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WOTC's big mistake - Giving us a survey

Started by Cathode Ray, March 12, 2024, 07:47:07 PM

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Cathode Ray

This is a big mistake, because many of us will tell Wizards of the Woke exactly what we think.
https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/7750520/2024-Q1-Community-Survey

They're pretty cowardly, in my opinion, because there are no places for essay questions.
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RNGm

Will the results be published automatically without their ability to tweak the responses/results?  If not, it's not a big mistake because they can ignore it and just pay lip service to the parts they wanted to change anyways instead.

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Quote from: Cathode Ray on March 12, 2024, 07:47:07 PM
This is a big mistake, because many of us will tell Wizards of the Woke exactly what we think.
https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/7750520/2024-Q1-Community-Survey

They're pretty cowardly, in my opinion, because there are no places for essay questions.

Cox: "Wow, they really don't like us!"

Williams: "Yeah, good thing we fired most of our staff."

RNGm

Is there any proof that this is a survey done by WOTC instead of just a random joe setting it up?

David Johansen

Well, it jumped from 50% to 100% based on my answers.  I'm guessing I'm not who they're looking to hear from.  Ah, well, my answers are a bit weird as I closed my store down six months ago.  And yeah, I had D&D books on the shelf and yeah, I suggested them to people.  If I do another store I probably won't bother carrying D&D again.  It's a weird thing but in reality I probably won't bother having another store.  11 years was enough to make me not like gamers very much :D
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Quote from: RNGm on March 12, 2024, 09:52:38 PM
Is there any proof that this is a survey done by WOTC instead of just a random joe setting it up?

It's a fair question but yes, this is from WOTC. alchemer is what they use for these.

honeydipperdavid

It depends on how WotC is sampling, online is just horribad for sampling. 

If they go to D&D Beyond, they'll get the demiqueer foxkin looking for 12 year old boys to teach race marxism and share puberty blocker type crowd, they will love the current direction of D&D. 

Meanwhile, if they went to the hobby shops where people still play, they'll most likely get good responses from the players.  The DM's response will be negative because we have to convert older content to 5E to keep players player.  The amount of work I've had to do is too damn high.  I'm just rerunning a current campaign with my hobby shop group I built for my online group due to the prep time it requires now to fix 5E shit.

To me, this survey looks to be manipulated to give WotC a better appearance with its customers for Hasbro.  Why?  They don't ask if you are a DM.  Wotc knows DM's hate the shit WotC is shoveling and they know DM's do the bulk of spend.  DM's are the whales and players are minnows at best.  I've had players come to the shop, won't fucking buy dice even from the shop or a mini and roll dice on their phone.  The fuckers use a penny as their character on the map.  Some players are that damn cheap.  And then you got the DM in training players who spend like a DM.  I've had a few go that route as well.

Exploderwizard

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 13, 2024, 01:45:52 AM
It depends on how WotC is sampling, online is just horribad for sampling. 

If they go to D&D Beyond, they'll get the demiqueer foxkin looking for 12 year old boys to teach race marxism and share puberty blocker type crowd, they will love the current direction of D&D. 

Meanwhile, if they went to the hobby shops where people still play, they'll most likely get good responses from the players.  The DM's response will be negative because we have to convert older content to 5E to keep players player.  The amount of work I've had to do is too damn high.  I'm just rerunning a current campaign with my hobby shop group I built for my online group due to the prep time it requires now to fix 5E shit.

To me, this survey looks to be manipulated to give WotC a better appearance with its customers for Hasbro.  Why?  They don't ask if you are a DM.  Wotc knows DM's hate the shit WotC is shoveling and they know DM's do the bulk of spend.  DM's are the whales and players are minnows at best.  I've had players come to the shop, won't fucking buy dice even from the shop or a mini and roll dice on their phone.  The fuckers use a penny as their character on the map.  Some players are that damn cheap.  And then you got the DM in training players who spend like a DM.  I've had a few go that route as well.

I require that phones be put away during the session at my campaign. Don't want to roll physical dice? Ok no problem join another campaign. I have a ton of loaner dice on hand because players (even those that do have dice) forget them on occasion. I run AD&D and B/X based games these days. Prep wise I don't have time for a lot of 5E horseshit. I will still play 5E if a friend wants to run it, but I won't seek out a 5E game with strangers just to play it. A survey without the option for comments isn't worth the effort. They can load the questions however they want to get the desired responses.
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RNGm

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Quote from: Mistwell on March 13, 2024, 01:10:21 AM
Quote from: RNGm on March 12, 2024, 09:52:38 PM
Is there any proof that this is a survey done by WOTC instead of just a random joe setting it up?

It's a fair question but yes, this is from WOTC. alchemer is what they use for these.

I'll take your word on that but is there proof that *THIS* survey is from WOTC?  I assume that WOTC wouldn't be the only company/legal entity/person using the service.  Is there a link on an official WOTC webpage asking for the feedback or a screenshot from supposedly private playtest communications asking for it?   How did this link first appear/get noticed?  I don't have any problem with random people conducting their own poll (and answered it myself) but was just curious in my typically skeptical way.

@Cathode Ray   How did you first come across that link to the survey if you don't mind me asking?

Melan

Replying to surveys like this will not change anything they didn't already want changed. It is not a good use of your time.
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WERDNA

D&D: Good? Bad?
WotC: Good? Bad?

Most meaning free survey I've seen in some time.

Thorn Drumheller

LOL....well I answered honestly. HEHEHE
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Chris24601

I answered neutral opinion and had not recommended in more than year and did not like their current direction for both. My thinking is that if they think they could have had a customer if not for their current direction, it will improve the odds of them paying attention by 0.001%