Quote from: the crypt keeper on May 27, 2022, 09:06:51 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 27, 2022, 04:29:17 PM

Quote from: the crypt keeper on May 27, 2022, 02:36:55 PM


Wow, you're pontificating in this thread while admitting you don't even know what the fuck we're talking about?  That takes balls...

I do have a pair.

In your mouth.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 27, 2022, 05:41:27 PM
Drivethrurpg is banning a product for mentioning politics they don't agree with, while maintaining a monopoly on the market. That's a problem.

Agreed.

Quote from: the crypt keeper on May 27, 2022, 08:57:56 PM
I call it the free market.

I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Anyone can register a domain and setup an eCommerce site to sell and distribute their stuff.  This is the free market.

Getting other people to market and sell your stuff, means that you need to produce something that they will not find negatively impacts their business.  In this case you are attempting to trade off of the marketing and goodwill established by another company instead of doing the work to generate your own.  This is also the free market.

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Anyone can register a domain and setup an eCommerce site to sell and distribute their stuff.  This is the free market.

And no one's going to find your newly registered RPG store domain #678,298. When a single company controls like 90%+ of all commerce in a given industry that's a defacto monopoly. Everything else is hypothetical bullshit and abstract, pie in the sky possibilities, not the real world or concrete on the ground realities. This is being under the thumb of a monopolistic distributor.

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 10:45:33 AM

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Anyone can register a domain and setup an eCommerce site to sell and distribute their stuff.  This is the free market.

And no one's going to find your newly registered RPG store domain #678,298. When a single company controls like 90%+ of all commerce in a given industry that's a defacto monopoly. Everything else is hypothetical bullshit and abstract, pie in the sky possibilities, not the real world or concrete on the ground realities. This is being under the thumb of a monopolistic distributor.

So what? Quit bitching and take control of your own destiny using your own following.  No one owes you anything.

If you made anything worth having you will get word of mouth and viral exposure.  This is exactly what the free market is.  Anything else is a distortion of market forces and by definition not free.

Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2022, 06:02:58 PM
Greetings!

If thousands of Conservatives flooded DTHRPG with screaming emails, threatening to stop working, marketing, or buying a damned thing ever again from DTHTPG, then you would see that fucking company change on a dime.

That won't happen though, unfortunately, because unlike the Leftists, the Conservatives are too lazy, uninvolved, disunited, and uncoordinated. That dynamic *might* change, but I am not overly optimistic about such a change happening.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Conservatism is starting to grow again.  If each of us (in this thread) convinced 10 people to email DTRPG about what we wanted to see and what we didn't on their platform, things might change.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 07:22:04 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 27, 2022, 04:27:45 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 02:30:45 PM

Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 27, 2022, 01:58:27 PM

I won't make you read the entire blog post to tell you what happened.  DriveThruRPG is effectively banning The Good Syma'arian unless I make certain changes, which I won't do. 

If you want more details (and the PDF), click the link:
http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-verdict.html

Despite the fact that I don't agree with your stance on abortion at all. I'm very disappointed with this result and it's a goal for censorship. However, I suppose it was inevitable, especially after the banning of wight power.

Sadly, you, Raggi, and GJ are on a woke scold hitlist. Pundit's stuff is safe (for now) because he doesn't have mature content. As you say, if this product didn't have the anti text in the beginning it would have flown under the radar (IMO).

However, I'm delighted that you've stuck to your guns and won't be editing the product. Respect...

Thanks, hoss! 

I didn't know Wight Power was banned... what happened?  Because of the joke name, content, or something else?

Didn't Raggi say that if one of his products ever got blacklisted on DriveThru that he'd pull them all?

Sorry man... I was speaking a little bit metaphorically there, as opposed to being literal. I meant about the banning of the cover of wight power. Raggi had to change it for it to be allowed on drivthru with that 'redacted' cover (afaik).

And a woke scold hitlist is probably not anything official or even on drivethru per se. But more of a 'we better not upset the woke scolds' because we don't want to look bad.

No prob.  I was unaware of the cover change and controversy that entailed.  Because of the name or something else?

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 11:06:00 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 10:45:33 AM

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Anyone can register a domain and setup an eCommerce site to sell and distribute their stuff.  This is the free market.

And no one's going to find your newly registered RPG store domain #678,298. When a single company controls like 90%+ of all commerce in a given industry that's a defacto monopoly. Everything else is hypothetical bullshit and abstract, pie in the sky possibilities, not the real world or concrete on the ground realities. This is being under the thumb of a monopolistic distributor.

So what? Quit bitching and take control of your own destiny using your own following.  No one owes you anything.

If you made anything worth having you will get word of mouth and viral exposure.  This is exactly what the free market is.  Anything else is a distortion of market forces and by definition not free.

