What if you don't want to play a game that is politically correct but is correct for the time/genre it is set in?
Say a Conan, Indiana Jones or Tales of the Gold Monkey game for example.
How do you advertise without triggering a bunch of people?
Is this even possible to do in a non-private place?
Eh, you just say "Conan game" or "Indiana Jones game" (Tales of the Gold Monkey is pretty much Indiana Jones for TV, right?) . 99% of applicants will be fine. The 1% will ask you to change stuff to be PC, so you'll know to exclude them.
It seems to me that it would be better to trigger early and then select from those players who were not triggered.
Although I admit to being curious what a politically correct Cimmerian Barbarian would look like.
Quote from: Shasarak;1142571It seems to me that it would be better to trigger early and then select from those players who were not triggered.
Although I admit to being curious what a politically correct Cimmerian Barbarian would look like.
less openly rapey tbh. At least according to me, the game safe phrase is always 'fade to black' that is when descriptions stop.
Same as I suggest for recruiting for any game. Be clear upfront about the campaign and the tone of the game.
The more the players know upfront, the less likely the wrong players will join. And if one slips through, the rest will remind them how you were upfront with everything and support you.
If players don't know me, I tell them about my GMing style...
Fast moving and immersive gameplay
Love blending horror, fantasy and scifi.
Combats are gorefests.
PC death is gonna happen
Old School Viking Hat GM
My rulings > the book's rules.
At conventions, I make sure my game descriptions give as much detail not just about the event, but the tone and style of the game so people can make informed choices. It's not full proof, but it's got a 95% success rate.
Quote from: Taggie;1142572less openly rapey tbh. At least according to me, the game safe phrase is always 'fade to black' that is when descriptions stop.
Conan with chocolates and flowers.
Quote from: Shasarak;1142579Conan with chocolates and flowers.
So after Conan kills you, he brings your girl friend chocolate and sends a nice flower arrangement to your funereal service? :)
Quote from: Shasarak;1142579Conan with chocolates and flowers.
Conan with out describing things in explicit detail. The point is to have fun, not inflict sexual fantasies on ppl. So...the torture starts *fade to black* game mechanics only from now on
Quote from: Taggie;1142583Conan with out describing things in explicit detail. The point is to have fun, not inflict sexual fantasies on ppl. So...the torture starts *fade to black* game mechanics only from now on
Care to point where exactly in Conan's canon is the rapey stuff?
As for the torture... I fail to remember a single instance of the good guys doing it, same for the rapey stuff mind you.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142589Care to point where exactly in Conan's canon is the rapey stuff?
Not that it was explicit hardcore sex, but The Frost Giant's Daughter was a story about Conan chasing after a woman to have sex with her against her will.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142590Not that it was explicit hardcore sex, but The Frost Giant's Daughter was a story about Conan chasing after a woman to have sex with her against her will.
Not that it matters apparently but nope, The Frost Giant's Daughter was a story about Conan being charmed and made to chase after a woman towards his death.
So, she puts a spell on him, making him chase her while she guides him deeper and deeper into the cold, but he's the bad guy for chasing her after she spelled him to chase her?
Something doesn't make much sense there.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142592Not that it matters apparently but nope, The Frost Giant's Daughter was a story about Conan being charmed and made to chase after a woman towards his death.
So, she puts a spell on him, making him chase her while she guides him deeper and deeper into the cold, but he's the bad guy for chasing her after she spelled him to chase her?
Something doesn't make much sense there.
Yeah i just read this one she thinks he's gonna die before he can reach her, but he proves more than a match for her brothers. Its clear he's charmed the whole time otherwise he wouldnt have wabdered away into the snow.
Quote from: Shasarak;1142571It seems to me that it would be better to trigger early and then select from those players who were not triggered.
Although I admit to being curious what a politically correct Cimmerian Barbarian would look like.
It would look like the Modiphius version, which makes a big point of how faithful it is to Howard, while ignoring anything unpleasant.
Not that I have an issue with a game leaving out Howard's sexism and racism, but I just think there's a certain contradiction in simulatenously making a big point about being faithful to the original.
Quote from: TJS;1142602It would look like the Modiphius version, which makes a big point of how faithful it is to Howard, while ignoring anything unpleasant.
