I don't know the exact details/methodology of the scoring/tabulation, but the "OD&D/S&W" and "D&D3.x/Pathfinder" method of voting is the worst kind of cheating/stacking the the deck/Forge-styled viral marketing all wrapped up in one/several bullet point/s.

Take a stand and pick a game/ruleset.

Quote from: Pete;371536I don't know the exact details/methodology of the scoring/tabulation, but the "OD&D/S&W" and "D&D3.x/Pathfinder" method of voting is the worst kind of cheating/stacking the the deck/Forge-styled viral marketing all wrapped up in one/several bullet point/s.

Take a stand and pick a game/ruleset.

I kind of thought they did. I just counted it as two votes. If 0D&D/S&W was the first choice, each game received 10 points...

People are talking about (and giving a plug for), their favorite games. Early on, they might have played 0D&D, and now play S&W, but that is their favorite incarnation of the game.

So it was voted. So it was counted.

Still haven't counted the last three or four entries, but will do that on Saturday sometime, and will breakout the BX D&D from the 0D&D, as well as tallying total counts for each game regardless of edition.

You'll see the D&D CoC, and AD&D easily carries the most points, but Warhammer, and the other games with multiple editions will move up the popularity chain a bit further, and GURPS and a few other games will also move up firmly into the top 20 list.

Quote from: Pete;371536I don't know the exact details/methodology of the scoring/tabulation, but the "OD&D/S&W" and "D&D3.x/Pathfinder" method of voting is the worst kind of cheating/stacking the the deck/Forge-styled viral marketing all wrapped up in one/several bullet point/s.

Take a stand and pick a game/ruleset.

Oh waaah.  Sure, and let's count every of the 6 (7?) versions of Call of Cthulhu separately too.  And don't forget to break out separate printings of the games too, since they sometimes fix errata and stuff and even change cover art which as we all know is dreadfully important - D&D 2e thus has two versions based on printing.  Feng Shui had two versions, the Daedalus and Atlas ones (in fact, it had a color and B&W Daedalus versions, so that's 3 different games total!)

Oh wait, that's retarded, because they're basically the same game.

That's what these "forgey" (you forgot to add "socialist" in your random insult list) votes are trying to get across - there are many games that are the same game to within a standard deviation.  In some cases that's edition to edition (CoC, Feng Shui), in some cases it's most editions with specific exceptions (Paranoia, Runequest), and sometimes it's subsequent remakes (PF/3.5, OD&D/S&W), etc.  

Since we're imputing motives to people (cheating, etc.) - I'm sure you know this, it's just that you figure whatever your beloved game is will rate higher if other games are fragmented down into smaller buckets.  Nice try.

Quote from: mxyzplk;371613Oh waaah.  Sure, and let's count every of the 6 (7?) versions of Call of Cthulhu separately too.  And don't forget to break out separate printings of the games too, since they sometimes fix errata and stuff and even change cover art which as we all know is dreadfully important - D&D 2e thus has two versions based on printing.  Feng Shui had two versions, the Daedalus and Atlas ones (in fact, it had a color and B&W Daedalus versions, so that's 3 different games total!)

Oh wait, that's retarded, because they're basically the same game.

That's what these "forgey" (you forgot to add "socialist" in your random insult list) votes are trying to get across - there are many games that are the same game to within a standard deviation.  In some cases that's edition to edition (CoC, Feng Shui), in some cases it's most editions with specific exceptions (Paranoia, Runequest), and sometimes it's subsequent remakes (PF/3.5, OD&D/S&W), etc.  

Since we're imputing motives to people (cheating, etc.) - I'm sure you know this, it's just that you figure whatever your beloved game is will rate higher if other games are fragmented down into smaller buckets.  Nice try.

The differences between Pathfinder and D&D3.5 are by an order of magnitude when compared to the differences between CoC 3 and CoC 6. PF and 3.5 are separate, if compatible, games; if they aren't then you should may as well have just voted d20 as your favorite game. Doubling up your votes is Forgey in the sense that it's viral marketing and advertising; it's not as subtle as the Forge tried to be, but its there. It seems like its never enough to simply to say you like Pathfinder on its own merits, but you have to make sure you have to associate it with the lineage it comes from.

