Do you think we will get another Wheel of Time RPG now that we have the Amazon show and such? The last one we had was way back in 2001 and 2002.
I'd really love to see this property get another TTRPG.
Well, due to popularity of game system, it'd either go the 5e route or a company like Free League (with their own system) might get it. Personally, I hope not 5e.
I'd go with PBTA because it's seems to be a setting that would go better with moves than skills.
Like "tug-your-braid", "fold-arms-under-bosom", "why-can't-I-understand-girls-like-my-friends" and finally "don't-balefire-you-will-break-universe" and "BALEFIRE"
If it had come out a few years ago after Sanderson finished the book series then I would have been on board with it but a WoT rpg today would just be a woke mess, especially if the publishers choose to incorporate anything from the tv show.
This is a setting that would work best with a d100 system like Mythras.
After seeing episode 8 of season 1, I hope to god the TV show just dies. What a complete cluster fuck of an episode.
Quote from: Batjon on December 22, 2021, 02:19:43 AM
Do you think we will get another Wheel of Time RPG now that we have the Amazon show and such? The last one we had was way back in 2001 and 2002.
I'd really love to see this property get another TTRPG.
I would not buy it if it was made for D&D 5E, nor if it was based on the TV show that shares the name of the books.
I am currently on a moratorium from making any purchases of 5E based products. This was sadly even to include the new Talislanta until they threw out there that it will be dual-statted. I'm still wary of it.
Are the books any good? The show isn't great, although it does have its moments... Everything is derivative and formulaic, the plot seems to be stretched too thin, like butter scraped over too much bread. ...
Luciano Pavarotti playing the main villain was a nice twist.
Quote from: Eric Diaz on December 27, 2021, 08:08:40 AM
Are the books any good? The show isn't great, although it does have its moments... Everything is derivative and formulaic, the plot seems to be stretched too thin, like butter scraped over too much bread. ...
Luciano Pavarotti playing the main villain was a nice twist.
I have friends that really liked the books (but only one that stuck through all 14 of them). I tried reading one of them and found them unnecessarily boring with way too much fluff text (the author goes into way too much detail on what seemed like trivial stuff to me, but some people love the setting wank). So maybe give one book a try, but don't purchase the whole series outright until you've sampled it to see if you like it.
Quote from: Eric Diaz on December 27, 2021, 08:08:40 AM
Are the books any good? The show isn't great, although it does have its moments... Everything is derivative and formulaic, the plot seems to be stretched too thin, like butter scraped over too much bread. ...
Luciano Pavarotti playing the main villain was a nice twist.
I haven't read it and don't intend to because I read this scathing review from 1999: https://wotiscrap.tripod.com/
I remember trying to read it years ago and giving up... the series make me think I gave up for a reason.
Well, I still have a lot of Lovecrat and Lieber to get to... probably will leave it for another time.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 27, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on December 27, 2021, 08:08:40 AM
Are the books any good? The show isn't great, although it does have its moments... Everything is derivative and formulaic, the plot seems to be stretched too thin, like butter scraped over too much bread. ...
Luciano Pavarotti playing the main villain was a nice twist.
I haven't read it and don't intend to because I read this scathing review from 1999: https://wotiscrap.tripod.com/
Ha! I'd love to read what his take is on Game of Thrones now that it'll never finish and we know how shitty the ending is based on the show.
That being said while I do like Wheel of Time and actually ran a few sessions of the RPG back in the day I wouldn't recommend it if you weren't entertained by the show. Those who say that is formulaic and bloated are not wrong -- and remember that's coming from a fan.
QuoteHa! I'd love to read what his take is on Game of Thrones now that it'll never finish and we know how shitty the ending is based on the show.
Not really, because even if few points match, whole dynamics of the story will be/would be very different.
And for instance we know D&D knew nothing about WW plot-thread.
Nevertheless I'd argue even unfinished ASOIAF is like 10 times more efficient in storytelling compared to TWoT.
Wow. Nope. No one can possibly convince me that GoT is better than WoT at this point. Plus GoT will NEVER be finished.
Unfinished ASOIAF is still better than WOT :P
Quote from: Wrath of God on December 28, 2021, 09:31:59 PM
Unfinished ASOIAF is still better than WOT :P
Whatever floats your boat I guess.