Not that I have an issue with a game leaving out Howard's sexism and racism, but I just think there's a certain contradiction in simulatenously making a big point about being faithful to the original.
Not this bullshit again....
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142607Not this bullshit again....
Well yes. Sometimes things are actually racist and sexist.
But don't worry you can read the books if you like. I was reading some Howard stories the other day.
I can really recommend his historical stories set during the crusades. I think they're actually generally better than most of his Conan stories. Having to work around actual history and not having to rely on the supernatural pushes him do more interesting things with his plots and characters.
If you're wanting to run a game I'd suggest advertising that you want the players to know the setting (e.g. have read at least a Howard story or two), and that experience points depend upon accurately depicting characters from that setting.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142592Not that it matters apparently but nope, The Frost Giant's Daughter was a story about Conan being charmed and made to chase after a woman towards his death.
So, she puts a spell on him, making him chase her while she guides him deeper and deeper into the cold, but he's the bad guy for chasing her after she spelled him to chase her?
Something doesn't make much sense there.
Huh. I haven't read the story in a bit. I didn't remember that she cast a spell on him.
Quote from: TJS;1142609Well yes. Sometimes things are actually racist and sexist.
But don't worry you can read the books if you like. I was reading some Howard stories the other day.
I can really recommend his historical stories set during the crusades. I think they're actually generally better than most of his Conan stories. Having to work around actual history and not having to rely on the supernatural pushes him do more interesting things with his plots and characters.
You asserting they are istophobic doesn't make it so.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142611Huh. I haven't read the story in a bit. I didn't remember that she cast a spell on him.
It's not explicitly stated, but at the mere sight of Atali Conan is stricken with a lust so strong he follows her for miles into an ambush by her brothers (The Frost Giants, and when he kills them and captures her she calls upon her father Ymir.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frost-Giant%27s_Daughter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frost-Giant%27s_Daughter)
Edited to add the whole text
Gods of the North (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42664/42664-h/42664-h.htm)
"Marvel Conan" might be the right tone for people who don't want the grittiness of Howard's Conan.
But I'd only run Conan for a group of REH fans. The most sexist people I've met have been women and the most racist have been not-white, so I'm not going to tolerate some clown at my table tut-tutting about REH's lack of political correctness.
Quote from: Taggie;1142572less openly rapey tbh.
REH's stories don't tend to be rapey; at most the damsel gets threatened by the villain/monster/mob then rescued by Conan. Conan never has to rape anyone! I guess the Fever Dream-ish
Frost Giant's Daughter implies Conan wouldn't take no for an answer there, though! But it seemed like he was under a fey enchantment, and/or just imagining the whole thing.
Quote from: Taggie;1142583Conan with out describing things in explicit detail. The point is to have fun, not inflict sexual fantasies on ppl. So...the torture starts *fade to black* game mechanics only from now on
What the fuck Conan stories are *you* reading?! :eek:
Quote from: S'mon;1142653What the fuck Conan stories are *you* reading?! :eek:
Makes me wonder if he even did imo.
I am not a Conan connoisseur by any means and REH tend to be very formulaic in terms of structure, yet whatever Taggie is reading it's certainly not REH. It could be someone writing in REH style. I don't remember seeing anything he implies in the stories.
Quote from: S'mon;1142652REH's stories don't tend to be rapey; at most the damsel gets threatened by the villain/monster/mob then rescued by Conan. Conan never has to rape anyone! I guess the Fever Dream-ish Frost Giant's Daughter implies Conan wouldn't take no for an answer there, though! But it seemed like he was under a fey enchantment, and/or just imagining the whole thing.
Yeah in fact id say the opposite is true imo. Most REH stories with women have long sequences about how much they want conan even if they dont admit it out loud till the end.
Quote from: S'mon;1142653What the fuck Conan stories are *you* reading?! :eek:
My guess is he didn't, and he knows Conan from some Feminist "analysis" at best.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142662My guess is he didn't, and he knows Conan from some Feminist "analysis" at best.
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain
Seems to me like Mr. Clemens understood modern leftists long before they ever existed. RPG hand-wringers notwithstanding...
