Quote from: Gog to Magog on January 07, 2022, 07:17:39 AM

Quote from: fixable on January 07, 2022, 03:06:48 AM

Quote from: Abraxus on January 06, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
Fixable is the self-righteous Normie SJW that makes my day so amusing

Women only like dressing like stereotypical prudes from 1800s clothing catalogs.

Some do and some like their characters to look sexy. It is up to the individual player and not Normie Prude SJWs, myself or anyone else to tell players how their characters should look like.

D&D art is so mature now. Gets shown how much 5E art is so " mature " nowhere to be seen. I guess he would have no problems showing those somewhat sex clips to his kids since the art has evolved.

As for allowing kids in the hobby I am all for it.  Just don't expect to go to existing tables and tell them to change their styles of gaming at the table as they usually won't. With them telling him to look elsewhere. Or they find a tailor made game for a younger audience.

Well, I prefer my D&D game books to feature art that is evocative of the setting. I mostly prefer old school anyway and there isn't a lot of forgiveness for running around in dungeons wearing nothing but a loincloth or metal nipple tassels in most old school games. AC 8 or 9 isn't doing anyone any favors if you can get plate and shield, instead.

There is an excluded middle that you are missing between wanting realistic portrayals of female adventurers in D&D art and prudish 1800s clothings.

But yeah, in my personal opinion, I prefer D&D books that have art that is more about fantasy adventure and less about soft-core porn.

I really dig the art showcased here: https://www.pinterest.com/shortstuff13/realistic-female-armor/

If you want chainmail bikini there is a place for it in certain style games... I can see superhero games or games like Exalted having it. But it doesn't belong in D&D, it is more grounded and there's more verisimilitude needed. In D&D you want the best armor you can get whether your character is male or female.

"Realistic potrayals" is bullshit and you will IMMEDIATELY abandon that stance as SOON as it becomes inconvenient to your sensibilities.

I'd bet a hundred dollars on it.

Proof's in the pudding, too. Look at the reception Kingdom Come: Deliverance got for being a reasonably realistic depiction of medieval Bohemia.

No, 'realism' is just one more club for the proggy vermin to swing.

Quote from: Ruprecht on January 06, 2022, 08:03:56 PM

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 06, 2022, 06:49:06 PM
I think most SJWs wants to punch Republicans in their games tbh

They should make that game. I wouldn't buy it but a lot of lefties would even if it were totally unplayable.

Go look up the description of Rebel Scum for exactly that.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 07, 2022, 08:00:00 AM
Proof's in the pudding, too. Look at the reception Kingdom Come: Deliverance got for being a reasonably realistic depiction of medieval Bohemia.

No, 'realism' is just one more club for the proggy vermin to swing.

That's what irks me so much.

"Oh but much realism..."

"Okay so you're suddenly going to say a blind swordsman shouldn't be viable? And of course you're railing against the wheel-chair adventurer because 'muh realism'... Oh and all the stylized clothing HAS to go, right? And leather armor? LEATHER? That's not realistic. Jettison it. All that crazy hair color and improbable adventures these adventurers are having? THAT doesn't seem too realistic either... Oh speaking of armor why not speak of weaponry? Those oversized swords with accoutrements or fighting unarmed against armed & armored opponents? SO LONG TO ALL THAT! Right??"

And, naturally, no no no...that can all stay because "vague fantasy reasons that allow that to happen because I want it in but that thing you want that is straight-out because muh realism"

It's just such transparent bullshit.

I do not care about "realism" of my D&D setting when it comes to style and fashion in a general sense...nor do I care what someone else chooses to have at their table. What I DO care about is ethical & moral consistency and pushing back against the refrains of "Oh your little hobby would be PERFECT for me if you only changed this laundry list of things that YOU like that I don't"

No. Newcomer meet gate. I'm the gatekeeper. Patronize stuff you like, create stuff you like...do not DEMAND others change what they already have because your new age puritanical beliefs cannot suffer the THOUGHT of it even existing...

Because watch how fast that conversation about "oversexualization" CRUMBLES when my Muslim buddy jumps onto the board just to have a chat with them about how improper it is for the women on their D&D covers to be showing their faces. All of a sudden their argument about "oversexualization" folds faster than Superman on laundry day with no HINT of a discernible, coherent, consistent reason why. "Oh that's just different...because reasons"

Why is it that the progressives friends and entourage always portrayed as agreeing with how they feel about a topic 1000% of the time.

What utter bullshit,  99% of the time those around them have different opinions on the topic as well as siding with the other side.

I game with gay person and a hardcore liberal and guess what they and myself like sexy tasteful art on rpg products and out. When we debate we rarely if ever agree. I had the hardcore liberal friend turn on a Wokescold and defend me from a personal attack. Simply because he had enough of the Wokescold attacking and insulting everyone who disagreed with him


Agreed and seconded Gog to Magog post.

Quote from: fixable on January 07, 2022, 03:23:34 AM

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Quote from: fixable on January 05, 2022, 03:13:47 AM
I mostly play with women and they like playing attractive characters that are dressed less like sex objects and more like actual female adventurers.

That does not sound very realistic.

Yeah sure. It doesn't sound realistic for female gamers to visualize themselves as female adventurers. All women want to be chainmail bikini clad vixens. Right whatever you say. What do you know about the people I game with?

My wife that has been playing since she was a teen has explicitly only ever wanted to play 'sexy' characters even going as far as to prefer to play non-armor clad ones so the art she can find for them can be sexier.

She prefers art that is more overtly stylized, sexualized, idealized and unrealistic. She likes bare chested Conan and barely-clad girl. She likes cleavage & skirt-armor.