I just hope that if they do a new RPG it's not D&D but I'm not holding my breath. I suppose you could use Sorcery Points and allow people to draw them in but I'd rather just go Fate Accelerated since that version of the Dresden Files simulates WoT style magic pretty well.
Quote from: KingCheops on December 28, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
I just hope that if they do a new RPG it's not D&D but I'm not holding my breath. I suppose you could use Sorcery Points and allow people to draw them in but I'd rather just go Fate Accelerated since that version of the Dresden Files simulates WoT style magic pretty well.
While it might very well simulate WoT magic well, I'll take a hard pass on Wheel of Fate.
Quote from: Dropbear on December 29, 2021, 08:00:52 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on December 28, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
I just hope that if they do a new RPG it's not D&D but I'm not holding my breath. I suppose you could use Sorcery Points and allow people to draw them in but I'd rather just go Fate Accelerated since that version of the Dresden Files simulates WoT style magic pretty well.
While it might very well simulate WoT magic well, I'll take a hard pass on Wheel of Fate.
Any particular reason? What system would you prefer for WoT?
Cypher or maybe BRP.
Quote from: KingCheops on December 29, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: Dropbear on December 29, 2021, 08:00:52 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on December 28, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
I just hope that if they do a new RPG it's not D&D but I'm not holding my breath. I suppose you could use Sorcery Points and allow people to draw them in but I'd rather just go Fate Accelerated since that version of the Dresden Files simulates WoT style magic pretty well.
While it might very well simulate WoT magic well, I'll take a hard pass on Wheel of Fate.
Any particular reason? What system would you prefer for WoT?
I'm generally not a fan of the system, so I prefer to detour from using it whenever possible.
I'd consider using a SIEGE Engine or AGE system for it. Cypher is an interesting possibility as well. BRP might be fairly decent. And here's an odd thought I had, a CoD system using something similar to Exalted Charms for magic.
I can think of a lot of things I'd rather use than Fate.
Quote from: Dropbear on December 30, 2021, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on December 29, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: Dropbear on December 29, 2021, 08:00:52 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on December 28, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
I just hope that if they do a new RPG it's not D&D but I'm not holding my breath. I suppose you could use Sorcery Points and allow people to draw them in but I'd rather just go Fate Accelerated since that version of the Dresden Files simulates WoT style magic pretty well.
While it might very well simulate WoT magic well, I'll take a hard pass on Wheel of Fate.
Any particular reason? What system would you prefer for WoT?
I'm generally not a fan of the system, so I prefer to detour from using it whenever possible.
I'd consider using a SIEGE Engine or AGE system for it. Cypher is an interesting possibility as well. BRP might be fairly decent. And here's an odd thought I had, a CoD system using something similar to Exalted Charms for magic.
I can think of a lot of things I'd rather use than Fate.
I too had considered the AGE system. I think the AGE system could easily do WoT and do it justice, if done properly.
If you are not completely aversive to 5e, there is this VERY impressive fan community conversion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/)
Quote from: Batjon on December 30, 2021, 05:18:18 PM
If you are not completely aversive to 5e, there is this VERY impressive fan community conversion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/)
This is actually a homebrew d100 system. But thanks! Always happy to have another ruleset.
What are Cypher, SIEGE, BRP, and AGE? There's so many systems...
Quote from: KingCheops on December 30, 2021, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: Batjon on December 30, 2021, 05:18:18 PM
If you are not completely aversive to 5e, there is this VERY impressive fan community conversion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/)
This is actually a homebrew d100 system. But thanks! Always happy to have another ruleset.
What are Cypher, SIEGE, BRP, and AGE? There's so many systems...
It seems I accidentally linked the wrong WoT homebrew. That is indeed the D100 homebrew I saw previously. Here is the VERY impressive one done using D&D 5e: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3fjlzi3u6oaWVJKbUFybnBCbk0/view?resourcekey=0-9mqJ9SAh9P1Y9u_vUWmRjg (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3fjlzi3u6oaWVJKbUFybnBCbk0/view?resourcekey=0-9mqJ9SAh9P1Y9u_vUWmRjg)
Quote from: Batjon on December 31, 2021, 08:24:27 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on December 30, 2021, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: Batjon on December 30, 2021, 05:18:18 PM
If you are not completely aversive to 5e, there is this VERY impressive fan community conversion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/eegvfw/wheel_of_time_tabletop_rpg_playtest/)
This is actually a homebrew d100 system. But thanks! Always happy to have another ruleset.