Quote from: S'mon;1142653What the fuck Conan stories are *you* reading?! :eek:
My guess is the "Tarnsman of Gor" and not Conan.
I wouldn't want to go there myself but a lot of books were sold so someone liked it.
I'm just more concerned with reenacting out of date/fashion sensibilities.
Quote from: S'mon;1142652REH's stories don't tend to be rapey; at most the damsel gets threatened by the villain/monster/mob then rescued by Conan. Conan never has to rape anyone! I guess the Fever Dream-ish Frost Giant's Daughter implies Conan wouldn't take no for an answer there, though! But it seemed like he was under a fey enchantment, and/or just imagining the whole thing.
It's a story that can leave a very nasty taste in the reader's mouth, though, and I think the recent compilations of Howard's stories suffer for giving it an early place in the list, despite the chronology. It stopped my reading cold, at least; I should pick it back up.
Quote from: Taggie;1142583Conan with out describing things in explicit detail. The point is to have fun, not inflict sexual fantasies on ppl. So...the torture starts *fade to black* game mechanics only from now on
I reread several of the Conan stories 2-3 years ago. There isn't much in them that's "in explicit detail" at all, neither in the sexy stuff nor in the stabby stuff.
Quote from: Greentongue;1142696My guess is the "Tarnsman of Gor" and not Conan.
I wouldn't want to go there myself but a lot of books were sold so someone liked it.
I'm just more concerned with reenacting out of date/fashion sensibilities.
The Gor stories are certainly bondage/domination/submission kink, but they are very prudish about describing sex, and definitely 'fade to black'. They tend to be mostly long internal monologues about how all women secretly want to be enslaved. They don't really have a torture element at all from what I can recall.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1142699I reread several of the Conan stories 2-3 years ago. There isn't much in them that's "in explicit detail" at all, neither in the sexy stuff nor in the stabby stuff.
Greetings!
Very true, HappyDaze!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: S'mon;1142700The Gor stories are certainly bondage/domination/submission kink, but they are very prudish about describing sex, and definitely 'fade to black'. They tend to be mostly long internal monologues about how all women secretly want to be enslaved. They don't really have a torture element at all from what I can recall.
Greetings!
I remember reading the Tarnsman of Gor series of books. I recall them being ok, though sometimes funny and sometimes silly. Definitely not very explicit either.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1142590Not that it was explicit hardcore sex, but The Frost Giant's Daughter was a story about Conan chasing after a woman to have sex with her against her will.
Odd I thought she was luring men to their doom by ice giants.
Quote from: SHARK;1142706Greetings!
I remember reading the Tarnsman of Gor series of books. I recall them being ok, though sometimes funny and sometimes silly. Definitely not very explicit either.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
For a while there after I read every John Carter book I could find, on a recommendation I checked out the Gor books.
I vaguely remember two things from the couple Gor books I read;
A quote to the effect that "When a man of Gor tells you to draw your sword, you don't hesitate."
The silly bit about some tiger thing that it hunted by a team of spear armed men where they dive for cover, all except the last one who has to stand his ground.
Quote from: Greentongue;1142568What if you don't want to play a game that is politically correct but is correct for the time/genre it is set in?
Say a Conan, Indiana Jones or Tales of the Gold Monkey game for example.
How do you advertise without triggering a bunch of people?
Is this even possible to do in a non-private place?
Accompany the Conan advertisement with a Frazetta painting. Every SJW will faint in terror and will be unable to respond to you.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142662My guess is he didn't, and he knows Conan from some Feminist "analysis" at best.
I have, which is why I mentioned torture, but I did make the error of making a general point about using *fade to black* as a call by anyone in the game to ask for descriptions to stop, while specifying Conan, which doesn't need it so much as some.
Quote from: Taggie;1142740... making a general point about using *fade to black* as a call by anyone in the game to ask for descriptions to stop, ...
Sounds like a good idea actually up to a point.
Some of the books and movies that are the most horrific are those that imply and then leave things to your own imagination.
You can often horrify yourself more than someone else's detailed description.
Quote from: Greentongue;1142748Sounds like a good idea actually up to a point.
Some of the books and movies that are the most horrific are those that imply and then leave things to your own imagination.
