Digging around on Kickstarter, I found the below image for Trinity Continuum: Anima. Enjoy!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/035/510/203/38ed318d6f066c4728d652a735ddc9ce_original.png?ixlib=rb-4.0.2&w=680&fit=max&v=1636386909&auto=format&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=114a2ac1f8afab0a3e488ccc8f6c1f75)
hah! This is what we were discussing around the start of the whole Candlekeep and "Wheelchair in Dungeon" SJW mess some months back.
This is a cool idea and exactly the sorts of things we suggested instead of a normal wheelchair. Aside from the art piece makes it feel like the legs are in the wrong places and alignments to the chair. It fits in fine. Its exactly the sort of thing you could get from say Animate Object and a little creativity.
If a necromancer animates a dead paraplegic as a zombie, are they still disabled?
Think about this: A normal zombie is a body that died and could not sustain life, let alone walk. The zombie or skeleton in question may have doed from massive trauma, yet there they are, walking around with heads lolling from broken necks and guts hanging out, or no flesh at all in the case of skeletons. Skeletons don't even have muscles to move their limbs.
So what happens if you animate the corpse of a paraplegic? Can they ambulate?
Maybe I should send this question to Chris Perkins?
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 20, 2021, 06:36:42 AM
If a necromancer animates a dead paraplegic as a zombie, are they still disabled?
If you amputate a limb, reanimate it, and reattach it, are you living or undead?
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 20, 2021, 06:36:42 AM
If a necromancer animates a dead paraplegic as a zombie, are they still disabled?
We don't use that term around here, dear; please remember to say "biologically challenged".
I think the YouTube RomanianTVee (and his other channel, Lack of Entertainment) said it best.
The idea itself wasn't bad. It was why it was implemented. It was implemented entirely for social justice reasons. The YouTuber I mentioned was a doctor previously, and he said it best:
"Do you know what the biggest wish of people in wheelchairs is? That I could walk again!"
Having a steampunk/magical walking frame like you're that Dwemer from Morrowind or the Spider Mastermind from Doom; that's not a problem. Having it for the sake of "inclusion" is.
Quote from: PsyXypher on November 20, 2021, 03:56:06 PM
I think the YouTube RomanianTVee (and his other channel, Lack of Entertainment) said it best.
The idea itself wasn't bad. It was why it was implemented. It was implemented entirely for social justice reasons. The YouTuber I mentioned was a doctor previously, and he said it best:
"Do you know what the biggest wish of people in wheelchairs is? That I could walk again!"
Having a steampunk/magical walking frame like you're that Dwemer from Morrowind or the Spider Mastermind from Doom; that's not a problem. Having it for the sake of "inclusion" is.
Wild Wild West had a spider-like wheelchair. That definitely wasn't that film's biggest problem.
Darth Maul is master of the space wizard setting combat wheelchair, he had like a robot drider body, some battledroid legs, then some more normal luke-hand-like presthetic replacement, maybe more for all i know.
Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on November 20, 2021, 08:39:18 AM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 20, 2021, 06:36:42 AM
If a necromancer animates a dead paraplegic as a zombie, are they still disabled?
We don't use that term around here, dear; please remember to say "biologically challenged".
No no no! That is what the ists of the 90s came up with. The new and proper magic word is "displaced minority". Get with the times man. 8)
Ahem.
As for animating disabled dead. Depends on the setting and DM. In some a zombie or skeleton is just a robot animated by magic. They might not have been able to walk in life. But the spell doesnt care. They can now. Same for sight. These things can see even without eyes.
But in another system or DM the undead are bound spirits animating the body and here all bets are off on what they can or cant do. Blind ghost? Can do. Zombie that cant move because in life it couldnt? Can do. Or flip it around such that undeath liberates them from these maladies. For some that could be a powerful lure.
Hell. That could be the motivation for becoming an undead. A mage striving to become a liche because they cant walk. But the liche has no such problem.
