EDIT:
As an update from yesterday, I spoke with Chris Birch by email. In fact, they are not announcing WFRPG 4e. This is a real shame. Good news, and potentially bad as well.
The ultimate question is this: what does Games Workshop and FFG intend to do with the license for the roleplaying game? Will Warhammer live on as Diskwars with FFG, or will we \ see systems-agnostic, supplementary material from Games Workshop?
Quick, raise your hand if this came as a surprise in any fashion.
Anyone? Didn't think so.
I wonder if I could get a few bucks off all my 3rd ed stuff... It takes up so much damn space!!
I wish they get the license. They can do better without the board game aspects that Fantasy Flight tries to force down those RPGs.
Meh, Jay Little's the one who fucked up 3e, guess his "post fuckup an existing and long-running rpg license" follow-up effort didn't go as well as EP did for Rob Boyle.
Wouldn't it be a lot more likely that Mophidius is planning to announce a Chronopia RPG, given the Mutant Chronicles licence?
Quote from: CRKrueger;784498Meh, Jay Little's the one who fucked up 3e, guess his "post fuckup an existing and long-running rpg license" follow-up effort didn't go as well as EP did for Rob Boyle.
Yeah, I don't trust any edition of WFRP with him near helm to be back to the roots. Especially since, to be fair, the wargame itself moved about as far from the roots as heroes of Roots.
WFRP 4e using the Mutant Chronicles rules? Meh.
I wasn't impressed with MC 3e. The whole KS seemed like a moneygrab to promote lots of shiny to collectors, completists and non-players who just stick more stuff on shelves. I get nice nice emails from Modiphius, but what I don't seem to find is people talking about MC actual play or any building of an actual play community. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.
Bad news for Zweihander though.
An "official" edition will draw away attention as the usual suspects go running toward the new GW approved shiny. Sorry German Two Handed Dude :(
Also, I have no idea WHICH Warhammer setting they would support. The original fantasy game? The original RPG? The current world of WFB? The world of the novels? Some mishmash of Warhammer-isms?
BTW, I got some great Lustria stuff from Strike to Stun years ago. That was a blast for our crew who wanted to play something different in the GW-verse. Our Lustria campaign was "Conquistadors" coming to steal gold and magic from the reawakening race of Lizardmen while competing against and avoiding the Dark Elves....and it all went really, really bad.
Fun stuff.
Where does it say that they'll use the same system as Mutant Chronicles?
As for the off-Empire settings, yeah, it's a bit sad, but really, I thought GR did a great job with Bretonnia and the Border Princes in 2e. The Empire gazetteers were also good, though not really stellar.
What I'd like to see, whether for the Empire or elsewhere, is solid game-table-ready map-crawl material.
Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;784459With every new edition of Warhammer, there has been a distinct lack of new, sponsored content. What about Estalia? Norsca? Lustria? Halflings in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 3E? The other lands outside of the Old World? Fortunately, the Liber Fanatica (http://www.liberfanatica.net/) and Strike to Stun (http://forum.strike-to-stun.net/index.php) communities have helped fill in the gaps, providing rich content for fans to place into their own campaign.
So what about them? Do enough people give a shit to make it worth a company's time to publish those books? Is it worth the return on investment for BI/GR/FFG?
Don't get me wrong, there's clearly an interesting setting to the east, or even the south, but the only people who have even a suggestion it exists are old-school warhammer geeks (Like, well, us). And we aren't worth that much money.
(Of course, that's even assuming GW would let outsiders write such a relatively large portion of their setting; FFG's 40k settings are all relatively small and ignorable.)
Quote from: The Butcher;784552Where does it say that they'll use the same system as Mutant Chronicles?
It doesn't even say that its WFRP4e.
Quote from: Ladybird;784554So what about them? Do enough people give a shit to make it worth a company's time to publish those books? Is it worth the return on investment for BI/GR/FFG?
Don't get me wrong, there's clearly an interesting setting to the east, or even the south, but the only people who have even a suggestion it exists are old-school warhammer geeks (Like, well, us). And we aren't worth that much money.
(Of course, that's even assuming GW would let outsiders write such a relatively large portion of their setting; FFG's 40k settings are all relatively small and ignorable.)
'Stone and Steel' typically seems to fetch about 50 quid on ebay, and as far as I can tell most people who purchase it want it for background material for their Dwarf army. Going on that principle you could probably make money on every region that has a popular Army book.
And lets be honest here, a lot of the development is already done in the army books and novels anyway. Hell, GW can make money selling hardback books with nothing but information about uniforms in them...
Quote from: Ladybird;784554So what about them? Do enough people give a shit to make it worth a company's time to publish those books? Is it worth the return on investment for BI/GR/FFG?