Considering that I rated D&D4 as my top game, I have no doubt that even if people were to list games on their merits and not on their lineage and associations, 4e will still probably be the most hated and considered the worst game on this board. So no, I have no motive here except what anyone else's motive is here: to state an opinion in strong language....

Pathfinder and 3.5 - Hmm, I'd say those deserve to be different games.

AD&D/OSRIC
OD&D/S&W
BD&D/Labyrinth Lord

are pretty much the same games.  I mean there's a reason they call them retroCLONES.  You need to make those three categories though, not double up Original and Basic for example.

Quote from: mxyzplk;371613Oh wait, that's retarded, because they're basically the same game.

Basically. That's where IMO some license should be required, with an actual knowledge of the games in question. OD&D and S&W are basically the same game, no matter how you cut it. OD&D and AD&D are not. AD&D and 3rd Ed are not the same game. 3rd ed and 4E are not the same game.

AD&D and AD&D2 could be a point of contention, but for most people I know, these aren't the same games either (to me, they are not the same games).

Pathfinder and 3.5 are IMO the same game.

Moldvay/Cook, Mentzer and Rules Cyclopedia D&D could be assumed to be very close from each other, and thus the same game. Alternately, Holmes could be counted as part of AD&D, or in the same vein as the Moldvay/Mentzer/RC branch, depending on the point of view.

All versions of CoC Chaosium are more or less the same, but for a few fixes here and there. As for CoC Chaosium and CoC d20, say, these are two different games. And so on, so forth.

Let's not be retarded, here. If you don't know the games we're talking about, that's fine. But accusing people of viral marketing and such, *this* is definitely retarded.

It's cool. Never mind.

1. OD&D/Swords & Wizardry
2. AD&D 1e/OSRIC
3. Amber
4. Pendragon
5. 3:16 - Carnage Amongst the Stars
6. Shadow of Yesterday
7. TMNT&OS
8. Spirit of the Century
9. Chronica Feudalis
10. Risus
11. Barbarians of Lemuria

Quote from: mxyzplk;371613Oh waaah.  Sure, and let's count every of the 6 (7?) versions of Call of Cthulhu separately too.  And don't forget to break out separate printings of the games too, since they sometimes fix errata and stuff and even change cover art which as we all know is dreadfully important - D&D 2e thus has two versions based on printing.  Feng Shui had two versions, the Daedalus and Atlas ones (in fact, it had a color and B&W Daedalus versions, so that's 3 different games total!)

Oh wait, that's retarded, because they're basically the same game.

This kind of underlines the trouble I had compiling the votes in the Bottom 10 games thread.

Part of the trouble is that, no matter how experienced a gamer you are, there's no way you're going to know the full details of which editions of which games were mere tweaks and which were major rehauls (like WFRP 3E) or serious fuckups (like Paranoia 5th... and WFRP 3E). So it's not exactly easy to make the call when you're dealing with games you don't know very well.

But your post was the fucking bomb. You ought to do the vote-counting for the polls from now on.

I agree that it's sometimes a tough call whether to treat separate editions as separate games or the same game. The borderline is probably somewhere around seeing Stormbringer 1e-3e as the same game vs. seeing Chaosium RQ 2e and AH RQ 3e as different games.

Rpggeek (http://rpg.geekdo.com) has made a pretty good attempt at judging these sorts of cases, though, so they could be used as a guide now and/or in the future. Conceptually they have "families" of games, and then "RPGs". They also sometimes have a category of "system". So e.g. Chaosium's Stormbringer games are a "family" that uses the "BRP System" (as do some other  families and/or RPGs such as CoC), but the actual "RPGs" within the SB family are broken down into SB 1e-3e, SB 4e, Elric!, and SB 5e.

IMO this is slightly erroneous, as Elric and SB 5e are really the same, and I just submitted a correction to reflect this. Nevertheless the mappings over there are the first attempt I've seen to regularize the categorization of editions as minor edits vs. wholesale revisions.