While there's something to be said for "the town square", such as kicking conservatives off Twitter even if they didn't break the rules, I agree with you.  Since I do have a following, I may decide to create my own platform.  I certainly have enough products to get things started. 

But for now, I will stick with DriveThru while using them to increase my exposure, as I already have several irons in the fire.

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM


I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Indeed this is why I'm against 'unrestrained' capitalism.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 28, 2022, 11:25:27 AM
No prob.  I was unaware of the cover change and controversy that entailed.  Because of the name or something else?

Apparently, man, it was just the cover's title they were not happy with afaik. But I've not read the actual module. I did watch Pundit's vid on it. So that's how I got the skinny.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 28, 2022, 12:03:53 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM


I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Indeed this is why I'm against 'unrestrained' capitalism.

Mhm.

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 11:06:00 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 10:45:33 AM

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Anyone can register a domain and setup an eCommerce site to sell and distribute their stuff.  This is the free market.

And no one's going to find your newly registered RPG store domain #678,298. When a single company controls like 90%+ of all commerce in a given industry that's a defacto monopoly. Everything else is hypothetical bullshit and abstract, pie in the sky possibilities, not the real world or concrete on the ground realities. This is being under the thumb of a monopolistic distributor.

So what? Quit bitching and take control of your own destiny using your own following.  No one owes you anything.

If you made anything worth having you will get word of mouth and viral exposure.  This is exactly what the free market is.  Anything else is a distortion of market forces and by definition not free.

Obviously you should build your own following and website as a contingency plan, but that is besides the point. You will never (EVER, no matter how many bullshit platitudes people give you on the internet) be able to compete against DTRPG because that simply isn't how people shop. People don't scour the internet looking for every individual company that might possibly sell stuff they want--most of the time they won't even remember those company's names. They go to a centralized location because not only is that more convenient, but it's the only realistic way they can shop around if they don't have a specific item they're looking for in mind.

Your own personal shop may get you a sale here or there if you do email campaigns and people actually give you their emails, but that's it. Pundit, Venger and Grim Jim all have their stuff at DTRPG. Grim might have his own personal shop as a contingency, but he still sells through DTRPG. If having your own shop was such a sure thing why does EVERYBODY (even bigass companies) still sell their stuff primarily there?

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 12:50:05 PM
Pundit, Venger and Grim Jim all have their stuff at DTRPG. Grim might have his own personal shop as a contingency, but he still sells through DTRPG. If having your own shop was such a sure thing why does EVERYBODY (even bigass companies) still sell their stuff primarily there?

Ideally, you want to cut out the middle man but that's exceedingly hard to do in the case of drivthru. Especially if you want to be semi-professional...

Why did you make Dyleth a demon?

Quote from: VengerSatanis on May 28, 2022, 11:32:24 AM

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 11:06:00 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 10:45:33 AM

Quote from: Palleon on May 28, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on May 28, 2022, 09:36:12 AM
I call it monopolistic practices, which is not the Free Market.

But I notice you don't have a real argument, and are just pushing this view for strictly tribal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with principles, a company's sacred rights to screw people over, or WTF a "free market" actually is.

Anyone can register a domain and setup an eCommerce site to sell and distribute their stuff.  This is the free market.

And no one's going to find your newly registered RPG store domain #678,298. When a single company controls like 90%+ of all commerce in a given industry that's a defacto monopoly. Everything else is hypothetical bullshit and abstract, pie in the sky possibilities, not the real world or concrete on the ground realities. This is being under the thumb of a monopolistic distributor.

So what? Quit bitching and take control of your own destiny using your own following.  No one owes you anything.

If you made anything worth having you will get word of mouth and viral exposure.  This is exactly what the free market is.  Anything else is a distortion of market forces and by definition not free.

While there's something to be said for "the town square", such as kicking conservatives off Twitter even if they didn't break the rules, I agree with you.  Since I do have a following, I may decide to create my own platform.  I certainly have enough products to get things started. 

But for now, I will stick with DriveThru while using them to increase my exposure, as I already have several irons in the fire.

Did you think of trying to put up your book for sale on itch.io ?

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on May 27, 2022, 07:32:01 PM
Beat me to it... Exactly, When companies have a monopoly then it is a problem.

Also, why is Venger's stuff targeted? It's not the first time either (Alpha Blue). I've read plenty of stuff on there that is just as easily as edgy. Like, Black Dog Gaming Factory, Black Tokyo, Baali clanbook.

Would they target Venger if he was a huge publisher? IMO I think not.

You missed the blow-up here and on BGG over one of Black Tokyo's products some years ago when this current wave of woke disease was in its big  "rape" phase. They pull this gag every iteration. BGG covertly shuttered at least one of the BT product and odds are they shuttered all of them. BGG and DTRPG are way to similar at times.