What are Cypher, SIEGE, BRP, and AGE? There's so many systems...
It seems I accidentally linked the wrong WoT homebrew. That is indeed the D100 homebrew I saw previously. Here is the VERY impressive one done using D&D 5e: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3fjlzi3u6oaWVJKbUFybnBCbk0/view?resourcekey=0-9mqJ9SAh9P1Y9u_vUWmRjg (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3fjlzi3u6oaWVJKbUFybnBCbk0/view?resourcekey=0-9mqJ9SAh9P1Y9u_vUWmRjg)
Wow! Oh my goodness. Thanks for that!
Just to let people know, the D20 book was actually one of the best gaming books to come out of the OGL, not as good as the Conan ones, but close.
It plays rather well at the table, and the book itself is gorgeous, with some of the best art from that period. As a bonus, it's very faithful to the books, so you won't get the absolute garbage that is the tv show version of the lore/characters/world.
Please note that I say all this as a very mild fan of the books. Jordan suffers from verborrhea to the nth degree, his motto might as well be "why use 7 words when you can use 936?".
Well, part of the problem is it was originally planned as like a 6 book set, but once they started selling like hotcakes, Jordan was told to draw out the story. You can literally feel a moment in Book 3 when everything slows the fuck down.
And Nynaeve pulls on her braid. A lot. Like, how is there not a geyser of blood coming from her head, a lot.
The old d20 book was actually really nice. But convincing people to play male spell-casters, knowing full well they'd go batshit insane eventually, made it a pretty hard sell.
Quote from: Novastar on January 04, 2022, 12:38:05 AM
The old d20 book was actually really nice. But convincing people to play male spell-casters, knowing full well they'd go batshit insane eventually, made it a pretty hard sell.
Really? I actually had to tell players I wasn't allowing it the two times I ran the game. "Rand al-Thor is a bitch! I'm the real Dragon!"
Quote from: KingCheops on January 04, 2022, 10:19:05 AM
Quote from: Novastar on January 04, 2022, 12:38:05 AM
The old d20 book was actually really nice. But convincing people to play male spell-casters, knowing full well they'd go batshit insane eventually, made it a pretty hard sell.
Really? I actually had to tell players I wasn't allowing it the two times I ran the game. "Rand al-Thor is a bitch! I'm the real Dragon!"
Yeah, immense power with accompanying madness is a lure to a great many players (like anyone that plays a psyker in a WH40K game).
Quote from: HappyDaze on January 04, 2022, 10:32:31 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on January 04, 2022, 10:19:05 AM
Quote from: Novastar on January 04, 2022, 12:38:05 AM
The old d20 book was actually really nice. But convincing people to play male spell-casters, knowing full well they'd go batshit insane eventually, made it a pretty hard sell.
Really? I actually had to tell players I wasn't allowing it the two times I ran the game. "Rand al-Thor is a bitch! I'm the real Dragon!"
Yeah, immense power with accompanying madness is a lure to a great many players (like anyone that plays a psyker in a WH40K game).
It was probably a little skewed because one game was at my university gaming club so "campaigns" were generally shorter there and by the fact that the other game was with my home group and they're all old hands with Rifts so used to playing Crazies and Juicers.
QuoteI just hope that if they do a new RPG it's not D&D but I'm not holding my breath. I suppose you could use Sorcery Points and allow people to draw them in but I'd rather just go Fate Accelerated since that version of the Dresden Files simulates WoT style magic pretty well.
That seems kinda good idea, considering wonky nature of One Power on book level.
QuoteWell, part of the problem is it was originally planned as like a 6 book set, but once they started selling like hotcakes, Jordan was told to draw out the story. You can literally feel a moment in Book 3 when everything slows the fuck down.
That would be less of a problem, if he put proper amount of things into those books. Like whole Rand storyline is what 3 years? That's the same problem as ASOIAF - books took half a years, while story beg you to make your characters older, and give them time to solidly grow, and politics to unfold better. Alas I think it's relatively common problem. Give me a saga that truly spans over decade.