Quote from: Warthur;371653This kind of underlines the trouble I had compiling the votes in the Bottom 10 games thread.

Part of the trouble is that, no matter how experienced a gamer you are, there's no way you're going to know the full details of which editions of which games were mere tweaks and which were major rehauls (like WFRP 3E) or serious fuckups (like Paranoia 5th... and WFRP 3E). So it's not exactly easy to make the call when you're dealing with games you don't know very well.

But your post was the fucking bomb. You ought to do the vote-counting for the polls from now on.

Heh, thanks, but if I did I might make people cry.  And no one wants that.

Yeah, it is a difficult problem.   In general we're willing to be more picky the more familiar we are, and since most of us are familiar with D&D, we all "know they're all different."  But some amount of genericity is important.  When we talk about our favorite "game" as opposed to a more picky "what single gaming *product*", we have to find a level of generalization that makes sense to both aficionados and non-aficionados.  

I think the simple way is just for everyone to step back and try to let the prima donna-ness slip away, and say "really, are these 90% or more the exact same?"  D&D 3.0 and 3.5 are 95% the exact same game.  D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder, same deal.  Of course people don't put out a new version (clones excepted) unless they say it's all better and changed sufficiently for you to toss out $50 for it (except for CoC, which just puts out new versions for kicks, apparently).  But in many cases, to an untutored outsider, they're pretty much the same.  Sure, one may be slightly better, but it's under the same rubric.  It's like "which of the 20 Lord of the Rings boxed sets should I get" - there's differences but to an outsider it's "Lord of the Rings."  (Or even better, anime series, where you can fret over sub vs dub and stuff like that.  You are still a big femme for watching Sailor Moon, even if it's in Japanese and sailors Uranus and Vajayjay are lovers.)

So most games are just "the game," with the occasional example of someone who drastically changed direction with a version.  I think that the aficionados voting usually identify these for you, though.  "I love Paranoia except for that 5th edition crap!"  

D&D is a special case in that most of the time it drastically changes with every major version.  I mean, it's still about orc genocide each time, but a 2e character and a 3e character aren't much more similar to each other than to a character from any of the 30 other games out there that basically use STR/DEX/CON/etc.  And the core mechanics change each time (tables vs thac0 vs bab vs monopoly).  Though really at some level the answer really might should be "D&D" or "other," as to someone who hasn't played D&D it's all rolling d20s and hooting like monkeys regardless of version.  (Or maybe two options - "I always play the current version of D&D because I lack critical thinking skills" and "I play an older version of D&D because I am a curmudgeon who is trying to recapture my lost youth  instead of meeting girls."  Discuss!)

Of course it also comes down to how much you value the rules vs the setting.  Are all BRP games the same (exact same rules) or are they all different (different usually-licensed properties?)   In other words, my favorite game system or my favorite "line"?  

I mean, I do sympathize with Pete, in that for myself as well there are games I find more interchangeable and games that, though technically very similar, were somehow a dealbreaker to me.  Like Spycraft 1.0 to 2.0 - I don't really want to claim they are different games, but personally I loved the heck out of 1.0 and didn't like 2.0.  But I can step back and say "you know, from a high level POV, let's just say I like Spycraft and be done with it."  Because liking games is like anything else.  If we did a list of "women you love," I reckon I'd put on it both "Michelle from ninth grade" and "every tattooed girl with daddy issues who needs me to turn her crank."  Some are very specific things and others are interchangeable sets.

Voting is closed. Counts:


