attack) and probably off-balance, and he had no way of knowing if there weren't 3 more of these antifa-terrorists ready to beat him to death with bike locks. Had he tried to punch back, it not only would have been much riskier for him, but it also would have turned a clear case of assault into a "bar fight" and made it much  hard to hit this fucking cunt where it will REALLY hurt: his wallet.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052239Man, I have to say, for a supposed 'martial arts instructor' he sure sucked ass.  The dude attacked a guy by surprise, who didn't fight back, and only gave him a couple of light bruises and scratches; the worst injury  he apparently did was skin-burn from tearing at the guy's shirt like a pussy.

At the same time, all these assholes giving Hambly a hard time for not being a secret ninja are dumbasses.  Hambly did exactly the right thing under the circumstances; he didn't try to fight back, he withdrew. Even if Hambly was some kind of badass karate master, he was taken by surprise (his one real mistake was sitting in a position where he was vulnerable to that type of surprise attack) and probably off-balance, and he had no way of knowing if there weren't 3 more of these antifa-terrorists ready to beat him to death with bike locks. Had he tried to punch back, it not only would have been much riskier for him, but it also would have turned a clear case of assault into a "bar fight" and made it much  hard to hit this fucking cunt where it will REALLY hurt: his wallet.

He had also stated he had been drinking for awhile before the assault. So even if he was trained, being drunk would have affected his ability to use any training.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1052178Is someone willing to? As I'd like to know for my own safety.
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Willing to..?  What exactly do you want to know?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052239Man, I have to say, for a supposed 'martial arts instructor' he sure sucked ass.  The dude attacked a guy by surprise, who didn't fight back, and only gave him a couple of light bruises and scratches; the worst injury  he apparently did was skin-burn from tearing at the guy's shirt like a pussy.

At the same time, all these assholes giving Hambly a hard time for not being a secret ninja are dumbasses.  Hambly did exactly the right thing under the circumstances; he didn't try to fight back, he withdrew. Even if Hambly was some kind of badass karate master, he was taken by surprise (his one real mistake was sitting in a position where he was vulnerable to that type of surprise attack) and probably off-balance, and he had no way of knowing if there weren't 3 more of these antifa-terrorists ready to beat him to death with bike locks. Had he tried to punch back, it not only would have been much riskier for him, but it also would have turned a clear case of assault into a "bar fight" and made it much  hard to hit this fucking cunt where it will REALLY hurt: his wallet.

I was thinking that too... He apparently had 5 punches on Jeremy and managed to do... well... nothing. Which tells me he's not hitting heavy bags. Because people who do, can inflict massive amounts of damage. And Jeremy did the right thing to flee and call the Police.

The first thing we tell our students is:

1) Don't be there in the first place - But unfortunately bad people like to go to good places.
2) Always be 'aware' of any possible threats - And that they could be carrying a weapon and have mates.
3) GTFO before it develops and always trust your gut - Ideal, but not always possible. You could be on a subway as an example.
4) If you can't escape, 'deescalate' (and control you space) - However, some people can't be reasoned with, or you just won't have time before an immanent attack.
5) If you are in 'genuine fear' for you life, then attack first and continue attacking until the threat is down. Do not punish... Just use reasonable force to escape.
6) Evacuate - Make sure you write an account of what happened. As the effects of adrenaline can make things murky later.

It takes many steps to get to step 5!

Quote from: urbwar;1052242He had also stated he had been drinking for awhile before the assault. So even if he was trained, being drunk would have affected his ability to use any training.

Absolutely... This will have a significant effect.

Maybe he didn't  want  to use his dim-mak technique . Reallly, most likely  the intent wasn't  to knock the guy out cold.  Still cowardly to sucker punch someone who isn't  an imminent  physical  threat.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052239Man, I have to say, for a supposed 'martial arts instructor' he sure sucked ass.  The dude attacked a guy by surprise, who didn't fight back, and only gave him a couple of light bruises and scratches; the worst injury  he apparently did was skin-burn from tearing at the guy's shirt like a pussy.

Actually Hambly has a bloody eye where the creep hit him in the face and broke his glasses and damaged his eye. The eye damage part could have been damn serious.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1052257Maybe he didn't  want  to use his dim-mak technique . Reallly, most likely  the intent wasn't  to knock the guy out cold.  Still cowardly to sucker punch someone who isn't  an imminent  physical  threat.

He hit him hard enough to break Hambleys glasses and burst blood vessels in one of his eyes.

I don't know who either of these guys are (just learning about them both) but if he had a concussion, you wouldn't see that (and in a video someone linked, it appeared to me he may well have had a concussion---though not having seen him before, I am not a good judge of his normal facial expression). On the topic of punching. I am not particularly concerned about how good or bad the attacker was at martial arts. But I can say, heavy bag training, while it improves power, doesn't teach you how to knock a person out. People often look great on a heavy bag, great on drills, but sparring is where you really learn how to implement that stuff. And knocking out a person isn't easy, even if you are good. That is a very difficult thing to do and even against someone surprised, they are going to move their head, even naturally cage up. Some people are better at taking punches than other people. If there is a difference in size between the attacker and defender, that also will affect things. If he was just angry and throwing wild punches, he might not have even been trying to knock him out. Bottom line though is, punching someone on a paved or wood surface is not a good idea (punching a person anywhere isn't a good idea in my opinion). If a person gets knocked out standing and then collapses on the ground, that second impact can do tremendous damage to the brain if the circumstances are right. The chances of killing a person are narrow but not zero. Either way, this stuff seems like a police matter to me. It is still illegal to assault people. If he was attacked, he can press charges.

Edit: Conditioning also matters. A person can be trained for years in martial arts. But if they are not in good shape, or don't train regularly anymore, they won't be especially effective. I had to stop training about 8 years ago for health reasons and would probably run out of breath in the first ten seconds if I tried to spar.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1051963You obviously have no experience in the media.

For photos and videos, the person whose likeness is being used has to grant their permission in writing. Otherwise, said media outlet isn't legally allowed to use it. That's how it works in the United States.

And yes. Hambly is considered an independant journalist by the very existance of his channel on Youtube.

You are really stupid. What you said isn't true at all. What country do you live in? He didn't harass her. Harassment has a legal definition. Nothing he did would fall under it. He said he dind't think cosplayers were part of the hobby and he said too many of them are only doing it to collect money from thirsty nerds. That isn't harassment. That isn't slander. He used one of her photos and she issued a copyright strike against him. That's all that happened. No harassment.

Stop making shit up. The guy is a jerk. The guy is a troll. He didn't do what you're saying he did.

Having a YouTube channel != journalist. Moron.