You can often horrify yourself more than someone else's detailed description.
Events still occur, what was happening to the characters still happens, but the details are left to the imagination, so 'you under go x event requiring y check' rather than a full description.
Quote from: DickFeynman;1142738Accompany the Conan advertisement with a Frazetta painting. Every SJW will faint in terror and will be unable to respond to you.
Awesome idea (https://www.google.com/search?q=frazetta+art&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB876GB876&sxsrf=ALeKk03LWx2YRj9VzcYlBEn1ZHBE7esidQ:1596380952736&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9r_S85vzqAhURRxUIHXMUDgcQ_AUoAXoECBQQAw&biw=1366&bih=625)! :cool:
Gor is completely politically incorrect featuring explicit sex, violence, and slavery, with little left to the imagination. I just pulled Raiders of Gor by John Norman: The Chronicles of Counter-earth VOLUME 6 published by Ballantine in 1971 from my library, ...beginning right in the Introduction:
THE SHAME OF TARL CABOT
Telima lashed my wrists together tightly, with the strong hand of a working girl. She indicated that I should lie on my left side, facing her. Then, with another coil of marsh vine, she tied my ankles together.
As I lay there, she unlaced her tunic, opening it. Again she looked at me. To my amazement, insolently, with a liquid motion, she slipped the tunic off, over her head.
She sat on the mat and regarded me. "I See." she said, "That you must again be punished."
She struck me with savagery, four times.
I had been a warrior of Ko-Ro-ba.
Now I was only a girl's slave.
...and uh, this is about the least graphic and explicit part of the book.It has a very nice Boris Vallejo fantasy cover with lots of unclad or scantily clad women.
It's also about freedom though. It is the story of how Tarl Cabot freed himself, and his allies from the chains of slavers. He found himself a prisoner in a land without law, and made justice for himself and his chosen people (who were mostly slaves at the beginning of the story). He did despoil a few slave maidens on his journey, but freed just as many before the end of this particular story. It is absolutely politically incorrect, however the sjw have no right to take this story away from us, or to tell us we can't play such games if we want.
They have the right to enjoy fantasy, any way they want, without sex or violence, if it so suits them. They have no right though to tell us that we shouldn't enjoy fantasy games in the manner that we see fit. If they don't like it, they don't have join us to play. They can form their own gaming groups, just as we do.
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Quote from: GameDaddy;1142762Gor is completely politically incorrect featuring explicit sex
In the sense of "sex explicitly happens".
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1142581So after Conan kills you, he brings your girl friend chocolate and sends a nice flower arrangement to your funereal service? :)
That's hilarious, right there!!! The box reads, "Crom's Fine Chocolates".
Quote from: Greentongue;1142568How do you advertise without triggering a bunch of people?
It's not even about triggering. I wouldn't want in on a game with certain themes because I don't want to deal with any nerd drama that might pop up because of it. I just play RPGs for light entertainment, not deep introspection.
Just be open with it on the advertising of the game. You'll get triggered people wanting to cancel you, but at least they won't end up in your game.
Yeah there's certainly some sexual fantasy stuff happening in Conan, the Frost Giant's Daughter, or the princess that Conan captures in The People of the Black Circle.
Quote from: Shasarak;1142571It seems to me that it would be better to trigger early and then select from those players who were not triggered.
Although I admit to being curious what a politically correct Cimmerian Barbarian would look like.
This cracks me up because it's so true. The 2017~2018 K&L mass trigger shit storm on r/tabletop r/Rpg r/OSR was a historical event. I thought I was the problem for a good second. Wish someone told me of this site a bit earlier. To think all because women had 2 points less strength than men wtf.
Quote from: S'mon;1142768In the sense of "sex explicitly happens".
Not quite, it is everything 80's though, including the hair. Lol! Completely enough to make sjw completely insane, a sword and sandals epic with special guest appearances by
Jack Palance, Oliver Reed, Larry Taylor, Anne Power, Rebecca Ferrati, and Jenine Denison. Black dudes wearing whiteface dancing around nubile white girls, Jack Palance monologing Lots of gratuitous T/A and blood ...the usual.
