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WFRP/W40K: The End?

Started by Frey, September 05, 2016, 02:54:06 PM

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yosemitemike

#90
September 08, 2016, 08:15:53 PM
FFG was and still is mainly a boardgame company.  They live lots of counters and custom dice.  3rd edition WHFRP is just the game I would expect from them.
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Madprofessor

#91
September 08, 2016, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;918061Note that neither 2nd edition nor 3rd edition were made by GW, this was a decade after 1st ed had been licensed out to Hogshead, so while GW's an easy target for hate, in this case they are simply the IP provider so its nothing to do with "the GW way".

Yes, I know, but 1e and 2 are quite similar, still basically the same game. Hogshead, BI, GR at least had the good sense to make the most of an awesome game rather than try to one up it. Regardless, GW is still responsible for hocking rather than cultivating their IP.  Most of my distrust of the company comes from the many editions, and subsequent canning of WFB.  

What I mean by the "GW way" is that they are unlikely to support anything that you already own.

QuoteThat said, it seems very unlikely GW would license out the Old World again; if another official RPG comes along its unfortunately more than likely to be set in Age of Sigmar.

Right

QuoteOriginally posted by yosemitemike

 FFG was and still is mainly a boardgame company. They live lots of counters and custom dice. 3rd edition WHFRP is just the game I would expect from them.

Yes, I know.  I still think GW owns some of the responsibility for this monstrosity.  It was their IP to sell in the first place.

yosemitemike

#92
September 08, 2016, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: Madprofessor;918066Yes, I know.  I still think GW owns some of the responsibility for this monstrosity.  It was their IP to sell in the first place.

I wasn't a huge fan of it and I think all the bits and bobs made it too expensive but I think monstrosity is going a bit far.
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AaronBrown99

#93
September 08, 2016, 09:06:40 PM
I love 3e, the dice mechanic adds narrative drive.

I would've preferred talent trees to cards, but I'll take the good with the bad. Disappointed it died, but i'll eventually find a copy of Hero's Call!
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TristramEvans

#94
September 08, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
You can always tell when someone has never read or played 3rd edition based on their complaints.

Madprofessor

#95
September 09, 2016, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike;918073I wasn't a huge fan of it and I think all the bits and bobs made it too expensive but I think monstrosity is going a bit far.

Yeah you're right, I probably did go too far.  I bought it enthusiastically, played it once, and sold it.  I never gave it a second chance.  For me it was worse because it was warhammer, but I wouldn't have liked the game regardless of setting.  Monstrosity? Maybe not, but certainly not my sort of game.

Madprofessor

#96
September 09, 2016, 12:36:44 AM
Just because someone doesn't like something you assume they're unfamiliar with it and are making it up? My word choice for describing it was perhaps none to subtle. I approached the game with an open mind and found it not at all to my liking.  Perhaps if I would have given it a second chance I would have grown to like it, but probably not.  Its just not my cup o' jo.  Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes with the comment.

yosemitemike

#97
September 09, 2016, 02:08:46 AM
No game will appeal to everyone.
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Frey

#98
September 09, 2016, 03:42:13 AM
I'd never understand why GW destroyed the Old World to create a new setting for Age of Sigmar.

Warboss Squee

#99
September 09, 2016, 04:18:32 AM
Quote from: Frey;918114I'd never understand why GW destroyed the Old World to create a new setting for Age of Sigmar.

Because after their failure to copyright Space Marine and thereby fuck over the wallet of anyone who tried to use the term, they needed a reason to rename everything in Warhammer Fantasy for MAXIMUM COPYRIIIIIGHT!

TrippyHippy

#100
September 09, 2016, 04:55:31 AM
I think, when FFG took over the Warhammer license, the real prize for them was the 40K lines which had only just kicked off with Dark Heresy. WFRP 2nd Edition had been out a few years by then, had a load of supplements and as a publishing run was beginning to wind down. I imagine the management just looked at the fantasy game as an opportunity to experiment with the form and presentation of a RPG, hence the way in which they packaged the 3rd edition in the manner of one of their boardgames. It was a worthy experiment in some ways, but ultimately it didn't really appeal to a new audience or the established fanbase.
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Necrozius

#101
September 09, 2016, 05:57:14 AM
I wonder if this means that my Complete Collection of WFRP 3e will go up in value. I have everything for that game except for the very last print-on-demand spell pack (for one of the Cleric schools, I think).

yosemitemike

#102
September 09, 2016, 06:17:56 AM
Quote from: TrippyHippy;918117I think, when FFG took over the Warhammer license, the real prize for them was the 40K lines which had only just kicked off with Dark Heresy. WFRP 2nd Edition had been out a few years by then, had a load of supplements and as a publishing run was beginning to wind down. I imagine the management just looked at the fantasy game as an opportunity to experiment with the form and presentation of a RPG, hence the way in which they packaged the 3rd edition in the manner of one of their boardgames. It was a worthy experiment in some ways, but ultimately it didn't really appeal to a new audience or the established fanbase.

That approach has worked well for them in their board games and they had everything all set up to do it.  It just doesn't seem to have worked all that well for an RPG.  They haven't repeated it anyway.
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TrippyHippy

#103
September 09, 2016, 07:35:47 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike;918121That approach has worked well for them in their board games and they had everything all set up to do it.  It just doesn't seem to have worked all that well for an RPG.  They haven't repeated it anyway.

I agree for the most part, although they did retain the dice-pool mechanic for their Star Wars games.
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TrippyHippy

#104
September 09, 2016, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;918061Note that neither 2nd edition nor 3rd edition were made by GW, this was a decade after 1st ed had been licensed out to Hogshead, so while GW's an easy target for hate, in this case they are simply the IP provider so its nothing to do with "the GW way".

That said, it seems very unlikely GW would license out the Old World again; if another official RPG comes along its unfortunately more than likely to be set in Age of Sigmar.

Actually, WFRP 2nd edition was technically made by GW, as Black Industries was a subsidiary of GW. It was designed outhouse though - through Green Ronin.
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