This can also work for the living in odd ways. In comics and film theres been examples of people who were wheelchair bound. But their astral forms suffer no such problem. And of course others who are the diametric opposite and carry over their maladies.
As said in the older thread on this. Theres lots of workarounds for being disabled that make far better sense than going into a dungeon in a wheelchair.
Then again I could see someone doing exactly that. Using what looks like a normal wheelchair as a means to make foes underestimate them.
Unfortunately WOTC and their flunkies have no such imagination.
Quote from: Pat on November 20, 2021, 06:40:18 AM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 20, 2021, 06:36:42 AM
If a necromancer animates a dead paraplegic as a zombie, are they still disabled?
If you amputate a limb, reanimate it, and reattach it, are you living or undead?
When your reanimated limb tries to strangle yourself to death, is it murder or suicide?
Quote from: Shasarak on November 21, 2021, 02:48:37 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 20, 2021, 06:40:18 AM
Quote from: Svenhelgrim on November 20, 2021, 06:36:42 AM
If a necromancer animates a dead paraplegic as a zombie, are they still disabled?
If you amputate a limb, reanimate it, and reattach it, are you living or undead?
When your reanimated limb tries to strangle yourself to death, is it murder or suicide?
It's a Tuesday.
Go Go Gadget legs!
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 20, 2021, 12:04:46 AM
Digging around on Kickstarter, I found the below image for Trinity Continuum: Anima. Enjoy!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/035/510/203/38ed318d6f066c4728d652a735ddc9ce_original.png?ixlib=rb-4.0.2&w=680&fit=max&v=1636386909&auto=format&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=114a2ac1f8afab0a3e488ccc8f6c1f75)
I just realised what the problem is with this leg chair - no guns!
Quote from: PsyXypher on November 20, 2021, 03:56:06 PM
I think the YouTube RomanianTVee (and his other channel, Lack of Entertainment) said it best.
The idea itself wasn't bad. It was why it was implemented. It was implemented entirely for social justice reasons. The YouTuber I mentioned was a doctor previously, and he said it best:
"Do you know what the biggest wish of people in wheelchairs is? That I could walk again!"
Having a steampunk/magical walking frame like you're that Dwemer from Morrowind or the Spider Mastermind from Doom; that's not a problem. Having it for the sake of "inclusion" is.
Greetings!
Yeah, exactly.
If the campaign doesn't embrace super healing magic, then having some grizzled Wizard Player Character--or even an NPC--say, hey! Find me a wizard and a craftsman that can put something together for me, because the last encounter we had with Zhigmak The Red Dragon, the dragon chewed me up, and mangled my legs. He also caught me in his searing, fiery breathe, and I want to try to function, still, in some way. I don't merely want to live, or retire somewhere.
--I want REVENGE!
That is a character I can support, and despite the undoubted difficulties certain to face a character disfigured by searing dragon-fire and chewed up, is someone I can encourage.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The only good combat wheelchair is the one Davros uses. ;D
In the James Bond scenario 'Goldfinger II', Auric who somehow survived falling out of an airplane, is now using an armed & mobile steel lung. I wasn't sure how to handle that encounter but the Davros reference gave me some ideas. Thanks!
Also, just a mechanical claw? Needs more Lasers!!
Quote from: Godfather Punk on November 22, 2021, 06:18:11 AM
I wasn't sure how to handle that encounter but the Davros reference gave me some ideas. Thanks!
No worries... Him or the Mekon make the concept viable for me. ;)
My one main rule when allowing for stuff like prosthetics is that it does not normally grant any bonuses. It just alleviates the malady in a viable or semi-viable manner. Or if it does have an advantage, then there should be some drawbacks too. A mechanical hand with a built in crossbow works long as theres some penalty to say crafting/thieving checks because theres no tactile feedback.
The original Cyborg novel that became the Six Million Dollar Man pilot had some good insights into this. His prosthetic legs could run full tilt without him getting tired. His replacement arm could bludgeon well as it felt no pain. In the book he actually could not see with the eye. It had a camera and later If I recall right a one-shot laser. One of his fingers was loaded with a dart gun and so on.