Game - Points Votes
1. AD&D (Any including 1/2/3/4/Osric)   377   58
2. Traveller (Any)   211   34
3. D&D (Any Including OD&D/BX/SW/RC/LL)   194   25
4. Call of Cthulu   173   24
5. AD&D 3rd Ed (includes 3.x/d20)   134   21
6. AD&D 1st ed   116   18
7. Traveller Classic   116   18
8. Star Wars (Any)   93   16
9. Warhammer (any)   91   17
10. GURPS (Any)   88   15
11. D&D BX   87   12
12. Savage Worlds   84   14
13. D&D Rules Cyclopedia   83   9
14. Runequest (Any includes Mongoose/AH)   83   13
15. 0D&D   80   9
16. Rolemaster (Any- includes MERP/SM)   80   13
17. Pendragon   78   13
18. Swords & Wizardry   76   9
19. Castles & Crusades   71   10
20. Marvel Superheroes (Any)   71   11
Traveller (Mongoose)   66   12
Stormbringer   62   10
Pathfinder   58   8
Star Wars d6 (Weg)   58   10
AD&D 4th Ed   51   7
BRP (Basic Roleplaying)   50   7
Gamma World (Any)   50   10
Marvel Superheroes (FASERIP)   48   7
AD&D 2nd Ed   46   11
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2e   45   8
Vampire: (any)   43   7
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 1e   40   8
Runequest II   37   6
Shadowrun (Any)   36   5
Feng Shui   35   4
Tunnels & Trolls (any)   35   5
Dragon Warriors   34   5
Gurps 3e   34   6
Star Wars Saga Edition   34   5
Gurps 4e   33   4
Mutants & Masterminds (Any)   33   6
World of Darkness (any)   33   6
Amber   32   6
Iron Heroes   32   4
Labyrinth Lord   32   5
Spirit of the Century   32   5
Vampire: The Masquerade   32   5
Castle Falkenstein   31   6
Shadowrun     30   4
The Burning Wheel   30   6
Runequest III   29   4
d6 (Any)   28   4
Cyberpunk 2020   26   5
Unknown Armies   26   7
Earthdawn   24   3
Hunter: (Any)   24   3
World of Darkness (New)   24   4
Osric   23   3
Dragon Age   22   5
Legend of the 5 Rings   22   3
Spycraft (Any)   22   3
Rolemaster Standard System   21   3
Tunnels & Trolls     21   3
All Flesh Must be Eaten   20   3
MERP    20   4
Mutants & Masterminds   20   3
Rolemaster     20   3
Spycraft 2.0   20   2
Barbarians of Lemuria   19   3
d6 System (WEG)   19   3
Diaspora   19   3
Elric/Stormbringer/BRP   19   3
Fading Suns   19   3
Gamma World  1 ed   19   3
Hackmaster (Any)   19   3
Mekton 2   19   3
Primetime Adventures   19   4
Traveller (MegaTraveller)   19   2
Dark Heresy   18   4
Dogs in the Vineyard   18   4
Dragonlance Saga    18   3
Marvel Superheroes (SAGA)   18   3
Paranoia   18   6
The Fantasy Trip   18   2
TMNT & Other Strangeness   18   3
Rifts (Palladium)   17   4
SPI Dragonquest   17   3
Angel/Buffy The Vampire Slayer   16   3
Gamma World   16   4
Hunter: The Reckoning   16   2
Star Trek (Any)   16   2
Talislanta   16   4
In Nomine (Any)   15   4
Over The Edge   15   3
Shadows of Yesterday/Solar System   15   2
Space: 1889   15   2
True20   15   2
In Nomine     14   3
Qin: Warring States   14   2
Rogue Trader   14   3
Starblazer Adventures   14   2
Gamma World 4 ed   13   2
Hawkmoon   13   2
Mutants & Masterminds 2ed   13   3
Risus   13   4
Toon   13   2
Alternity   12   3
Dark Conspiracy   12   3
Heroquest   12   2
Kult   12   3
Metamorphosis Alpha (Any)   12   2
Palladium Fantasy RPG 1st ed   12   2
Cartoon Action Hour   11   2
Dangerous Journeys: Mythus   11   2
DC Heroes (Mayfair)   11   2
Hackmaster Basic   11   2
Hollow Earth Expedition   11   2
Vampire: The Requiem   11   2
2300AD   10   4
Aces & Eights   10   2
Arduin   10   1
Blood of Heroes   10   2
Champions   10   2
Doctor Who: Adventure in Space and Time   10   2
EABA   10   1
Fudge   10   1
Galaxies in Shadow   10   1
James Bond 007   10   2
RoleMaster II (Chaosium)   10   2
Trail of Cthulu   10   1
Traveller 4e   10   2
In Harm's Way (Any)   10   2
3:16 Carnage Amongst the Stars   9   4
Conan TSR/ZeFRS   9   1
D&D BECMI   9   2
D6 Legends (Variety)   9   1
Encounter Critical   9   1
Mechwarrior   9   1
Mercenaries, Spies and Private Eyes   9   1