Don't get me wrong, there's clearly an interesting setting to the east, or even the south, but the only people who have even a suggestion it exists are old-school warhammer geeks (Like, well, us). And we aren't worth that much money.
Even if they did a write-up for say... Lustria... it's not going to be based on the original Lustria stuff GW hinted at... dinosaurs and aliens and pygmies(!) amid jungle ruins of ancient technology. Instead it would be in line with whatever GW's current retconned version is... lizardmen and dark elves... designed to sell the mostest/biggest toy soldiers.
No thanks.
Quote from: Skywalker;784500Wouldn't it be a lot more likely that Mophidius is planning to announce a Chronopia RPG, given the Mutant Chronicles licence?
That's
exactly how I read that "non-announcement".
I don't see that GW would give an official
Warhammer license to the company that produces the
Mutant Chronicles RPG, a game line that is in direct competition with
WH40K.
Quote from: Skywalker;784500Wouldn't it be a lot more likely that Mophidius is planning to announce a Chronopia RPG, given the Mutant Chronicles licence?
Now THAT would be something I might be interested in... I always liked Chronopia's dark and brutal setting.
nope
Quote from: Chris BirchWe're announcing something else later in september, not WFRP though...
There was never any serious prospect that anyone would be announcing WFRP 4th ed at this time, regardless of their other projects, unless the company in question were FFG.
FFG are still actively producing 40K RPG material and working on reprints of WFRP 3E stuff (they never said they were stopping selling it, only that they'd stopped making new products for it). We can infer from this that they still have the RPG licence from GW because if they didn't they'd have to stop doing both of those things sharpish. With the licence in FFG's hands, nobody else is going to be doing any official WFRP stuff until that changes.
Quote from: mhensley;784634nope
Good news for
Zweihänder, then...
Quote from: Warthur;784635There was never any serious prospect that anyone would be announcing WFRP 4th ed at this time, regardless of their other projects, unless the company in question were FFG.
FFG are still actively producing 40K RPG material and working on reprints of WFRP 3E stuff (they never said they were stopping selling it, only that they'd stopped making new products for it). We can infer from this that they still have the RPG licence from GW because if they didn't they'd have to stop doing both of those things sharpish. With the licence in FFG's hands, nobody else is going to be doing any official WFRP stuff until that changes.
You're probably right, but it's worth bearing in mind that Fantasy and 40k may be distinct licences (As they are distinct settings), we don't know the full details of their agreements - there are separate videogame licences for the two.
I want an RPG set in the Blood Bowl world, but again, who else would.
Quote from: Ladybird;784668You're probably right, but it's worth bearing in mind that Fantasy and 40k may be distinct licences (As they are distinct settings), we don't know the full details of their agreements - there are separate videogame licences for the two.
I want an RPG set in the Blood Bowl world, but again, who else would.
I would.
Quote from: Ladybird;784668I want an RPG set in the Blood Bowl world, but again, who else would.
Count me in, but only on three conditions:
1. FFG Publishes it
2. It uses the WFRP3e dice/system BUT
3. Without the tokens/cards/fiddly bits (more like Edge of the Empire/AoR)
Quote from: AaronBrown99;784774Count me in, but only on three conditions:
1. FFG Publishes it
2. It uses the WFRP3e dice/system BUT
3. Without the tokens/cards/fiddly bits (more like Edge of the Empire/AoR)
Apage, Satanas!
Quote from: mhensley;784634nope
I am pretty sure its a Chronopia RPG with that comment.
Quote from: AaronBrown99;784774Count me in, but only on three conditions:
1. FFG Publishes it
2. It uses the WFRP3e dice/system BUT
3. Without the tokens/cards/fiddly bits (more like Edge of the Empire/AoR)
You know, if any game would work with custom dice it's this one, but I'd use block dice and base the system around opposed rolls.
Hmm.
Quote from: Skywalker;784782I am pretty sure its a Chronopia RPG with that comment.
I've fond memories of Chronopia, so these would be good news for me.
After almost 8 years playing WFRP 2e regularly (the whole TEW and much more) I think my group has had enough Old World for a long time.
Quote from: Ladybird;784668You're probably right, but it's worth bearing in mind that Fantasy and 40k may be distinct licences (As they are distinct settings), we don't know the full details of their agreements - there are separate videogame licences for the two.
True, though my gut feeling is that the RPG rights just aren't a high enough priority for GW to make it worth their while negotiating two separate licences.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were tacked on as an appendix to the boardgame licence as an afterthought.
Chronopia would be awesome but I'd like Leviathan even more. Geez, Leviathan, I have to use that for a fantasy setting some day.
Quote from: David Johansen;785109Chronopia would be awesome but I'd like Leviathan even more. Geez, Leviathan, I have to use that for a fantasy setting some day.
With Keith Thompson as the only illustrator.