Theres so many many many ways to go at this that are perfectly fine.
But time and again these SJW nuts go the stupidest route possible.
Man, if I was stuck in a wheelchair the last freaking thing I would play would be someone in a wheelchair. The whole idea behind RPGS is to be something more than you are, how many people can use magic or fly as some weird race with wings?
If you ever worked with people in wheelchairs you know the idea of going on an adventure in one is crazy. Why do you think the law here made places handicap accessable? No way.
Quote from: DragonBane on December 02, 2021, 07:33:35 PM
Man, if I was stuck in a wheelchair the last freaking thing I would play would be someone in a wheelchair. The whole idea behind RPGS is to be something more than you are, how many people can use magic or fly as some weird race with wings?
If you ever worked with people in wheelchairs you know the idea of going on an adventure in one is crazy. Why do you think the law here made places handicap accessable? No way.
These people shove diversity down our throats because it makes them feel good. Not because it helps anyone.
Quote from: PsyXypher on December 02, 2021, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: DragonBane on December 02, 2021, 07:33:35 PM
Man, if I was stuck in a wheelchair the last freaking thing I would play would be someone in a wheelchair. The whole idea behind RPGS is to be something more than you are, how many people can use magic or fly as some weird race with wings?
If you ever worked with people in wheelchairs you know the idea of going on an adventure in one is crazy. Why do you think the law here made places handicap accessable? No way.
These people shove diversity down our throats because it makes them feel good. Not because it helps anyone.
Very. What they want is for us to stay handicapped so they can
A: Rile us up and use us every iteration of this mental disease. And failing that. Cause trouble on our behalf because we arent outraged at how oppresededed we is. We are just pets, animals that they only care about when we are doing the tricks they taught us.
B: make themselves out to be the hero. At our expense.
In the now 3 iterations I've had to live though not once have these Social Justice cultists ever actually helped anyone or made a positive change.
Because that is not the goal. But they sure do love to take credit for any changes. And then turn around and tell us again we are being oppresedededed-ad-nausium because you see all that help from real people was not "true" help and they are here to "save" us.
And in a few years they will do it all over again because the next waves on the horizon.
Quote from: DragonBane on December 02, 2021, 07:33:35 PM
Man, if I was stuck in a wheelchair the last freaking thing I would play would be someone in a wheelchair. The whole idea behind RPGS is to be something more than you are, how many people can use magic or fly as some weird race with wings?
Isn't that the topic from the original post? This:
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seems like using magic or flying with wings.
Quote from: DragonBane on December 02, 2021, 07:33:35 PM
Man, if I was stuck in a wheelchair the last freaking thing I would play would be someone in a wheelchair. The whole idea behind RPGS is to be something more than you are, how many people can use magic or fly as some weird race with wings?
If you ever worked with people in wheelchairs you know the idea of going on an adventure in one is crazy. Why do you think the law here made places handicap accessable? No way.
Because it is a fetish. It's not about disabled people. It's not about accessibility. It's about fetishizing the status of being confined to a wheelchair.
Combat wheelchairs always make me think of Grove Marcus from the Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust anime. That character is basically completely shattered physically, and must be carted around by other characters, but when things are dire can project himself into a spiritual form that is incredibly powerful.
Occasionally this type of thing is a cool character concept... but these have existed long before & will exist long after the SJW religion burns itself out.
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 20, 2021, 04:11:14 PM
Wild Wild West had a spider-like wheelchair. That definitely wasn't that film's biggest problem.
It remains the only movie during which I actually slept in the theater.
Quote from: BronzeDragon on December 04, 2021, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 20, 2021, 04:11:14 PM
Wild Wild West had a spider-like wheelchair. That definitely wasn't that film's biggest problem.
It remains the only movie during which I actually slept in the theater.
You missed a butt peek, an odd couple comedy, and the most stereotypically evil Southerner in any film.