Runequest   9   1
Spacemaster Privateers   9   1
Star Trek (FASA)   9   1
Tunnels & Trolls 5th ed   9   1
Ultramodern Rules Kernal   9   1
World of Darkness (Old)   9   2
7th Sea   8   1
Bare Bones   8   1
Coyote Trail   8   2
D&D BX Mentzer   8   1
dK   8   1
Don't Rest Your Head   8   1
Everstone   8   1
Fantasy Craft   8   2
Golden Heroes   8   1
Hackmaster 4e   8   1
Hunter: The Vigil   8   1
In Harm's Way   8   1
Legends of Steel   8   1
Lord of the Rings (Any)   8   2
Mekton Zeta   8   2
Mongoose Rune Quest II   8   2
Mutant Future   8   1
Orpheus   8   1
Reign   8   3
Scion   8   1
The Grey Ranks   8   1
AD&D Mixed (with Rules Cyclopedia)   7   1
Among the Beautiful Creatures   7   1
Ars Magica   7   1
Atomic Highway   7   2
Cold Space   7   2
D&D BX Moldvay   7   1
Deadlands Classic   7   1
Dungeon Slayers   7   1
Golden Worlds   7   1
Gumshoe   7   1
GURPS: Traveller   7   1
Star Frontiers   7   2
Star Trek: TNG /DS9 (Unicorn Games)   7   1
Stone Horizons   7   1
Trinity   7   2
Werewolf (any)   7   2
X-plorers   7   1
Eclipse Phase   6   1
Empire in Arms   6   1
Geist   6   1
Ghostbusters   6   1
HARP   6   1
Kagematsu   6   1
Lord of the Rings Adventure Game   6   1
Mage: The Awakening   6   1
Mechanoid Invasion Book 3   6   1
Metamorphosis Alpha   6   1
Metamorphosis Alpha 4ed   6   1
Microlite20   6   2
RingWorld   6   1
School Glue   6   1
Shadowrun 2e   6   1
Sorcerer   6   2
Top Secret   6   1
GURPS: Transhuman Space    6   1
Two-Fisted Tales   6   1
Warhammer FRP   6   1
Beat To Quarters   5   1
Bushido   5   1
Dread (the Horror w/ Jenga)   5   1
Dungeoneer - Advanced Fighting Fantasy   5   1
Duty & Honor   5   1
Gurps   5   2
Harnmaster   5   1
Malestrom? (or Maelstrom)   5   1
Marvel Superheroes (Advanced)   5   1
Microlite (Iron Heartbreakers)   5   1
Mongoose Conan   5   1
Obscure Lands   5   1
octaNe   5   1
Shard   5   1
Stargate d20   5   1
The Whispering Vault   5   1
Torg   5   1
Tunnels & Trolls 7.5   5   1
Vice Squad: Miami Nights   5   1
A Dirty World   4   1
Aquelarre   4   1
Arcana Unearthed   4   1
Daredevil   4   1
Epic Role Playing   4   1
Fighting Fantasy/ Advanced FF   4   1
Gangbusters   4   1
Hercules & Zena   4   1
Hero System   4   1
Lords of Creation   4   1
Monsters & Other Childish Things   4   1
Sovereign Stone    4   1
Victoriana   4   1
Wasteworld   4   1
Werewolf    4   1
A|State   3   1
Adventure!   3   1
Basic Fantasy RPG   3   1
Car Wars   3   1
Danger Patrol  (beta)   3   1
FTL Now   3   1
Gurps: Alpha Centauri   3   1
In a Wicked Age   3   1
Metal, Magic & Lore   3   1
Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game   3   1
Sundered Skies (Savage World)   3   1
Twilight: 2000   3   1
Werewolf: The Apocalypse   3   1
Wild West Cinema   3   1
Chronica Feudalis   3   1
Big Eyes Small Mouth   2   1
Boot Hill   2   1
Chronicles of Ramlar   2   1
Cyberpunk (original)   2   1
Dungeon Squad   2   1
Empire of the Petal Throne   2   1
Exalted 1st ed   2   1
Gamma World 2 ed   2   1
Ganakagok   2   1
Genrediversion (for various settings)   2   1
In Harm's Way: Wild Blue   2   1
Lord of the Rings (Decipher)   2   1
Mutant Chronicles   2   1
On Her Majesties Secret Service   2   1
Ptolus   2   1
Serenity (Cortex System)   2   1
Spycraft 1.0   2   1
Starsiege   2   1
The Arcanum/Alantean Trilogy   2   1
The Shadow of Yesterday   2   1
Aftermath! (without DAT)   1   1
Artesia   1   1
Cybergeneration   1   1
Dead Meat   1   1
Desolation   1   1
Fuzion   1   1
High Fantasy (Dillow)   1   1
Hong Kong Action Theatre!   1   1
In Nomine Satanis   1   1
InSpectres   1   1
Little Fears   1   1
Magna Veritas   1   1
Noumenon   1   1
OHMAS   1   1
Song of Fire and Ice   1   1
Star Wars d20   1   1
Teenagers from Outer Space   1   1
Terra Primate   1   1
The Riddle of Steel   1   1
Tribe 8   1   1
Whatever I think I'll Run   1   1