Gor on Amazon Prime(1988)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B009KZHMNY/ref=atv_wl_hom_c_unkc_1_36
The of course, there is
Gor II, Outlaw of Gor, also with Jack Palance and Rebecca Ferrati, filmed and released in 1988.
So this has morphed into discussion of Conan. Huh. As for the OP, I agree that just making the nature and content of the game clear from the start seems best for recruiting. As for Conan,
Quote from: Shasarak;1142571It seems to me that it would be better to trigger early and then select from those players who were not triggered.
Although I admit to being curious what a politically correct Cimmerian Barbarian would look like.
I'm typically pointed at for political correctness around here - so I'd offer my own material as a possible example. I ran a few one-shot Conan games fifteen years ago, where all six of the pregen PCs were Cimmerian barbarians. I've got notes on the game here:
http://www.darkshire.net/~jhkim/rpg/brawnythews/
What is so difficult about putting the things you want in your game that you want to play?
Quote from: tenbones;1143048What is so difficult about putting the things you want in your game that you want to play?
I don't know. It is not merely for dealing with the politically correct, either. I've had a few cases where I was upfront about the PG or PG-13 nature of a game and a player opted out because he wanted something stronger than that in the play experience. No hard feeling either way: I'm running a game a little lighter in tone because of younger players, and the guy completely understood. My game wasn't for him. Save him and me both wasted time.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1143090I don't know. It is not merely for dealing with the politically correct, either. I've had a few cases where I was upfront about the PG or PG-13 nature of a game and a player opted out because he wanted something stronger than that in the play experience. No hard feeling either way: I'm running a game a little lighter in tone because of younger players, and the guy completely understood. My game wasn't for him. Save him and me both wasted time.
Sure - I'll tailor my games for age appropriateness. But if I'm running for adults... well I'll generally have adult fare. I rarely go outside of what I expect an honest representation of a culture or time period or location demands.
But to me - this is basically a GM running the game 1) they want to run 2) something the group wants to play. I draw the line at people telling me what is "appropriate". I'm not autistic, and as a parent I'm quite versed in what is appropriate for kids (especially those that aren't mine).
If we're really talking about infantile adults... which is what I consider those that demand political correctness as an a-priori demand... well that's where I have to point out "that's your problem, not mine. So let's not make it mine."
GRIM (aka James Desborough) wrote a GOR RPG. He does his best to make sure it can't be bought, thanks to his impeccable marketing skills, but here' a Lulu link:
https://www.lulu.com/shop/james-desborough/tales-of-gor-gorean-roleplaying/paperback/product-23169985.html (https://www.lulu.com/shop/james-desborough/tales-of-gor-gorean-roleplaying/paperback/product-23169985.html)
He's got an Amazon page, but I didn't see his RPGs. Money is bad!
He's got a bunch of GOR stuff on his site. Based on his other work, I expect his GOR work is well done.
https://post-mort.com/collections/roleplaying-games (https://post-mort.com/collections/roleplaying-games)
Quote from: GameDaddy;1142762They have no right though to tell us that we shouldn't enjoy fantasy games in the manner that we see fit.
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You're mistaken. If you meant to say they have no right to prevent you from playing....etc, then yes, you'd be correct. They have every right to tell you that you shouldn't, and you have the right to ignore them.
More generally, to weigh in on the 'Conan, was he rapey'? Thing, I'd say on balance the stories are a bit rapey, but Conan himself isn't, but the REASON he isn't is actually what makes the stories rapey. It's a little complex what I'm trying to say but I'll do my best to be concise.
Conan is sexually aggressive. I'm not going to break out my copy of the collected adventures but I'm pretty confident from memory that there are multiple examples of Conan laying his hands on a woman when she is resisting. The reason it turns out, in the end, not to be rapey when Conan does this, is that she wanted it all along apparently, and why wouldn't she? Conan is magnetic and attractive and physically perfect.
The problem with that is that sometimes a guy thinks he's Conan, and he isn't. What's even more of a problem is sometimes he is, and sometimes a woman wants to be handled that way. But sometimes she doesn't. REH isn't explicit in his writing about sex, but he's certainly dipping into rape fantasy tropes that appeal to both male and female readers (go check out what's popular on Wattpad by demograph).
