Quote from: Apparition;1074815They literally refuse to use another video games store and launcher on their computer because they want all of their video games to use the same launcher.

That is especially lazy since you can add non-Steam-purchased games to your Library for purposes of using Steam as your launcher. It's not even hard.

Quote from: trechriron;1074874Itch.io seems more geared towards video games...

Oh yeah. But it already exists and has an audience for TTRPGs

https://itch.io/physical-games/genre-rpg

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1074927That is especially lazy since you can add non-Steam-purchased games to your Library for purposes of using Steam as your launcher. It's not even hard.

There's more to it than just that. As mentioned, it's also the lack of reviews and forums for games on Epic's store. There's also that Epic is owned partially bey Tencent, so who knows what is going to be hidden inside the launcher's code.

Quote from: rgrove0172;1074873I just pay and download, could give three shits about their lame ass politics.

Except now DTRPG will decide WHAT you are allowed to have.

If you want banned products, you will have to hunt in the far corners.

And who knows who/what gets banned next?

Who are the DTRG alternatives?

Warehouse23 and....

Well, there's Open Gaming Store.  You can find it here:  https://www.opengamingstore.com/

Quote from: Gypsy Knights Games;1074969Well, there's Open Gaming Store.  You can find it here:  https://www.opengamingstore.com/

Since it is RPG oriented, the search is a bit better but there is no way I could find to limit the search to PDF products. (Weirdly, you can look for Print Only.) They've hidden the "how to sell through us" on their Contact Us page.

QuoteIf You're a Publisher/Vendor but not yet part of the Open Gaming Store...

    Looking for info on joining the store? Send an email to help@opengamingstore.com to get the info. Our store commission is just 20% on digital (downloadable) products or 30% on physical products that WE ship. We pay you monthly for the previous months sales via Paypal.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1074935Who are the DTRG alternatives?

Warehouse23 and....

Warehouse23 is just for Steve Jackson Games' stuff. Realistically, I see people list at either DTRPG, Lulu via their own website "storefront", or Amazon.

I wonder if someplace like Smashwords or Phoenix Pick could be induced to create an RPG version of their sites? Someplace with the infrastructure for digital and print already in place and that seem pretty politically neutralish. (I know of both publishers because of libertarian authors using their sites.)

Quote from: Tod13;1074973Warehouse23 is just for Steve Jackson Games' stuff.

Somebody might want to let all the publishers selling via Warehouse23 that aren't SJG know about that.

Not arguing that Warehouse23 is a viable alternative, but they certainly aren't just a company store.  Hell, Paizo has a PDF-store, and sells a ton of 3rd-party content as well, but good luck with them if DTRPG is censoring content.  Paizo would be quicker to ban content than anyone.

Quote from: kythri;1074977Somebody might want to let all the publishers selling via Warehouse23 that aren't SJG know about that.

Not arguing that Warehouse23 is a viable alternative, but they certainly aren't just a company store.  Hell, Paizo has a PDF-store, and sells a ton of 3rd-party content as well, but good luck with them if DTRPG is censoring content.  Paizo would be quicker to ban content than anyone.

Where is it? (Not arguing. Just can't find it.) Also, I can't find anything about getting stuff on it.

Quote from: GameDaddyokay I will. I'll post again here when it is up and running.

Please do and good luck.

Quote from: PsikerlordI believe Itch is growing in popularity for TRPGs...?

Never heard of it before, I'll get a closer look. The question is how politically neutral they are. Also, can they stand against a bunch of angry kids with psychological issues demanding product takedowns for insane ideological reasons.

Quote from: JeremyREspecially when DTRPG charges you more money (5% more) if you have products elsewhere

Woah, do they actually do something like this? Is that a normal business practice for online marketplace platforms? Sounds just wrong to me, but then I'm not a business person.

Guess that explains why it's nigh impossible to find even free stuff like quickstarts or character sheets outside DTRPG today. Years ago the usual place to look for such stuff was publisher's site, but now they mostly redirect to DTRPG, which irks me to no end.

Quote from: S'monI expect it's DTRPG censoring the famous SJW and accused serial sex abuser Zak S.

I don't care about Zak's excesses (I do like some of his products and I'd like to see Demon City published regardless of any perceived or true misconduct). But censoring creators under SJW pressure, and censoring by association in particular? That's the last straw for me as far as DTRPG is concerned.

Quote from:  NerzenjägerOh, another thing: Free speech doesn't exist.

Frankly? I don't much care about "free speech" as such either. The way I see it, the variation of "free speech" that is usually discussed here, especially as it relates to your left vs. right politics, is a very American concept rooted in certain cultural assumptions that don't apply equally all around the globe. Not my politics, not my culture, don't care.

That's why I specifically used the word "censorship". I'm not about lofty ideals, it's a very concrete threat. Also one that used to be a thing in my country during my lifetime, and fuck it, I sure as hell don't want it to come back through my hobby now.

Quote from: tenbones;1074808Build it. They will come.

Joseph Browning of XRP set up Your Games Now in 2007 as a publisher-friendly general RPG PDF retailer, in response to RPGNow and DriveThruRPG merging into OneBookshelf.

They didn't come, and it shut down in 2014.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1074935Who are the DTRG alternatives?

Warehouse23 and....

Paizo is probably #2.

If Ron Edwards can successfully create a dinky little alternative like the Unstore, most of these small publishers can too. Is it going to replace OBS? Not likely, but at least it gives people a choice.

Quote from: Tod13;1075009Where is it? (Not arguing. Just can't find it.) Also, I can't find anything about getting stuff on it.

http://www.warehouse23.com/products

Look at the left, under "Company", and "Show More" to expand that list.

Like you, I couldn't readily find information on how to sell through the Warehouse 23 site, but I also didn't care to spend a bunch of time digging.

Quote from: kythri;1075049http://www.warehouse23.com/products

Look at the left, under "Company", and "Show More" to expand that list.

Like you, I couldn't readily find information on how to sell through the Warehouse 23 site, but I also didn't care to spend a bunch of time digging.

:eek: Thanks!