As noted many a time. Theres so many ways to do this in interesting ways. Like the "walker" chair in the OP.
But these SJW morons can not even come up with anything better than "plain wheelchair" or "super over powered flying indestructible gatling chainsaw plain wheelchair"...
Because the first just can not work without alot of hassles for the PCs or limiting your campaign to cities (and other places where it makes alot more sense). The second is the standard substandard over reaction to being told why the first can not work without alot of hoop jumping.
Most of us here can think of one or two adventures where a normal wheelchair bound adventurer is viable. Why the hell does it nigh invariably elude these idiots?
Quote from: Omega on December 07, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
As noted many a time. Theres so many ways to do this in interesting ways. Like the "walker" chair in the OP.
But these SJW morons can not even come up with anything better than "plain wheelchair" or "super over powered flying indestructible gatling chainsaw plain wheelchair"...
Because the first just can not work without alot of hassles for the PCs or limiting your campaign to cities (and other places where it makes alot more sense). The second is the standard substandard over reaction to being told why the first can not work without alot of hoop jumping.
Most of us here can think of one or two adventures where a normal wheelchair bound adventurer is viable. Why the hell does it nigh invariably elude these idiots?
Evil cannot create, only corrupt.
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"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them ..."
Frodo - Return of the King LotR Trylogy
Griswald voluntered in a VA hospital when his dad was there after a stroke. He told me how some of those guys couldn't even get up a low slope and how they'd thank anyone who took a minute to help them.
Inclusion yeah right- if I was in a wheelchair I'd want the dm to let me play an elf Flash or a real young dragon who could FLY.
I love the way SJWs use crippled people. Damn lowlifes. Bet none of them ever did anything for people like that.
Something to keep in mind is to make sure you differentiate this fetish crap from player accessibility.
There's nothing wrong with the latter. Hell, I've done that with a friend of mine who has poor eyesight. We printed extra-large font copies of his character sheets, and got him some large dice to roll and he was good to go. Another friend is in a wheelchair; we just cleared a space at the table and made sure she could roll up to it without problems.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 10, 2021, 03:11:54 PM
Something to keep in mind is to make sure you differentiate this fetish crap from player accessibility.
There's nothing wrong with the latter. Hell, I've done that with a friend of mine who has poor eyesight. We printed extra-large font copies of his character sheets, and got him some large dice to roll and he was good to go. Another friend is in a wheelchair; we just cleared a space at the table and made sure she could roll up to it without problems.
Sadly, that needed to be said. And I concur - accessibility for impaired players is just good manners.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 10, 2021, 03:11:54 PM
Something to keep in mind is to make sure you differentiate this fetish crap from player accessibility.
There's nothing wrong with the latter. Hell, I've done that with a friend of mine who has poor eyesight. We printed extra-large font copies of his character sheets, and got him some large dice to roll and he was good to go. Another friend is in a wheelchair; we just cleared a space at the table and made sure she could roll up to it without problems.
When Im doing playtesting font size is the first thing I look at and its often the first thing I have to report as a problem. Its a very common thing overlooked even by the big companies.
Quote from: RandyB on December 10, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 10, 2021, 03:11:54 PM
Something to keep in mind is to make sure you differentiate this fetish crap from player accessibility.
There's nothing wrong with the latter. Hell, I've done that with a friend of mine who has poor eyesight. We printed extra-large font copies of his character sheets, and got him some large dice to roll and he was good to go. Another friend is in a wheelchair; we just cleared a space at the table and made sure she could roll up to it without problems.
Sadly, that needed to be said. And I concur - accessibility for impaired players is just good manners.
Problem is that these SJWs love to preach but seem loath to actually do anything other than "make gaming more welcoming" as if it never was before.
And all their "representation" of us ends up being so demeaningly basic. And in the now overused wheelchair, impractical.
The leggychair in the OP is a great idea. Weird to be sure. But it shows some creativity in approaching the problems.
Reminds me of the luggage in the Colour of Magic.