Sommerjon...being a dick one QUOTE Statement at a time.

Quote from: CRKrueger;912805Do they like the setting?  Are they in it for the NPCs, the world, the work you've put into it?  Or are they in it for the system, the widgets, the interaction of powers, the builds, the kicking the living shit out of everything?

This is what I was trying to get at with my comment way above.  Are they wanting to play your campaign or are they wanting to play D&D5e?

I went through this stuff a long time ago with Palladium games.  The crew I played with didn't want to play campaigns.  They wanted to play Palladium system games.

Quote from: Coffee Zombie;912492SI am DMing, and am sick to death of 5E. I don't think it's the antichrist of D&D or anything, but I have a number of serious complaints. The group is around level 8 (5 players) and almost anything I throw at them, even when I throw Deadly Encounters (by the book, at the very highest end of the xp budget or above), I can't challenge them anymore. Their magical items are moderate at best, one character still has none at all. I also find the sheer number of abilities the characters have is daunting to keep track of. I want to just take the campaign, wave the wand and have it switch to AD&D (1e) and keep moving on.

Well, say the above words to your players. Problem solved.

Why the hell is this thread five pages long? What happened to "be a normal intelligent mature adult and solve a problem the obvious and easy way"?

For the record Coffee Zombie, I don't think you deserve the abuse you've been getting for all this.

Quote from: Kellri;912879Sommerjon...being a dick one QUOTE Statement at a time.

Too subtle?

I'm no Rhodes Scholar, but when a moron comes trotting in here, says his gaming group is having a total blast playing, but he(the moron) is not cuz...he can't figure out how to make the group fear him?  
Some where's there's more to this than what he(the moron) is saying.

That and he came here to confirm that his total devotion to 1e is justified.  You know liking preaching to the choir.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;912958For the record Coffee Zombie, I don't think you deserve the abuse you've been getting for all this.

Why not?

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;912958For the record Coffee Zombie, I don't think you deserve the abuse you've been getting for all this.

Its the way he worded the opening post that draws fire.

I doubt thered be so much negative if the OP had said something like "I played 5e thus and thus and after some thought I still prefer AD&D and plan to go back to that."

Sommerjon, show us on the doll the naughty place where the bad DM in your past touched you.

This site brings out the worst in most.

Stay classy.

Quote from: Omega;912989Its the way he worded the opening post that draws fire.

I doubt thered be so much negative if the OP had said something like "I played 5e thus and thus and after some thought I still prefer AD&D and plan to go back to that."

Yeah, agreed. I was sick as a dog and gliding low on cough medicine and humdrum. But my fault, I could have worded it less whiney/conflicted. Basically, was just venting. On the upside, the advice was great, both positive and negative.

To Gabriel2 (was my phone atm so it's harder to look back in posts) my players want to play my campaign, but also enjoy the rules. It's rarely hard to sell them on a new game, or a new idea, but I tire faster of a stagnant experience than them. So instead of making them choose between my game and the rules, I'll just tie up the game, and we can figure out together what to do next. But generally, for reasons, I had finding it hard to talk to them about this all. Problem solved - I'll just fess up about how much it really does irritate me and be done with it.

To estar, you got me thinking, and I think I may actually try either OD&D (or a clone) or even LL, since I like the smaller, tighter rules set.

Quote from: Coffee Zombie;913022To estar, you got me thinking, and I think I may actually try either OD&D (or a clone) or even LL, since I like the smaller, tighter rules set.

Check out Basic Fantasy Role-playing Game as well. The free .pdf is a winner. It's not the clone most true to the B/X or even BECMI games, but it does a good job of sort of updating them. Some examples include ascending AC, race does not equal class, and it flat out removed alignments. And, if you decide you must own the print copies, they are sold at cost. Of course, nothing scratches my nostalgia itch more than opening up Moldvay's red cover Basic book.

Quote from: Harlock;913042Check out Basic Fantasy Role-playing Game as well. The free .pdf is a winner. It's not the clone most true to the B/X or even BECMI games, but it does a good job of sort of updating them. Some examples include ascending AC, race does not equal class, and it flat out removed alignments. And, if you decide you must own the print copies, they are sold at cost. Of course, nothing scratches my nostalgia itch more than opening up Moldvay's red cover Basic book.

To add to this, the website has a ton of free stuff to add on as well if you're interested. There's a number of free adventures as well as extra classes, races, or other/alternate rules to try out for those who want them. I've got all of the BFRPG stuff in PDF as well as print (including multiple core books of various releases) and it's my favorite game for putting together a short campaign or just a one-night session since the rules are incredibly simple and familiar and, as mentioned, every player in the group can get a book for less than the cost of a single typical RPG book from one of the major companies.

Quote from: Sommerjon;912966I'm no Rhodes Scholar...

You should have stopped right there. Less really is more where you're concerned.

Quote from: Omega;912989Its the way he worded the opening post that draws fire.

I doubt thered be so much negative if the OP had said something like "I played 5e thus and thus and after some thought I still prefer AD&D and plan to go back to that."

This sounds like the, "HE STARTED IT!" defense. Not that folks need an additional excuse to act like a dick, but doing so, and blaming someone else for your own douche baggery,  is...is...well, I guess you can run for President of the United States.

Quote from: cranebump;913187This sounds like the, "HE STARTED IT!" defense. Not that folks need an additional excuse to act like a dick, but doing so, and blaming someone else for your own douche baggery,  is...is...well, I guess you can run for President of the United States.

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