For anyone interested in the series, the books are popular enough you can still find them in most public library systems. I'd grab the first couple and see if they're to your taste. 14 year old me couldn't get enough of those books and I read them incessantly. As I aged the flaws got more obvious.
As for the RPG, I wonder if a system like Mage (either oWoD or NWoD) would work well to emulate the magic. Though you'd need write ups for what each of the elements can do and what happens when you combine them.
Quote from: Wrath of God on January 05, 2022, 03:46:18 PM
... That's the same problem as ASOIAF - books took half a years, while story beg you to make your characters older, and give them time to solidly grow, and politics to unfold better. Alas I think it's relatively common problem. Give me a saga that truly spans over decade.
The Saxon Tales by Bernard Cornwell
The basis for the Last Kingdom tv series.
It spans around 40 years of the main characters life over 13 books.
It's historical fiction rather than pure fantasy, but I really loved it.
IMHO it's just about Cornwell's best work.
Thanks for advice :)
QuoteAs for the RPG, I wonder if a system like Mage (either oWoD or NWoD) would work well to emulate the magic. Though you'd need write ups for what each of the elements can do and what happens when you combine them.
I have bad feeling that analysing the books to find out which element do what, would end with discovering massive chaos, that's all ;)
I'd second the Saxon Tales. Much better than Sharpe and I loved Sharpe.
I just finished Eye of the World tonight and enjoyed it again.
I'm reminded that Robert Jordan was just not happy with dealing with WotC back when the WoTRPG was made, even though he started out nostalgic for D&D and pleased at the prospect of the book. It didn't go well.
"For Infested Templar, I had little to do with the RPG. Mainly my role was limited to telling them that they could not have paladins, ninjas, clerics, shuriken etc. I had to put so much time into that fighting that I washed my hands of the rest, I'm afraid. I could see that trying to make them actually adapt to the books was going to be Valmy Ridge all over again. At least I managed to stop them from putting in a ter'angreal that could bring on the Last Battle in some unspecified manner and also some other really terrible ideas. I wish I had been able to do more, but I had a book to write."
QuoteAt least I managed to stop them from putting in a ter'angreal that could bring on the Last Battle in some unspecified manner
Sounds like awesome idea. Like this most FATAL spell failure in FATAL exterminating all world.
Quote from: Manic Modron on January 06, 2022, 06:46:24 PM
I'm reminded that Robert Jordan was just not happy with dealing with WotC back when the WoTRPG was made, even though he started out nostalgic for D&D and pleased at the prospect of the book. It didn't go well.
"For Infested Templar, I had little to do with the RPG. Mainly my role was limited to telling them that they could not have paladins, ninjas, clerics, shuriken etc. I had to put so much time into that fighting that I washed my hands of the rest, I'm afraid. I could see that trying to make them actually adapt to the books was going to be Valmy Ridge all over again. At least I managed to stop them from putting in a ter'angreal that could bring on the Last Battle in some unspecified manner and also some other really terrible ideas. I wish I had been able to do more, but I had a book to write."
Robert Jordan, the complete opposite of George R.R. Martin. One eschews distractions to focus on writing, the other uses distractions as an excuse not to write.
Quote from: horsesoldier on January 07, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: Manic Modron on January 06, 2022, 06:46:24 PM
I'm reminded that Robert Jordan was just not happy with dealing with WotC back when the WoTRPG was made, even though he started out nostalgic for D&D and pleased at the prospect of the book. It didn't go well.
"For Infested Templar, I had little to do with the RPG. Mainly my role was limited to telling them that they could not have paladins, ninjas, clerics, shuriken etc. I had to put so much time into that fighting that I washed my hands of the rest, I'm afraid. I could see that trying to make them actually adapt to the books was going to be Valmy Ridge all over again. At least I managed to stop them from putting in a ter'angreal that could bring on the Last Battle in some unspecified manner and also some other really terrible ideas. I wish I had been able to do more, but I had a book to write."
Robert Jordan, the complete opposite of George R.R. Martin. One eschews distractions to focus on writing, the other uses distractions as an excuse not to write.
And one still lives.
QuoteOne eschews distractions to focus on writing,
I'd say more he just internalize distractions, so 75% of written book is more distraction than actual plot or setting :P