Careful.  If you backpedal too hard, you may run into something.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;572603Careful.  If you backpedal too hard, you may run into something.

Which post is me backpedaling?

1. Four Eee "I grew up as a sailor, so why wouldn't I be able to fish?"

2.

3. Because D&D is not historical re-enactments.
You are the one assuming skills because of historical accounts of life on earth. That has absolutely nothing to do with a D&D.

4. a lot is a very relative term here.

5. Your assertions are based purely upon a small percentage of ships/sailors relative to the number of ships plying the seas. There was thousands of small sailing craft that plied the oceans where the sailors were also fishermen. You have whole cities based upon it.

No I did not assume a sailor would be good at fishing I said that one particular character was a sailor who knew how to fish, you are the one making the absurd jump of me saying sailor = fishermen.

Quote from: Sommerjon;572701Which post is me backpedaling?

So instead of us playing the "Implied vs. Inferred" game (which you seem to really like provoking), lets go with this.

In a thread contrasting 1e with 4e, why would you make a statement like that?  
What were you trying to say about the 4e system, if anything?  
What specific aspect of the 4e system were you talking about, if any?

Turns in 1e are pretty abstract, so you can't really nail down the martial 'beats' all that well.

Though the Robin Hood fight definitely maps to Burning Wheel spectacularly, complete with people rolling around on the ground in pain and struggling just to stay in the fight.

Quote from: CRKrueger;572703So instead of us playing the "Implied vs. Inferred" game (which you seem to really like provoking), lets go with this.

In a thread contrasting 1e with 4e, why would you make a statement like that?  
What were you trying to say about the 4e system, if anything?  
What specific aspect of the 4e system were you talking about, if any?

Backgrounds

Quote from: Sommerjon;572701Which post is me backpedaling?

1. Four Eee "I grew up as a sailor, so why wouldn't I be able to fish?"

2.

3. Because D&D is not historical re-enactments.
You are the one assuming skills because of historical accounts of life on earth. That has absolutely nothing to do with a D&D.

You seriously can't see it?  You're making an assumption based on a real life perception you have.  When shown to you how that assumption is not correct, you say "don't make assumptions based on real life because it's D&D".

Wow.  You had literally just said not to do something you had just done.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;572760You seriously can't see it?  You're making an assumption based on a real life perception you have.  When shown to you how that assumption is not correct, you say "don't make assumptions based on real life because it's D&D".

Wow.  You had literally just said not to do something you had just done.

You didn't show anything about not being correct.
You said in response to me first post
"let's just gloss over the fact that I probably would allow anyone to attempt to fish, but just because you were a sailor doesn't mean you had ever fished before.

It's not like most sailors, especially on large ships, ever tossed a rod and reel over the side. They were usually busy doing other stuff. This is compounded that many sailors were forced to do so and didn't have much choice on their career field.

It's like saying, "Oh, you're a race car driver? You should totally know how to be a mechanic too then." "
Lets tear this apart.
"but just because you were a sailor doesn't mean you had ever fished before."
You are 100% correct.  But it doesn't mean you haven't.

"It's not like most sailors, especially on large ships, ever tossed a rod and reel over the side."
So is every ship large?  gosh no they ain't so who gives a shit.  What about those thousands of small fishing vessels where they did toss over lines?  You know the ones that had sails and oars?  Don't they get a vote or is it just large ships?

"They were usually busy doing other stuff. This is compounded that many sailors were forced to do so and didn't have much choice on their career field." Perhaps they were busy doing other stuff, so?  more than just large ships on the waters.  Oh here is this shit about large ships again.
Guess what there is more than large ships on the seas.  and shhh, don't tell anyone, not everyone of them were forced to be on large ships.  crazy ain't it.

"It's like saying, "Oh, you're a race car driver? You should totally know how to be a mechanic too then.""
No actually it's not even close.

Are all fishermen sailors?   No.  Are the odds heavily in your favor of a sailor also being a fishermen?  Yes.

Quote from: Benoist;572554OK guys. Stop it with the blind links. These aren't allowed on the RPG Site. You should describe what the link is about, where it leads to, etc along with the link. We've established that before.

Done fixed mine.  Sorry.

Quote from: Sommerjon;572560a lot is a very relative term here.

Sure it is relative, but I just wanted to admit I had been falsely assuming all sailors can fish, etc..

I realize now that is not correct.