Quote from: Omega;1052260He hit him hard enough to break Hambleys glasses and burst blood vessels in one of his eyes.

His glasses were not broken per se but scratched (according to Jeremly's latest vid).

However, if it had been a sustained attack, it could have been much worse for Jeremy. I mean, from the evidence, the attacker definitely wanted to hurt him badly. It wasn't a case of just delivering one or two digs and then just leaving. So luckily he couldn't get into the pub. I really hope they  throw the book at the guy.

And interestingly enough, it looks like the mental midget attacker has done it before at another GenCon. Well, that is to say, Jeremy has a vid of him admitting to punching another chap a few years ago during an interview. Worth a watch!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052239Man, I have to say, for a supposed 'martial arts instructor' he sure sucked ass.  The dude attacked a guy by surprise, who didn't fight back, and only gave him a couple of light bruises and scratches; the worst injury  he apparently did was skin-burn from tearing at the guy's shirt like a pussy.

At the same time, all these assholes giving Hambly a hard time for not being a secret ninja are dumbasses.  Hambly did exactly the right thing under the circumstances; he didn't try to fight back, he withdrew. Even if Hambly was some kind of badass karate master, he was taken by surprise (his one real mistake was sitting in a position where he was vulnerable to that type of surprise attack) and probably off-balance, and he had no way of knowing if there weren't 3 more of these antifa-terrorists ready to beat him to death with bike locks. Had he tried to punch back, it not only would have been much riskier for him, but it also would have turned a clear case of assault into a "bar fight" and made it much  hard to hit this fucking cunt where it will REALLY hurt: his wallet.

That last is vital. Once it is "a fight," the police don't think finding out who is at fault is worth the effort. You both go in or, if you're lucky and no one has serious injuries, they let you both go.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1052178Interesting.

I wonder what political agenda the left thinks that's pushing.

Diplomacy is serious gaming bro. Serious GAMING!!!!


And this guy isn't a Martial Artist. Clearly he's a Rogue. SNEAK ATTACK!

Quote from: Omega;1051854The fact GenCon is promoting a designer who walked off with 15 grand of backers money is nearly more onerous than the offsite attack. This is up there with Origins nominating or giving Zwiehander an award recently.

I also saw the Zwiehander guys did a speech at Gencon on the front page of twitch. They posted about it on enworld -  https://www.twitch.tv/videos/293412926?t=01h46m30s

/twitches

edit - but its not a bad talk. sorta interesting story to hear how the game was born from the basement to alot of sales

This allegedly happened in Indiana. He should have called the police immediately and began prosecution the hour of the alleged incident.

I'm not sure any of this happened simply because no arrest were made. IMPD has zero qualms arresting people. They round up the homeless before the conventions and tell them to hide in a homeless camp or go to jail for bit.

Daily Wire picks up story.

Daily Caller picks up story.

Campus Reform picks up story.

Brietbart picks up story.

Campus Reform independently verified the Police are investigating and the police report, and that Gen Con is investigating. A couple of the above articles quote a witness statement as well.

Quote from: Broken Twin;1052093Is it wrong that this part angers me more than anything else? As someone who trained in martial arts for a significant portion of my life, we were always taught that violence was a last resort. Deescalate, disengage, then if nothing else works, destroy. A student would be bad enough, but an instructor? His school should be blacklisted. If his students had any moral bearing at all, they'd walk out the door upon learning their teacher assaulted without provocation someone who was not threatening him.

That is, of course, assuming the event in question actually happened. Seriously sounds like it did though. Has anybody even tangentially related to the incident denied it occurring?

I'm with you on this:).
I mean, I know that in history, martial arts have often been used to resolve political and financial matters. But at the same time, there have always been practitioners that held to a higher standard...maybe I'm just being a Romanticist, though;).

And yes, you're also right that this is a very stupid move from either party. I mean, if you start acting like skinheads, what do you think the actual skinheads are likely to do? Sue you:p?

As we mentioned above, there's two kinds of laws. That was a stupid move from either point of view - which is an achievement.

Quote from: tenbones;1051983You know? That's a much deeper question than the surface glance might imply. (or maybe it's just my biased view).

I was never the "nerd" in school but I did all the hardcore nerd stuff on my own away from the "cool kids" D&D among them. My D&D group was comprised of non-nerds I converted to play D&D so my experience with "gaming community" in the late 70's/early 80's was limited (mostly to protecting them from people picking on them. But play with them? Negative Ghostrider.) It wasn't until I left high-school and started running games at Con's where I really got exposed to the larger gaming populace and the insular weirdness of it all.

My current opinion is that it's the insular nerdzerkers now pretending in their own minds that their hobbies have gone mainstream have gone to their fucking heads. In a *bazillion* years I'd never have imagined some wannabe tatted up gaming-gangster would take themselves so seriously as to roll up on someone and physically attack them. Now those idiots have some secular religion that they have become True Believers(tm) in and act accordingly.

These are people that don't really understand real-life violence pretending they do. I don't hold Quartering to blame at all - I'm merely pointing out his attacker, if he keeps that shit up, he'll try it with the wrong person and hard lessons will be learned.

So - yeah. The sub-divisions of the Idiot Tribe are alive and well in our hobby.

