The RPGPundit Tells ALL about the release of dnd5e and consultantgate and addresses the claims about Mike Mearls having given lists of complainants to him or Zak S.
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I doubt anyone who hates Mearls enough to think he'd actually do this would be someone who would take Pundit's word that it didn't happen.
And the internet drama continues ...
Quote from: hedgehobbit;1117199I doubt anyone who hates Mearls enough to think he'd actually do this would be someone who would take Pundit's word that it didn't happen.
No doubt at all about this.
Consultantgate IMO is a complete non-story. I could care less about what Mearls did or didn't do, although the idea that a suit like Mearls would send out a list of names is entirely ridiculous and everyone who is not an idiot knows that. Z__ who? I recognized the very first time I saw anything by him that he was the scum of the earth and wisely never interacted with him. While I am certain that Mearls did not release any list of names, I would not assume that someone else with access did not leak a list of names. After all, what are the odds that there are zero assholes among the people Mearls works with.
I still don't believe that the people doing all the hand-wringing are the ones actually spending money on D&D in the first place. If it weren't for the fact that it would freak out the typical publicly-held company, I'd almost welcome a boycott just to show how little of the customer base they really are.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1117261I still don't believe that the people doing all the hand-wringing are the ones actually spending money on D&D in the first place. If it weren't for the fact that it would freak out the typical publicly-held company, I'd almost welcome a boycott just to show how little of the customer base they really are.
I could not agree with you more. Yes, I wish the SJWs would announce boycotts and that the publicly held companies had the stones to thumb their noses at the them.
Quote from: jan paparazzi;1117233And the internet drama continues ...
It is what the Internet is for, you know...
Quote from: hedgehobbit;1117199I doubt anyone who hates Mearls enough to think he'd actually do this would be someone who would take Pundit's word that it didn't happen.
Undoubtedly true. But that's not the audience I'm trying to reach. I'm trying to reach people who might be swayed by those bad actors, and help them understand that they're being lied to.
I hate watching videos. What's the short version?
Quote from: Bunch;1117376I hate watching videos. What's the short version?
Short version. SJWs claim that Mearls relesed to Pundit and Zak the identities of the people who were accusing both of harrassment and other mean things. Mearls had been investigating on his own dime apparently and did not find any misconduct.
I particularly like the idea of people who make false and spurious accusations not only having an issue with their identities being revealed to those they falsely accused, but taking the moral high ground while laying additional false and spurious accusations against the people they dragged into their silly vendetta.
Zak's a human being. Most people get dirt on them due to mistakes or association.
Is he molesting kids or stealing or killing people? Haven't seen that. It looks like abusive accusations from his ex. Okay. I've dealt with that in my own life.
Does that discount his work? Not to me. To me he's a very good rpg designer and that's all that matters.
Who are these pristine and perfect people that get to judge everybody on the human mistakes they make? Who's perfect? Nerds sitting at home with no life?
Those people carry zero weight in how I view others, largely because they haven't interacted with the world enough to have made human mistakes.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1117418Does that discount his work? Not to me. To me he's a very good rpg designer and that's all that matters.
I think you can separate art from artist - as long as you know that supporting an artist isn't DIRECTLY contributing to things you don't want to see like child exploitation.
But I don't think Zak is a good game designer. I've participated in threads about his ideas, and even when they're good, they're easily implemented without consultation with him. Zak is like the new Star Wars movies - it's all rule of cool and not at all about consistency, but he'll swear up and down that it is.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1117418Is he molesting kids or stealing or killing people? Haven't seen that. It looks like abusive accusations from his ex. Okay. I've dealt with that in my own life.
Well shit. That's literally the first thing any "decent" divorce attorney tells women. "My husband raped me and abused the children!" Happened to my buddy too.
As for false accusations I think Hammurabi was spot on in that regard.
Quote from: KingCheops;1117461Well shit. That's literally the first thing any "decent" divorce attorney tells women. "My husband raped me and abused the children!" Happened to my buddy too.
As for false accusations I think Hammurabi was spot on in that regard.
Greetings!
Oh, yeah. You know that's right! Women *Lie* all the damned time--especially when they are breaking up with a boyfriend or divorcing their soon-to be-ex husband. All of these evil, horrible men. Embracing a healthy dose of skepticism in such scenarios is always essential.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: VisionStorm;1117415I particularly like the idea of people who make false and spurious accusations not only having an issue with their identities being revealed to those they falsely accused, but taking the moral high ground while laying additional false and spurious accusations against the people they dragged into their silly vendetta.
That is ironic, yes.
Zak turned out to be no different than the #SJWs who despised him. However the speed at which he burned every single bridge in the industry is still a thing of awe.
Zak made some interesting things, but his behavior has pretty much assured he'll likely never see work again in the industry unless he goes the route of self publishing. Dude's not only pissed off the SJW crowd, but normal gamers as well with his antics.
IMO "normal" gamers were never his market.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1117565Zak turned out to be no different than the #SJWs who despised him. However the speed at which he burned every single bridge in the industry is still a thing of awe.
Well, not EVERY bridge. James Raggi, in spite of Zak having turned on him and having publicly humiliated him for when Raggi dared to have his picture taken with Jordan Peterson, has continued to support Zak. I assume he's a masochist.
