QuoteTraveller 5 News Jan 31, 2008
I want to thank every one of you for your support as we bring the T5 CD ROM to publication. Your confidence in this project is extremely gratifying. Thank you.
Of course, T5 is facing some delays. Every fix and edit we make seems to ripple through the entire text. Even at this late stage, new ideas seem to generate themselves. We're now looking at March 1 (and thank goodness for that extra day in February this year!).
*** If this delay is unacceptable, tell me and I can refund your payment.
*** If your order included something else and you didn't get it (you should have), tell me and we'll check out what went wrong.
Thanks,
Marc
What?
:haw:
I got my pack of bonus stuff today. Let's just say I'm not shocked by the delay. I'll probably die of a heart attack on the day the CD turns up in my mail box.
Honestly, I never expected it to be on time.
This really can be considered "on track" for T5. It's sad when a small delay is almost good news. :p
However, you should be able to graduate from university, get married (again?), have children, and pay off your mortgage, all before T5 makes it to a final print copy. :)
The idea that T5 ever had a track is itself suspect.
On the other hand, my goal of having Galaxies in Shadow done before T5 comes out is looking realistic again. I'm even working on it. :)
"A Traveller edition is never late..."
Quote from: Settembrini"A Traveller edition is never late..."
Although, if Mongoose wants to stall for a few months to re-tool, I certainly wouldn't hold it against them.
!i!
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaAlthough, if Mongoose wants to stall for a few months to re-tool, I certainly wouldn't hold it against them.
!i!
I believe releasing a beta version for sale is part of the Mongoose business strategy, is it not? ;)
Wow, they shoulkd re-do the whole thing. Everything that´s not CT-derivative in the Playtest Documents basically is an Epic Fail.
BTW: Proof positive that the Brits rock:
http://www.bitsuk.net/Travelling/page33/page33.html
A whole weekend of Traveller, man. There's only one con to rival that one, and that's the Lake Geneva event with E.Gary et al. which the Troll Lords are organizing.
I know, I know. Would´nt it be for same idiotic "science conference", I´d be there.
Next year, I´ll be there, no matter what comes (wars excluded)!
Message posted by Hunter on CotI today:
QuoteTalked to Marc about T5 today and sorry folks, looks like it's not going to be finished for the 1st of April. Marc is taking the comments of the fans and his playtesters to heart and trying to make the book as complete and stable as possible before releasing it. The book is farther along than it has ever been.
Marc usually tries to send out a monthly email update on the progress, but he's swamped right now trying to get it out and deal with some other stuff so there might not be an email this month.
Bottom line is the expected release date has been pushed back to the end of April. If anyone has preordered and wishes a refund, all you've got to do is drop Marc an email and let him know.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showpost.php?p=254169&postcount=24
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And here I was worried that I wouldn't finish Galaxies in Shadow before T5 came out. Sliding deadlines...I may just have to pick a fixed point at this rate.
Oh BTW... There will be a print version for 2320 AD, and that's supposed to hit Lulu in mid-April. This is very recent news (a few days ago), so it may even be true.
I once knew a gent who argued that pre-ordering was fiscally idiotic, because you could invest that same sum of money in even a relatively low yield savings account and wind up having that much, and more, by the time a game actually was released. (He also pointed out that game stores like Gamestop in fact, did exactly that with the preorder money recieved, and that it was a large portion of their income, basically making interest off customers' money.)
I can't think of any RPG product where this is more true, than with T5.
I´d send money to Marc for anything, or even nothing. He asks, I pay. Pretty easy relationship, thusly I cannot feel let down by him.
Everything he does is good, and if he does nothing, that´s also awesome.
Quote from: J ArcaneI once knew a gent who argued that pre-ordering was fiscally idiotic, because you could invest that same sum of money in even a relatively low yield savings account and wind up having that much, and more, by the time a game actually was released. (He also pointed out that game stores like Gamestop in fact, did exactly that with the preorder money recieved, and that it was a large portion of their income, basically making interest off customers' money.)
I can't think of any RPG product where this is more true, than with T5.
I think pre-ordering is dumb for different reasons:
1. You could use that money to get something else now that you want (gaming-related or not).
2. You actually know you aren't just throwing your money away on a product that might never be released but you can't seem to get a refund for (like, say, Septimus).
I will say that Palladium's model of pre-order is better than most - despite their tendency for massive delays, they don't actually charge your credit card until the item actually ships. So the only problem then is that you have to remember you pre-ordered something.
I used to think that pre-ordering was also a watse of money until I learned that when you pre-order with Amazon.com, they don't take your payment until the book or DVD is released or shipped.
Look - I'll believe it when the book shows up at the store and I can either purchase it myself or put a copy on our RPG shelves.
I've already let our upper management know that I'm interested in getting a few copies for the store to sell - one for me, and a few more for customers who have asked about it or might be intrerested in it if we have it on the shelves.
- Ed C.
In this particular case I'm looking at it more like paying Marc to work on T5 and showing good faith that he'll be compensated for his efforts. If he believed it would fly he wouldn't have whored it out to Mongoose.
Quote from: jeff37923I used to think that pre-ordering was also a watse of money until I learned that when you pre-order with Amazon.com, they don't take your payment until the book or DVD is released or shipped.
Man, sakes alive, we used to have the most terrible time explaining that to people, especially when we'd have to prompt them to register a credit or debit card in advance to make sure that the order would be processed without delay when the book was released.
But, yeah, pre-orders with Amazon.com does not mean pre-payment. More than anything, it's a method for Amazon to gauge how much stock to order from their suppliers and how to source it most efficiently.
!i!
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaBut, yeah, pre-orders with Amazon.com does not mean pre-payment. More than anything, it's a method for Amazon to gauge how much stock to order from their suppliers and how to source it most efficiently.
Which is why some places (including Amazon) offer additional pre-order discounts to encourage early orders. At that point, it can make more sense to pre-order.
I could look this up myself, but I'm lazy and shiftless today...
What's the difference between Mongoose's Traveller and Marc's T5? IIRC MongTrav is the new core rulebook and T5 will be a setting book.
Quote from: PeteI could look this up myself, but I'm lazy and shiftless today...
What's the difference between Mongoose's Traveller and Marc's T5? IIRC MongTrav is the new core rulebook and T5 will be a setting book.
Not quite - they are two different but connected games. So far as I can tell, T5 is a) massive - over 1000 pages of text - and b) very complex. Mongoose Traveller is being designed to be compatible with T5.