Quote from: David Johansen;785109Chronopia would be awesome (...).
I wonder how a new
Chronopia RPG would relate to/differ from the 5th edition of
Drakar och Demoner (a Swedish BRP-w/d20-system) that was set in the
Chronopia setting.
http://www.chronopiaworld.com/artikel.php?id=6
http://rpggeek.com/rpg/1909/drakar-och-demoner-expert-4th-chronopia-5th-editio
The latest, 8th edition of the game is set in its own world that is steeped in Scandinavian myths and folklore.
http://www.riotminds.se/spelen/drakar-och-demoner/
Two gorgeous, if highly unwieldy, landscape hardcover books.
Quote from: David Johansen;785109Chronopia would be awesome but I'd like Leviathan even more. Geez, Leviathan, I have to use that for a fantasy setting some day.
I always liked the vibe of Leviathan, even more bleak and brutal than Chronopia... the huge monsters and steam golems and elementals. But with only the one book it felt like there should have been more. Was there a bunch of stuff that came out for it but never made it into English?
So, I've been vaguely following the End Times stuff for Warhammer, and... wow. Nagash comes back and is trying to destroy all the gods. The High and Dark Elves are on the verge of reunification, the Dwarves found a genuine ancestor god (And then she got eaten), Archaon is planning a march through the Empire to defeat him, Kislev has been wiped out, Brettonia is in civil war, Settra was defeated by Nagash and then bought back by what may possibly have been the chaos gods, Tilea and Estalia have been overran by Skaven, and the Lizardmen are Up To Something and may have recruited the Wood Elves to help.
So it wouldn't make sense to publish any more setting material for the "old" Warhammer world, even if anyone bought 3e stuff.
Very tempted to go pick this book up, because it sounds like they're doing something really interesting and intend for it to stick.
Quote from: Ladybird;785262Very tempted to go pick this book up, because it sounds like they're doing something really interesting and intend for it to stick.
Yeah, I've no interest in the tabletop wargame these days but I bought the tie-in novel on ebook to see how this pans out. It sounds like they are finally implementing the shaking up of the Old World they wanted to do with Storm of Chaos but didn't have the balls to follow through with (though I understand there that they made the mistake of having the outcome depend on organised play results, so to an extent their hands were tied).
So all in all there probably won't be a Warhammer 4th edition? Better put all my chips on Zweihänder?
Quote from: jan paparazzi;785511So all in all there probably won't be a Warhammer 4th edition? Better put all my chips on Zweihänder?
Oh, there probably will be one eventually. Just not this year; big competition, and an ongoing setting shake-up.
Hopefully, they've cut FFG in on their plans for this.
I am still stunned that 13th Age didn't haul its ass to grab marketshare and mindshare during the downtime between 4e and 5e. Now that ship has sailed.
No official W4e is great news for Zweihander IF the they can RUN MOFO RUN!!! during the downtime between editions.
Quote from: Warthur;785374Yeah, I've no interest in the tabletop wargame these days but I bought the tie-in novel on ebook to see how this pans out.
What's the novel?
Any good?
Quote from: Spinachcat;785530What's the novel?
Any good?
Not read it yet so dunno.
This is the first one to go with the Nagash phase of the End Times stuff (http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer/return-of-nagash-hardback.html), presumably there will be additional ones as they release the different chunks of End Times (Nagash is part 1 and there's supposed to be 4 parts).
Any updates about this?
They announced Mutant: Year Zero on the 10th. Was that it?
Quote from: Jason D;788247They announced Mutant: Year Zero on the 10th. Was that it?
Yep. Cool enough, but not really Warhammery.
According to the hype, another one is coming in the next few days.
Quote from: baragei;788260Yep. Cool enough, but not really Warhammery.
According to the hype, another one is coming in the next few days.
I can't wait to hear it.
Quote from: Jason D;788247They announced Mutant: Year Zero on the 10th. Was that it?
Is that a translation of a foreign game?
Quote from: RPGPundit;788647Is that a translation of a foreign game?
A Swedish one, yes, that supposedly came out in April.
As I understand it, one of the older editions by Target Games got the Mutant Chronicles franchise going.
Yeah, so far as I can tell Mutant: Year Zero is based off the original Mutant setting whereas Mutant Chronicles was originally a variant setting.
Quote from: Warthur;788661Yeah, so far as I can tell Mutant: Year Zero is based off the original Mutant setting whereas Mutant Chronicles was originally a variant setting.
It's based on original Mutant, which I guess you could call a "prequel" of Mutant Chronicles. The chronology'd be Kult, Mutant, Mutant Chronicles, but except for shared pantheon of dark deities, there is not much of a connection.
I hope Modiphus are able to untangle the rights issues surrounding Kult so they can get some new English stuff out for that.
Cool! and yes, let's hope they can.