If you have the intuition that the way Conan treats women is not just okay in the context of a fantasy story but generally okay morally, I invite you to the following thought experiment; Make Conan gay, swap out one of his lily white princesses for you, and ask yourself how an interaction with Conan would play out in the event that A) You didn't want it but you really did and B) No actually you really just didn't want it. Kind of hard to see a difference when all we have to go on is REHs writings, right? But that's okay, because it's fantasy, not a dating advice book. Do not read Conan as dating advice.
He murders a fucking TONNE of people, as well. Sometimes just to take their shit. I've noticed that people aren't very squeamish about theft and murder in their fantasy, though. Also do not read Conan for career guidance.
Quote from: BlackHarbour;1143276You're mistaken. If you meant to say they have no right to prevent you from playing....etc, then yes, you'd be correct. They have every right to tell you that you shouldn't, and you have the right to ignore them.
More generally, to weigh in on the 'Conan, was he rapey'? Thing, I'd say on balance the stories are a bit rapey, but Conan himself isn't, but the REASON he isn't is actually what makes the stories rapey. It's a little complex what I'm trying to say but I'll do my best to be concise.
Conan is sexually aggressive. I'm not going to break out my copy of the collected adventures but I'm pretty confident from memory that there are multiple examples of Conan laying his hands on a woman when she is resisting. The reason it turns out, in the end, not to be rapey when Conan does this, is that she wanted it all along apparently, and why wouldn't she? Conan is magnetic and attractive and physically perfect.
The problem with that is that sometimes a guy thinks he's Conan, and he isn't. What's even more of a problem is sometimes he is, and sometimes a woman wants to be handled that way. But sometimes she doesn't. REH isn't explicit in his writing about sex, but he's certainly dipping into rape fantasy tropes that appeal to both male and female readers (go check out what's popular on Wattpad by demograph).
If you have the intuition that the way Conan treats women is not just okay in the context of a fantasy story but generally okay morally, I invite you to the following thought experiment; Make Conan gay, swap out one of his lily white princesses for you, and ask yourself how an interaction with Conan would play out in the event that A) You didn't want it but you really did and B) No actually you really just didn't want it. Kind of hard to see a difference when all we have to go on is REHs writings, right? But that's okay, because it's fantasy, not a dating advice book. Do not read Conan as dating advice.
He murders a fucking TONNE of people, as well. Sometimes just to take their shit. I've noticed that people aren't very squeamish about theft and murder in their fantasy, though. Also do not read Conan for career guidance.
The whole discussion of Conan started out with someone who thought he remembered something, and it turned out he was wrong. So you follow up with
this?
By the way, cultivation theory is garbage, whether referring to books, movies, TV, video games, or RPGs. It got a stake through its heart during the "replication crisis" in the soft sciences. So, any assertion that books or RPGs shouldn't contain material because it might make real, live, people behave like the characters borders on idiocy. Popular idiocy, but idiocy nonetheless. As the old saying goes, there are some ideas so stupid that only an academic can believe them...
Quote from: BlackHarbour;1143276I'm not going to break out my copy of the collected adventures but I'm pretty confident from memory that there are multiple examples of Conan laying his hands on a woman when she is resisting.
I think this claim calls for actual quoted passages from the stories. I reread REH's original Conan stories a few years ago and don't remember any such examples. I'm not saying with absolute certainty that there aren't any, but I'd need evidence.
My recollection is that to the extent that the REH stories are "rapey" it's because the damsel in distress trope is. Since Conan rescues a few.
Quote from: Dimitrios;1143297I think this claim calls for actual quoted passages from the stories.
Your demands for evidence are getting in the way of his rape fantasies! :D
>> I'm pretty confident from memory that there are multiple examples of Conan laying his hands on a woman when she is resisting<<
You are wrong. You seem to be confusing Conan with Harlequin Romances.
Ive read a lot of conan stories recently and besides frost giants daughter they always BEG him for the dick not the other way around. And in the FGD case he's ensorcelled.
He does kidnap a woman in people of the black circle, but its to ransom her for his Headmen. He also buys a woman's clothes and she tells everyone he stole them from her in that story
Quote from: BlackHarbour;1143276Also do not read Conan for career guidance.