D&D is still the 300lb Gorilla... Listing order is by number of votes/mentions... Look! AD&D 2e showed up in the top 20!

GAME - POINTS - VOTES
1. AD&D (Any including Osric)   377   58
2. Traveller (Any)   211   34
3. D&D (Any Including BX/RC/LL)   194   25
4. Call of Cthulu   173   24
5. AD&D 3rd Ed (includes 3.x/d20)   134   21
6. AD&D 1st ed   116   18
7. Traveller Classic   116   18
8. Warhammer (any)   91   17
9. Star Wars (Any)   93   16
10. GURPS (Any)   88   15
11. Savage Worlds   84   14
12. Runequest (Any includes Mongoose/AH)   83   13
13. Rolemaster (Any- includes MERP/SM)   80   13
14. Pendragon   78   13
15. D&D BX   87   12
16. Traveller (Mongoose)   66   12
17. Marvel Superheroes (Any)   71   11
18. AD&D 2nd Ed   46   11
19. Castles & Crusades   71   10
20. Stormbringer   62   10
Star Wars d6 (Weg)   58   10
Gamma World (Any)   50   10
D&D Rules Cyclopedia   83   9
0D&D   80   9
Swords & Wizardry   76   9
Pathfinder   58   8
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2e   45   8
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 1e   40   8
AD&D 4th Ed   51   7
BRP (Basic Roleplaying)   50   7
Marvel Superheroes (FASERIP)   48   7
Vampire: (any)   43   7
Unknown Armies   26   7
Runequest II   37   6
Gurps 3e   34   6
Mutants & Masterminds (Any)   33   6
World of Darkness (any)   33   6
Amber   32   6
Castle Falkenstein   31   6
The Burning Wheel   30   6
Paranoia   18   6
Shadowrun (Any)   36   5
Tunnels & Trolls (any)   35   5
Dragon Warriors   34   5
Star Wars Saga Edition   34   5
Labyrinth Lord   32   5
Spirit of the Century   32   5
Vampire: The Masquerade   32   5
Cyberpunk 2020   26   5
Dragon Age   22   5
Feng Shui   35   4
Gurps 4e   33   4
Iron Heroes   32   4
Shadowrun     30   4
Runequest III   29   4
d6 (Any)   28   4
World of Darkness (New)   24   4
MERP    20   4
Primetime Adventures   19   4
Dark Heresy   18   4
Dogs in the Vineyard   18   4
Rifts (Palladium)   17   4
Gamma World   16   4
Talislanta   16   4
In Nomine (Any)   15   4
Risus   13   4
2300AD   10   4
3:16 Carnage Amongst the Stars   9   4
Earthdawn   24   3
Hunter: (Any)   24   3
Osric   23   3
Legend of the 5 Rings   22   3
Spycraft (Any)   22   3
Rolemaster Standard System   21   3
Tunnels & Trolls     21   3
All Flesh Must be Eaten   20   3
Mutants & Masterminds   20   3
Rolemaster     20   3
Barbarians of Lemuria   19   3
d6 System (WEG)   19   3
Diaspora   19   3
Elric/Stormbringer/BRP   19   3
Fading Suns   19   3
Gamma World  1 ed   19   3
Hackmaster (Any)   19   3
Mekton 2   19   3
Dragonlance Saga    18   3
Marvel Superheroes (SAGA)   18   3
TMNT & Other Strangeness   18   3
SPI Dragonquest   17   3
Angel/Buffy The Vampire Slayer   16   3
Over The Edge   15   3
In Nomine     14   3
