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Wizards Announces New "Evolved" D&D Revision

Started by RPGPundit, September 29, 2021, 11:55:56 PM

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Palleon

#150
December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.

Eirikrautha

#151
December 16, 2021, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on December 16, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: avaia on December 16, 2021, 06:47:13 AM
Quote from: mightybrain on December 16, 2021, 06:30:02 AM
Since when was D&D not inclusive. It's always been open to everyone. It's pure posturing to attract the woker than thou crowd and it will absolutely backfire because they don't buy anything.

It might surprise you to learn that other people have different opinions, and the younger crowd, who is demonstrably the future of gaming, has a keen interest in overt support for diversity, inclusion, and equity. If you think this hobby is a bastion of inclusivity in this society/culture, I can only surmise from that that you personally do not experience marginalisation in this hobby.

For those of us not following the TBP narrative, do you have any examples of DIE that are missing from gaming?

Whenever you hear someone complaining about "marginalization", you can immediately conclude you are dealing with a whiny, narcissist who is upset that other people don't recognize how special and important they are.  Some people just can't seem to get the fact that it's not all about them.  Rather than carve out their own space, like many of us had to (in the days when simply playing RPGs made you an outcast), they expect everyone else to present them with a space and whatever else they want.  Too many spoiled brats in adult bodies...

RandyB

#152
December 16, 2021, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: Palleon on December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.

Category error. "Buys 5e books" is far from synonymous with "Plays 5e".

Jam The MF

#153
December 16, 2021, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: RandyB on December 16, 2021, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: Palleon on December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.

Category error. "Buys 5e books" is far from synonymous with "Plays 5e".

True, but money talks.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Shasarak

#154
December 17, 2021, 02:06:23 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on December 16, 2021, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on December 16, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: avaia on December 16, 2021, 06:47:13 AM
Quote from: mightybrain on December 16, 2021, 06:30:02 AM
Since when was D&D not inclusive. It's always been open to everyone. It's pure posturing to attract the woker than thou crowd and it will absolutely backfire because they don't buy anything.

It might surprise you to learn that other people have different opinions, and the younger crowd, who is demonstrably the future of gaming, has a keen interest in overt support for diversity, inclusion, and equity. If you think this hobby is a bastion of inclusivity in this society/culture, I can only surmise from that that you personally do not experience marginalisation in this hobby.

For those of us not following the TBP narrative, do you have any examples of DIE that are missing from gaming?

Whenever you hear someone complaining about "marginalization", you can immediately conclude you are dealing with a whiny, narcissist who is upset that other people don't recognize how special and important they are.  Some people just can't seem to get the fact that it's not all about them.  Rather than carve out their own space, like many of us had to (in the days when simply playing RPGs made you an outcast), they expect everyone else to present them with a space and whatever else they want.  Too many spoiled brats in adult bodies...

Lets give Avaia a chance to steelman the argument for DIE in gaming.  I mean there has to be more then buzz words and rhetoric.
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RPGPundit

#155
December 17, 2021, 04:45:28 AM
Quote from: Palleon on December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.

Here's the thing though: compared to previous products, that's not so good. Obviously all the top entries on Amazon for "D&D Books" are going to be D&D products. Its hard to say how well it did because that's a measure of relative sales at this time rather than a hard number, but you can at least get some kind of guideline by noticing how high it goes and how long it stays at the highest position it manages to reach.

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#156
December 17, 2021, 08:32:46 AM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on December 16, 2021, 04:42:27 PM
The same people that demand nupronouns and justify it as a insignificant thing you can ignore also demand removal of chainmail bikinis or other "problematic" stuff.

Its all about power and control. Can we make you wear a hat and jump on command?

Those people are, in fact, clinically defined as insane.

If someone demands you use the word "they" with the same case and tense as "he" or "she" to refer to a single person, it implies multiple personality disorder - hence - they're insane.

Rhymer88

#157
December 17, 2021, 09:23:18 AM
Does WotC already have disclaimers for the 3.5e books? I just came across this amusing sentence in the Lords of Madness:

"Fortunately for humankind (and all other humanoid races), bold and determined adventurers devote their careers to checking the plots of these brooding monstrosities and exterminating them from the face of the world."

There you have it folks, the job of adventurers is to EXTERMINATE aberrations. 

Palleon

#158
December 17, 2021, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Rhymer88 on December 17, 2021, 09:23:18 AM
Does WotC already have disclaimers for the 3.5e books?

The disclaimer is on all product prior to Year Zero (aka 5e.)

Snark Knight

#159
December 17, 2021, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: Palleon on December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.
WotC's Magical School of Parry Hotter was always going to sell extremely well no matter what content was penned on the pages.

Shrieking Banshee

#160
December 17, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: 3catcircus on December 17, 2021, 08:32:46 AMIf someone demands you use the word "they" with the same case and tense as "he" or "she" to refer to a single person, it implies multiple personality disorder - hence - they're insane.

Nah, its TNG style 'Tell me there are four lights'. The people that demand this are unstable. They want you to become insane following inconsistent requests.

mightybrain

#161
December 17, 2021, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Palleon on December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.

Not in the UK currently. Here it's not in the top 10 and barely in the top 50. It's way behind Volo's Guide at #8.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Books-Role-Playing-War-Games/zgbs/books/270509/ref=zg_bs_nav_b_4_270508

Svenhelgrim

#162
December 17, 2021, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: Snark Knight on December 17, 2021, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: Palleon on December 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on December 16, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
The crowd who insists that everything about D&D needs to change, should have been ecstatic about Strixhaven.  It was like Twilight, meets D&D.  Has Strixhaven been a huge seller for WOTC?  If not, then WOTC is putting their eggs in the wrong basket.  I bet Volo's heavily outsold Strixhaven, but WOTC couldn't recognize why.  So therefore, they began to retroactively take a dump on their own successful product.  It's all very strange....

It's currently sitting at #3 on D&D books at Amazon.  I find this frankly insane, but it's explaining so much about why I don't care for most 5E players.
WotC's Magical School of Parry Hotter was always going to sell extremely well no matter what content was penned on the pages.

Is there a way to verify this besides taking Amazon at their worrd?  I mean it says :"Bestseller" on the top of the Amazon Strixhaven page, but when you go an read the customer reviews, all the well-written reviews are 1 and 2 stars. 

Could Amazon/WOTC be padding these numbers a bit?

Shrieking Banshee

#163
December 17, 2021, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on December 17, 2021, 08:36:46 PMCould Amazon/WOTC be padding these numbers a bit?

I doubt it. Plenty things make lots of sales from people that regret it later.

mightybrain

#164
December 18, 2021, 01:46:30 AM
Interestingly its the (more expensive) variant cover that's in the top 100 in the UK, the original cover is way lower in the charts.
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