It stuns me that Zak has been invoked this many times - with a video no less! and hasn't appeared yet! I've never seen an internet thread with a whiff of criticism of Zak he wasn't down to fight it out in... don't tell me all this popcorn has gone to waste? Has he lost his mojo? hehehe c'mon Zak... you can do it!!!!!
Well if he's not banned here it must be just about the only place left he isn't.
Quote from: TJS;1117763Well if he's not banned here it must be just about the only place left he isn't.
He's not banned here; he replied to something here just a few weeks ago.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1117767He's not banned here; he replied to something here just a few weeks ago.
Made himself look like a fool, but yeah...
ZakS, like everyone else, is very welcome to post on theRPGsite anytime. AKA, free speech is welcome on the free speech forum.
I'd love to hear about his next RPG project. I don't believe he's gone cold turkey as an author.
Quote from: ElBorak;1117593IMO "normal" gamers were never his market.
ZakS's Vornheim city supplement is very good and mainstream OSR. While his "D&D with Pornstars" videos were designed to titillate the "normal" gamers (and thus draw in viewers), his early works are well done OSR / DIY supplements. He's an interesting case where Creator and Created Work are quite different. In his books, ZakS comes off very differently than online.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1117658Well, not EVERY bridge. James Raggi, in spite of Zak having turned on him and having publicly humiliated him for when Raggi dared to have his picture taken with Jordan Peterson, has continued to support Zak. I assume he's a masochist.
Maybe Raggi just makes more money with Zak than without him?
Has Charlotte Stokely finally dumped his ass? He find a new mentally ill chick to abuse? I can't keep up with the gaming world's Harvey Weinstein antics.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1117814ZakS, like everyone else, is very welcome to post on theRPGsite anytime. AKA, free speech is welcome on the free speech forum.
I'd love to hear about his next RPG project. I don't believe he's gone cold turkey as an author.
ZakS's Vornheim city supplement is very good and mainstream OSR. While his "D&D with Pornstars" videos were designed to titillate the "normal" gamers (and thus draw in viewers), his early works are well done OSR / DIY supplements. He's an interesting case where Creator and Created Work are quite different. In his books, ZakS comes off very differently than online.
He started a project on Google+ where he was redoing the monsters in the Monster Manual for 5e and I really loved it. But he didn't go far with it. Probably did only about a dozen or fewer pages before it stopped. I wish he had done the whole Monster Manual. It was great stuff, and he was immediately recognizing what it would take WOTC years to figure out - they needed to add a lot more interesting elements to both the fluff and crunch of the standardized monsters (Volo's Guide eventually did some of that).
Quote from: tenbones;1117692It stuns me that Zak has been invoked this many times - with a video no less! and hasn't appeared yet! I've never seen an internet thread with a whiff of criticism of Zak he wasn't down to fight it out in... don't tell me all this popcorn has gone to waste? Has he lost his mojo? hehehe c'mon Zak... you can do it!!!!!
Silence usually follows exploration of litigation...? :confused: I have found his work fruitful at the table, and him to be forthright and genial to me online. :)
:D Though there was a period where it seemed he would appear like a vengeful Hastur whenever his name was whispered on fora. So I get your jest. :D
Quote from: Opaopajr;1118011Silence usually follows exploration of litigation...? :confused: I have found his work fruitful at the table, and him to be forthright and genial to me online. :)
:D Though there was a period where it seemed he would appear like a vengeful Hastur whenever his name was whispered on fora. So I get your jest. :D
Oh yeah - he's been totally cool to me online. But you know... I've had enough dramas in my personal life (and he gets special dispensation living in LA from me - having lived there in circles not far removed from his) - I get it. I'm not going to judge him (as it's not my business). But Zak is the Candyman of gaming forums. And it cracks me up when he pops off.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1117814ZakS, like everyone else, is very welcome to post on theRPGsite anytime. AKA, free speech is welcome on the free speech forum.
I'd love to hear about his next RPG project. I don't believe he's gone cold turkey as an author.
ZakS's Vornheim city supplement is very good and mainstream OSR. While his "D&D with Pornstars" videos were designed to titillate the "normal" gamers (and thus draw in viewers), his early works are well done OSR / DIY supplements. He's an interesting case where Creator and Created Work are quite different. In his books, ZakS comes off very differently than online.
His online persona completely persuaded me to not check out anything he has done. The whole "D&D with Pornstars" I found to be nothing but TMI.
Quote from: ElBorak;1118020His online persona completely persuaded me to not check out anything he has done. The whole "D&D with Pornstars" I found to be nothing but TMI.
His work is actually very good, but yeah I cannot blame you as ZakS does his best at making people hate his guts which naturally leads to people refusing to buy his books. If he was a better person I would guess he would get staunch defenders that Vic has since both are dealing with the "he said she said" bullshit that is the Metoo movement. Both ladies by the way never bothered to contacted the police who would investigate the charges by the way.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1118037His work is actually very good, but yeah I cannot blame you as ZakS does his best at making people hate his guts which naturally leads to people refusing to buy his books. If he was a better person I would guess he would get staunch defenders that Vic has since both are dealing with the "he said she said" bullshit that is the Metoo movement. Both ladies by the way never bothered to contacted the police who would investigate the charges by the way.
That's not exactly uncommon considering what the internet does to them afterwards.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1117834Maybe Raggi just makes more money with Zak than without him?
I wouldn't be surprised.