Rogue Trader   14   3
Mutants & Masterminds 2ed   13   3
Alternity   12   3
Dark Conspiracy   12   3
Kult   12   3
Reign   8   3
Spycraft 2.0   20   2
Traveller (MegaTraveller)   19   2
The Fantasy Trip   18   2
Hunter: The Reckoning   16   2
Star Trek (Any)   16   2
Shadows of Yesterday/Solar System   15   2
Space: 1889   15   2
True20   15   2
Qin: Warring States   14   2
Starblazer Adventures   14   2
Gamma World 4 ed   13   2
Hawkmoon   13   2
Toon   13   2
Heroquest   12   2
Metamorphosis Alpha (Any)   12   2
Palladium Fantasy RPG 1st ed   12   2
Cartoon Action Hour   11   2
Dangerous Journeys: Mythus   11   2
DC Heroes (Mayfair)   11   2
Hackmaster Basic   11   2
Hollow Earth Expedition   11   2
Vampire: The Requiem   11   2
Aces & Eights   10   2
Blood of Heroes   10   2
Champions   10   2
Doctor Who: Adventure in Space and Time   10   2
James Bond 007   10   2
RoleMaster II (Chaosium)   10   2
Traveller 4e   10   2
In Harm's Way (Any)   10   2
D&D BECMI   9   2
World of Darkness (Old)   9   2
Coyote Trail   8   2
Fantasy Craft   8   2
Lord of the Rings (Any)   8   2
Mekton Zeta   8   2
Mongoose Rune Quest II   8   2
Atomic Highway   7   2
Cold Space   7   2
Star Frontiers   7   2
Trinity   7   2
Werewolf (any)   7   2
Microlite20   6   2
Sorcerer   6   2
Gurps   5   2
Wushu (Spike's Pundit Spcl ed)   55   1
Arduin   10   1
EABA   10   1
Fudge   10   1
Galaxies in Shadow   10   1
Trail of Cthulu   10   1
Conan TSR/ZeFRS   9   1
D6 Legends (Variety)   9   1
Encounter Critical   9   1
Mechwarrior   9   1
Mercenaries, Spies and Private Eyes   9   1
Runequest   9   1
Spacemaster Privateers   9   1
Star Trek (FASA)   9   1
Tunnels & Trolls 5th ed   9   1
Ultramodern Rules Kernal   9   1
7th Sea   8   1
Bare Bones   8   1
D&D BX Mentzer   8   1
dK   8   1
Don't Rest Your Head   8   1
Everstone   8   1
Golden Heroes   8   1
Hackmaster 4e   8   1
Hunter: The Vigil   8   1
In Harm's Way   8   1
Legends of Steel   8   1
Mutant Future   8   1
Orpheus   8   1
Scion   8   1
The Grey Ranks   8   1
AD&D Mixed (with Rules Cyclopedia)   7   1
Among the Beautiful Creatures   7   1
Ars Magica   7   1
D&D BX Moldvay   7   1
Deadlands Classic   7   1
Dungeon Slayers   7   1
Golden Worlds   7   1
Gumshoe   7   1
GURPS: Traveller   7   1
Star Trek: TNG /DS9 (Unicorn Games)   7   1
Stone Horizons   7   1
X-plorers   7   1
Eclipse Phase   6   1
Empire in Arms   6   1
Geist   6   1
Ghostbusters   6   1
HARP   6   1
Kagematsu   6   1
Lord of the Rings Adventure Game   6   1
Mage: The Awakening   6   1
Mechanoid Invasion Book 3   6   1
Metamorphosis Alpha   6   1
Metamorphosis Alpha 4ed   6   1
RingWorld   6   1
School Glue   6   1
Shadowrun 2e   6   1
Top Secret   6   1
GURPS: Transhuman Space    6   1