Well, let's see...
Barbarian, Thief, Mercenary, Pirate, Brigand, Scout, King, and some I've probably forgotten. That's a pretty awesome resume for his world.
Somehow I've run hundreds of sword & sorcery games and yet to have sexual issues derail the game.
In Conan, there isn't a party of adventurers. There's Conan and the hot chick. Not a bunch of people and the hot chick.
The only time I remember rampant fucking being part of the game session was when our crew was playing Mongoose Conan 1e and I was the Cimmerian barbarian du jour (named Kullnan of course). It became a regular joke of "where's Kullnan? Oh, he's fucking the slave girls again!" and "Ok Kullnan, you gotta kill the hot witch before she opens the portal to hell, so no fucking her first" or "Damn it Kullnan, stop complaining! We told you she was a serpentman in disguise!!"
Kullnan was almost as fun to play as my 7th Sea Castillian duelist Del Fuego who would seduce every female NPC, only to chastise them about how he was staying pure for his one true love.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1143320Somehow I've run hundreds of sword & sorcery games and yet to have sexual issues derail the game.
Maybe because neither the game nor your players lend to it?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1143320In Conan, there isn't a party of adventurers. There's Conan and the hot chick. Not a bunch of people and the hot chick.
Which is why I'm doing my sandbox totally not Conan Game, it's the same problem as with Star Wars, you either play in the past or future of the known lore or you'll never be THE HERO.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1143320The only time I remember rampant fucking being part of the game session was when our crew was playing Mongoose Conan 1e and I was the Cimmerian barbarian du jour (named Kullnan of course). It became a regular joke of "where's Kullnan? Oh, he's fucking the slave girls again!" and "Ok Kullnan, you gotta kill the hot witch before she opens the portal to hell, so no fucking her first" or "Damn it Kullnan, stop complaining! We told you she was a serpentman in disguise!!"
Kullnan was almost as fun to play as my 7th Sea Castillian duelist Del Fuego who would seduce every female NPC, only to chastise them about how he was staying pure for his one true love.
Now that's a funny running joke!
Conan is an example of such a complete Adonis Gary Stu character that of course he never has to quote unquote rape someone.
All women want him and all men want to be him.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1143326Maybe because neither the game nor your players lend to it?
I'm as "problematic" in real life as I'm on this forum, and most of my players aren't any better.
It's just that "sex scenes in a book" and "sex scenes in a tabletop game" aren't the same thing.
Especially in regards to momentum.
Unless we're talking a gangbang or orgy, sex scenes in a tabletop RPG involve 1 PC and 1 NPC.
AKA, it's like hacking in cyberpunk games. The game stops for the table while 1 PC plays his own mini-game.
Because momentum is key to immersion, I minimize any time focused on a single player that leaves the rest of the table unengaged.
Here's how I run the sexy time.
"Kullnan sweeps the barmaid in his arms and she's giggling as he takes her up the stairs."
"So what are the rest of you doing?"
[clatter some dice and let them respond.]
"Sounds good. We'll get back to Kullnan later, but funnily enough, nobody noticed the barmaid palm that dagger. Okay, we'll start with you, as your necromancer crawls under the table..."
Quote from: Spinachcat;1143347It's just that "sex scenes in a book" and "sex scenes in a tabletop game" aren't the same thing.
Especially in regards to momentum.
As this is about Conan and I've been reading through the 2d20 versions where Momentum is a game mechanic, this is unintentionally hilarious.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1143347I'm as "problematic" in real life as I'm on this forum, and most of my players aren't any better.
It's just that "sex scenes in a book" and "sex scenes in a tabletop game" aren't the same thing.
Especially in regards to momentum.
Unless we're talking a gangbang or orgy, sex scenes in a tabletop RPG involve 1 PC and 1 NPC
Or two PCs, which was hilarious when the other player was the GMs girlfriend. We really hammed it up.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1143373As this is about Conan and I've been reading through the 2d20 versions where Momentum is a game mechanic, this is unintentionally hilarious.
Actually, the OP was about trying not to trigger people because they assumed that your setting was "rapey" and then went off about it.
A Conan game is an excellent example that many can relate to so, glad to see the engagement.