Yeah, I'm sure he would. But your explanation why some people are starting to act weird lately actually makes a worrying amount of sense!
Nerds fighting to be accepted... Oh, humanity, thou hast played a big joke on those guys!

And yes, your prognosis is the likely outcome. That is, if he doesn't get sent to prison for assault first.
I shudder to think what he might learn there, and at what price.

Quote from: tenbones;1052113Sweet Galactus! I've SEEN this at a Con. In fact it was the first time I'd ever seen grown men fight over a game - Diplomacy! Even among my friends, back in the day - we were all super-competitive, Diplomacy caused real feuds at our table (if only for the night). That's hilarious, I'd forgotten about all that.

Seriously? Over Diplomacy, of all games?
Did they count as going to war over that;)?

Quote from: Broken Twin;1052160I can understand (but not agree with) the people who see this event as someone awful getting their just comeuppance. But the people advocating repeat performances just strike me as the type that never leave their echo chambers. Yeah, I'd take a grim satisfaction in seeing some of the people I disagree with getting sucker punched. But it wouldn't solve any of the issues I have with those people. Most, it would probably just make worse. They really need to realise that they're advocating for might makes right, and in that situation, it's not the nice people at the top of the food chain.

Yup, they need to, because assholes actually tend to have way more experience with violence. But you can't get through the background noise in their echo chambers...

Quote from: RPGPundit;1052239Man, I have to say, for a supposed 'martial arts instructor' he sure sucked ass.  The dude attacked a guy by surprise, who didn't fight back, and only gave him a couple of light bruises and scratches; the worst injury  he apparently did was skin-burn from tearing at the guy's shirt like a pussy.

At the same time, all these assholes giving Hambly a hard time for not being a secret ninja are dumbasses.  Hambly did exactly the right thing under the circumstances; he didn't try to fight back, he withdrew. Even if Hambly was some kind of badass karate master, he was taken by surprise (his one real mistake was sitting in a position where he was vulnerable to that type of surprise attack) and probably off-balance, and he had no way of knowing if there weren't 3 more of these antifa-terrorists ready to beat him to death with bike locks. Had he tried to punch back, it not only would have been much riskier for him, but it also would have turned a clear case of assault into a "bar fight" and made it much  hard to hit this fucking cunt where it will REALLY hurt: his wallet.

Also, Pundit's advice is good, people. If you can run when assaulted, run!
In the event that you get chased, and need to fight back, you'd have a much easier time proving who the aggressor was;).

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1052264On the topic of punching. I am not particularly concerned about how good or bad the attacker was at martial arts. But I can say, heavy bag training, while it improves power, doesn't teach you how to knock a person out. People often look great on a heavy bag, great on drills, but sparring is where you really learn how to implement that stuff.

Yep, I was just going to join to say that hitting the heavy bag and hitting another man isn't exactly the same thing;).
And yes, his martial arts skills are immaterial. But what forum discussion of a violent incident would demand that everyone abstains from being armchair badasses and connoisseurs of fighting techniques:D?

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1052264I don't know who either of these guys are (just learning about them both) but if he had a concussion, you wouldn't see that (and in a video someone linked, it appeared to me he may well have had a concussion---though not having seen him before, I am not a good judge of his normal facial expression). On the topic of punching. I am not particularly concerned about how good or bad the attacker was at martial arts. But I can say, heavy bag training, while it improves power, doesn't teach you how to knock a person out. People often look great on a heavy bag, great on drills, but sparring is where you really learn how to implement that stuff. And knocking out a person isn't easy, even if you are good...

All no doubt true.

But we've had a few cases in Melbourne over the last few years where a sucker punch like this in a bar has resulted in death or permanent brain damage.  It may not be all that statistically likely, but it can happen.

So it's worth pointing out to those who say he had it coming - that with a bit of bad luck - this sort of attack could be a lot worse.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1052342This allegedly happened in Indiana. He should have called the police immediately and began prosecution the hour of the alleged incident.

I'm not sure any of this happened simply because no arrest were made. IMPD has zero qualms arresting people. They round up the homeless before the conventions and tell them to hide in a homeless camp or go to jail for bit.

Alleged? Are you really that ignorant? Go back and read where a report was filed and police are investigating.

I'm starting to regret having bought that box of Diplomacy at 10$ when the boxstote in my town area. Then again like real diplomacy betrayals do happen so why expect it not to in a boardgame based on diplomacy.

Looks like GenCon have finally issued a response on Facebook (more to follow apparently).

Quote from: The Exploited.;1052367Looks like GenCon have finally issued a response on Facebook (more to follow apparently).

I tried looking at it, but I didn't find the statement. Do you have a scrrenshot or link to the statement?

Quote from: sureshot;1052366I'm starting to regret having bought that box of Diplomacy at 10$ when the boxstote in my town area. Then again like real diplomacy betrayals do happen so why expect it not to in a boardgame based on diplomacy.

Diplomacy is notorious as the "Destroyer of Friendships". You can even get a T-shirt from Avalon Hill for the 50th anniversary reprint.

Lol, I remember shouting matches in the school library many years ago in my High school days over games of Diplomacy on lunch breaks.

Back in the 90s, I knew Diplomacy players who only play while wearing silly hats, and they buy outrageous RenFaire hats just for their games. It was their convention rule to keep the crazy in check. That game brings out the absolute worst in some people.