Two-Fisted Tales   6   1
Warhammer FRP   6   1
Beat To Quarters   5   1
Bushido   5   1
Dread (the Horror w/ Jenga)   5   1
Dungeoneer - Advanced Fighting Fantasy   5   1
Duty & Honor   5   1
Harnmaster   5   1
Malestrom? (or Maelstrom)   5   1
Marvel Superheroes (Advanced)   5   1
Microlite (Iron Heartbreakers)   5   1
Mongoose Conan   5   1
Obscure Lands   5   1
octaNe   5   1
Shard   5   1
Stargate d20   5   1
The Whispering Vault   5   1
Torg   5   1
Tunnels & Trolls 7.5   5   1
Vice Squad: Miami Nights   5   1
A Dirty World   4   1
Aquelarre   4   1
Arcana Unearthed   4   1
Daredevil   4   1
Epic Role Playing   4   1
Fighting Fantasy/ Advanced FF   4   1
Gangbusters   4   1
Hercules & Zena   4   1
Hero System   4   1
Lords of Creation   4   1
Monsters & Other Childish Things   4   1
Sovereign Stone    4   1
Victoriana   4   1
Wasteworld   4   1
Werewolf    4   1
A|State   3   1
Adventure!   3   1
Basic Fantasy RPG   3   1
Car Wars   3   1
Danger Patrol  (beta)   3   1
FTL Now   3   1
Gurps: Alpha Centauri   3   1
In a Wicked Age   3   1
Metal, Magic & Lore   3   1
Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game   3   1
Sundered Skies (Savage World)   3   1
Twilight: 2000   3   1
Werewolf: The Apocalypse   3   1
Wild West Cinema   3   1
Chronica Feudalis   3   1
Big Eyes Small Mouth   2   1
Boot Hill   2   1
Chronicles of Ramlar   2   1
Cyberpunk (original)   2   1
Dungeon Squad   2   1
Empire of the Petal Throne   2   1
Exalted 1st ed   2   1
Gamma World 2 ed   2   1
Ganakagok   2   1
Genrediversion (for various settings)   2   1
In Harm's Way: Wild Blue   2   1
Lord of the Rings (Decipher)   2   1
Mutant Chronicles   2   1
On Her Majesties Secret Service   2   1
Ptolus   2   1
Serenity (Cortex System)   2   1
Spycraft 1.0   2   1
Starsiege   2   1
The Arcanum/Alantean Trilogy   2   1
The Shadow of Yesterday   2   1
Aftermath! (without DAT)   1   1
Artesia   1   1
Cybergeneration   1   1
Dead Meat   1   1
Desolation   1   1
Fuzion   1   1
High Fantasy (Dillow)   1   1
Hong Kong Action Theatre!   1   1
In Nomine Satanis   1   1
InSpectres   1   1
Little Fears   1   1
Magna Veritas   1   1
Noumenon   1   1
OHMAS   1   1
Song of Fire and Ice   1   1
Star Wars d20   1   1
Teenagers from Outer Space   1   1
Terra Primate   1   1
The Riddle of Steel   1   1
Tribe 8   1   1
Whatever I think I'll Run   1   1

One suggestion...

You should have an OD&D(any) category that combines
OD&D 80 9
Swords and Wizardry 76 9

that would make OD&D (any) 156 18 or 5th on the list.

Quote from: GameDaddy;371686D&D is still the 300lb Gorilla...

Seems like if you let the 'best' and 'worst' lists cancel each other out then D&D sinks while Traveller and Call Of Cthulhu rise to the top... where they rightfully belong.