Quote from: MongooseMatt on February 15, 2022, 10:40:14 AM

Quote from: caldrail on February 15, 2022, 06:46:52 AM
So why is there a campaign against slavery now?

Possibly because, despite laws, it still goes on today in first world countries. There is also an argument that could be made that the impacts of slavery in decades/centuries past still have an effect today on our societies. It is just an effort to create awareness by various means, good and maybe less well-advised.

Addendum: Before anyone jumps on me (!), we have literally (and quite recently) published a book about this for Traveller (https://www.mongoosepublishing.com/the-glorious-empire.html)

For a long time, the arc of human history was written in blood and tears. Only relatively recently have we started saying, 'No, this is wrong.'

But before you lecture those first world countries, you'd best be calling out everyone else practicing it.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
I would note that in any game with an alignment system, active participation in the slave trade is grounds for shifting alignment away from good to neutral at the least.

Oh, and sucks to be you if you're suddenly the target of abolitionist hit teams. Funny how that works out.

What if there's no movement against slavery, and it's just an accepted part of life? Where morality isn't defined by whether you keep slaves, but by how you treat them?

That was the case for much of human history.

Woke Cthulhu....no thanks.

Quote from: caldrail on February 15, 2022, 06:46:52 AM
There's nothing inherently wrong with using slavery as a concept or plot device in fiction, entertainment, or RPG's. Nothing. The fact it's part of a story does not imply you support real world enslavement, although one daft actress has already suggested banning some Shakespeare because it mentions the issue. Slavery is already illegal in most countries around the world.

I agree that there is nothing _inherently_ wrong with using slavery as a concept. I've enjoyed plenty of slave narratives like Spartacus, Harriet, and 12 Years a Slave. But there's also plenty of valid reasons why some gamers might just not like having it in their game - just like many other now-illegal things like torture, rape, and pedophilia that were common in ancient and medieval times.

Dealing with adult issues, especially those that impinge on player characters, sometimes need to be delivered with a measure of subtlety. Funnily enough, it was never enslavement that caused any problems with my players, just another obstacle to overcome. Sexual themes were harder to deal with.

Quote from: Mind Crime on January 20, 2022, 11:52:28 PM
Joke's on them. Cthulhu has already awakened and the world failed it's sanity check years ago.

Excellent.

Congrats, they've succeeded in making the Mythos boring.

I'm a huge HPL fan, but since the Cthulhu plushy and the overuse of the Mythos in gaming has occurred, I've found myself needing to dig deeper into his more obscure stories for inspiration.

BTW, if anyone wants to buy the BEST EVER supplement for their Mythos horror game of choice, I most heartily recommend SILENT LEGIONS by Sine Nomine. That book is freaking amazing as a RPG resource to personalize the Mythos into your creation.

Silent Legions is amazing. Dude always has tons of tables to inspire the creation of all the things. Usable with any RPG.

In other news...

[news anchor voice]
The "Woke go Broke" crowd took a blow to it's validity this week when Green Ronin Publishing kickstarted their Cthulhu Awakens RPG using the AGE system. The designer has explicitly called out that the game setting infers HP Lovecraft's racism was simply a viewpoint and not an actual inherent part of the world or setting. The "Woke go Broke" crowd responded by dismissing the game as "boring" and "stupid". However numbers don't lie. Already amassing $56,612 over the $10,000 goal with a significant backer count exceeding 850, it looks like Cthulhu Awakens is not only going to do well, but will out-perform almost every RPG project the "Woke go Broke" crowd supported.

It's almost as if the opposite was true. The newly coined "Won't go Woke? Hope you like Broke." campaign has already started printing bumper stickers and intends to start a hashtag campaign to raise awareness of designers creating games that appeal to all players.

More on this and other stories at 11.
[/news anchor voice]

  WOW almost 60k?  For a company that has been making Game books for over 20 years? With a super popular IP too?  Pretty damned good if you ask me.  I feel like we need a picture of Doctor Evil here to gloat over his many thousands of dollars collected. 

Kickstarter is great for Woke projects, you get the warm glow of virtue from funding the Wokeness, and can then forget about it. No need to actually play the game. 

Quote from: trechriron on February 17, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Silent Legions is amazing. Dude always has tons of tables to inspire the creation of all the things. Usable with any RPG.

In other news...

[news anchor voice]
The "Woke go Broke" crowd took a blow to it's validity this week when Green Ronin Publishing kickstarted their Cthulhu Awakens RPG using the AGE system. The designer has explicitly called out that the game setting infers HP Lovecraft's racism was simply a viewpoint and not an actual inherent part of the world or setting. The "Woke go Broke" crowd responded by dismissing the game as "boring" and "stupid". However numbers don't lie. Already amassing $56,612 over the $10,000 goal with a significant backer count exceeding 850, it looks like Cthulhu Awakens is not only going to do well, but will out-perform almost every RPG project the "Woke go Broke" crowd supported.

It's almost as if the opposite was true. The newly coined "Won't go Woke? Hope you like Broke." campaign has already started printing bumper stickers and intends to start a hashtag campaign to raise awareness of designers creating games that appeal to all players.

More on this and other stories at 11.
[/news anchor voice]

I look forward to pirating it.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 18, 2022, 10:36:28 AM

Quote from: trechriron on February 17, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Silent Legions is amazing. Dude always has tons of tables to inspire the creation of all the things. Usable with any RPG.