She's been playing this game longer than the tourists infesting the space now demanding it be changed to their mercurial, impossible-to-please tastes so that they can then immediately move on to whatever pop culture tells them is popular...

...I value her opinion more.

Ok fair enough. But that's a personal taste that is not necessarily shared by others.

Its cool that your wife prefers that style, but why would she or you be offended if the art style changes for those who don't prefer it? You value her opinion more and of course that should be without question. But there are other people who have different opinions.

I value my friends' opinions over yours; and none of my friends, male or female, are cool with oversexualiztion of women in the game. Why is your opinion more important than mine or my own friends?

Edit: again it is cool you and yours dig chain mail bikini's but why are there aspersions cast against those who don't?

Are you stupid? You came in here cssting aspersions at people who like chainmail bikinis.

And tbh i doubt you have friends.

You keep asking like your personal choice is right then when anyone contradicts you you go "well thats just your opinion"

Seriously im scared if you do have a daughter considering most of you male feminist tyoes end up being sexual predators.

Quote from: fixable on January 07, 2022, 03:06:48 AMThere is an excluded middle that you are missing between wanting realistic portrayals of female adventurers in D&D art and prudish 1800s clothings.

So you mean females absent from adventuring? Because female armor didn't exist because females didn't go onto the battlefield historically? Thats rather sexist, but I can apreciate the historical realism.

Just say it how it is: some women don't feel comfortable with sexualized imagery. Alright. Some people don't like violent imagery. You don't get to make the calls.
Its the equivalent of a person with a peanut allergy demanding they stop being used in all products, especially in peanut butter, and that its behind the times and backwards for having them.

I also really like your choice of wording: 'Excluded middle'. That by having groups have something you don't like, you are being excluded, instead of the correct term of 'not catered towards'.

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 06, 2022, 05:36:27 PM
Now srsly you had inns and simmilar businesses for a long long time. In fact inns are standard staple of fantasy.

A fantasy inn or tavern is one thing.

A fantasy café with a coffee machine, a newsstand and all the other features that make it a copy of a modern Starbuck's is quite another.

To be precise, one is a genre staple which at least conceptually fits a pre-modern universe. And the other is a Flintstones-like farce.

Quote from: Wulfhelm on January 07, 2022, 10:40:09 AM

Quote from: Wrath of God on January 06, 2022, 05:36:27 PM
Now srsly you had inns and simmilar businesses for a long long time. In fact inns are standard staple of fantasy.

A fantasy inn or tavern is one thing.

A fantasy café with a coffee machine, a newsstand and all the other features that make it a copy of a modern Starbuck's is quite another.

To be precise, one is a genre staple which at least conceptually fits a pre-modern universe. And the other is a Flintstones-like farce.

Except the Flintstones were funny and entertaining. The farce is not.

Quote from: Gog to Magog on January 07, 2022, 07:15:32 AM

Also your nonsense about "softcore porn" is an absolute strawman...

That's what I thought... This 'man-child' isn't worth pissing on. All his arguments are the typical sludge put forward by the same woke scold crew and are always bereft of logic.

And when those paper thin arguments don't work they will try and emotionally black mail you into self-censorship. It's laughable...

Quote from: RandyB on January 07, 2022, 11:26:17 AMExcept the Flintstones were funny and entertaining. The farce is not.

Well, yeah. Because it's a cartoon sitcom and the setting is appropriate for the kind if tone you want in such a show.
It would not be appropriate for a heroic adventure.
The other example I thought about using, the Monkey Island games, was similar. Mixing 17th-century Caribbean pirates with vending machines, used car ship salesmen, life insurance and a gazillion other anachronistic things worked for those too. It would not have worked for something like "Kingdom Come: Deliverance" or "The Witcher". Generally, the intentionally absurd insertion of anachronistic elements works for comedic genres, not so much for others.

Quote from: Wulfhelm on January 07, 2022, 11:40:32 AM

Quote from: RandyB on January 07, 2022, 11:26:17 AMExcept the Flintstones were funny and entertaining. The farce is not.

Well, yeah. Because it's a cartoon sitcom and the setting is appropriate for the kind if tone you want in such a show.
It would not be appropriate for a heroic adventure.
The other example I thought about using, the Monkey Island games, was similar. Mixing 17th-century Caribbean pirates with vending machines, used car ship salesmen, life insurance and a gazillion other anachronistic things worked for those too. It would not have worked for something like "Kingdom Come: Deliverance" or "The Witcher". Generally, the intentionally absurd insertion of anachronistic elements works for comedic genres, not so much for others.

Completely agree.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 07, 2022, 11:28:44 AMThat's what I thought... This 'man-child' isn't worth pissing on. All his arguments are the typical sludge put forward by the same woke scold crew and are always bereft of logic.

Well, what I thought is that you people lack a bit of class.

Not a lot of folks feel any reason to value some newb rando rolling in and whining about "class" because someone won't kowtow and salute what some twerp tried to run up the flagpole.

as they used to say in smarter times, " in the bin it goes, *PLONK* "

Quote from: Wulfhelm on January 07, 2022, 04:17:42 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 07, 2022, 11:28:44 AMThat's what I thought... This 'man-child' isn't worth pissing on. All his arguments are the typical sludge put forward by the same woke scold crew and are always bereft of logic.

Well, what I thought is that you people lack a bit of class.

No, it's only me that has absolutely no class.

So, you can just suck my dick.

" You aren't sufficiently polite when I throw shit at you and knock your stuff off the table and proclaim myself your liberator. Also, I can't seem to find the door out of this blighted hellscape that I condemn unreservedly. Reeee"   LOL