In other news...

[news anchor voice]
The "Woke go Broke" crowd took a blow to it's validity this week when Green Ronin Publishing kickstarted their Cthulhu Awakens RPG using the AGE system. The designer has explicitly called out that the game setting infers HP Lovecraft's racism was simply a viewpoint and not an actual inherent part of the world or setting. The "Woke go Broke" crowd responded by dismissing the game as "boring" and "stupid". However numbers don't lie. Already amassing $56,612 over the $10,000 goal with a significant backer count exceeding 850, it looks like Cthulhu Awakens is not only going to do well, but will out-perform almost every RPG project the "Woke go Broke" crowd supported.

It's almost as if the opposite was true. The newly coined "Won't go Woke? Hope you like Broke." campaign has already started printing bumper stickers and intends to start a hashtag campaign to raise awareness of designers creating games that appeal to all players.

More on this and other stories at 11.
[/news anchor voice]

I look forward to pirating it.

  This made me LMAO.  I guess that is an option, just steal shit from people who signal they hate you.   Not sure how I feel about it.  Maybe change the word pirate to privateer?  Works for nations.

Quote from: oggsmash on February 18, 2022, 10:39:58 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 18, 2022, 10:36:28 AM

Quote from: trechriron on February 17, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Silent Legions is amazing. Dude always has tons of tables to inspire the creation of all the things. Usable with any RPG.

In other news...

[news anchor voice]
The "Woke go Broke" crowd took a blow to it's validity this week when Green Ronin Publishing kickstarted their Cthulhu Awakens RPG using the AGE system. The designer has explicitly called out that the game setting infers HP Lovecraft's racism was simply a viewpoint and not an actual inherent part of the world or setting. The "Woke go Broke" crowd responded by dismissing the game as "boring" and "stupid". However numbers don't lie. Already amassing $56,612 over the $10,000 goal with a significant backer count exceeding 850, it looks like Cthulhu Awakens is not only going to do well, but will out-perform almost every RPG project the "Woke go Broke" crowd supported.

It's almost as if the opposite was true. The newly coined "Won't go Woke? Hope you like Broke." campaign has already started printing bumper stickers and intends to start a hashtag campaign to raise awareness of designers creating games that appeal to all players.

More on this and other stories at 11.
[/news anchor voice]

I look forward to pirating it.

  This made me LMAO.  I guess that is an option, just steal shit from people who signal they hate you.   Not sure how I feel about it.  Maybe change the word pirate to privateer?  Works for nations.

I completely agree that it's very much at the far end of the spectrum of options.

I am also not going to try and wrap myself in any kind of moral justification for it, except for this:

Insulting me and telling me that they don't want my money strikes me as a poor business model. And if I'm annoyed enough, I will do what I can, however large or small, to inconvenience them in turn.

Besides, don't think of it as piracy. Think of it as wealth redistribution.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 18, 2022, 11:36:44 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on February 18, 2022, 10:39:58 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 18, 2022, 10:36:28 AM

Quote from: trechriron on February 17, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Silent Legions is amazing. Dude always has tons of tables to inspire the creation of all the things. Usable with any RPG.

In other news...

[news anchor voice]
The "Woke go Broke" crowd took a blow to it's validity this week when Green Ronin Publishing kickstarted their Cthulhu Awakens RPG using the AGE system. The designer has explicitly called out that the game setting infers HP Lovecraft's racism was simply a viewpoint and not an actual inherent part of the world or setting. The "Woke go Broke" crowd responded by dismissing the game as "boring" and "stupid". However numbers don't lie. Already amassing $56,612 over the $10,000 goal with a significant backer count exceeding 850, it looks like Cthulhu Awakens is not only going to do well, but will out-perform almost every RPG project the "Woke go Broke" crowd supported.

It's almost as if the opposite was true. The newly coined "Won't go Woke? Hope you like Broke." campaign has already started printing bumper stickers and intends to start a hashtag campaign to raise awareness of designers creating games that appeal to all players.

More on this and other stories at 11.
[/news anchor voice]

I look forward to pirating it.

  This made me LMAO.  I guess that is an option, just steal shit from people who signal they hate you.   Not sure how I feel about it.  Maybe change the word pirate to privateer?  Works for nations.

I completely agree that it's very much at the far end of the spectrum of options.

I am also not going to try and wrap myself in any kind of moral justification for it, except for this:

Insulting me and telling me that they don't want my money strikes me as a poor business model. And if I'm annoyed enough, I will do what I can, however large or small, to inconvenience them in turn.

Besides, don't think of it as piracy. Think of it as wealth redistribution.

LOL,you win the thread.

Player: "My purple hair, is a reflection of how I feel on the inside."

GM: "That's interesting, but Mighty Cthulhu is not impressed.  I need you to roll a sanity check."

Player:  "I rolled a natural 1.  I've always wanted to be #1."

GM: "Your character curls up into the fetal position, and begins to cry uncontrollably."

Player: "It's not a fetus.  It's just a blob of tissue."

GM: "OK. Your character curls up into a blob, and pees on themself."

Player: "My character is wearing a diaper, so it's not a big deal."

GM:  "Mighty Cthulhu eats your character."

Player:  "Why? Why? Why?  That's not fair!!!"