Quote from: Spinachcat;1131354As for DeadDMwalking, and everyone else, their free speech is always welcome here.

Thing is while you and I respect free speech the fact is people like deadDMwalking don't.  They are a insidious breed that will use whatever advantage they can get in order to remove our freedom of speech.  It is a cancer.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1131388Thing is while you and I respect free speech the fact is people like deadDMwalking don't.  They are a insidious breed that will use whatever advantage they can get in order to remove our freedom of speech.  It is a cancer.

I fully agree with you.

BUT...that's the double edge of freedom of speech. We who love free speech must defend the right to free speech for ALL...including those who would seek to destroy our rights. We must defend the speech we hate.

And yeah, that sucks.

deadDMwalking is full of shit, quelle surprise.

KoDT is a good comic, although I must say I liked it better when it was just one or two pages of insanity in Dragon magazine and there was no continuing storyline. Still, it has provided me with many laughs over the years and I fully intend to keep reading it as long as it's published.

Quote from: CTPhipps;1131357This is notably just a letter to them. I've been published there a few times.

Just write to them and they'll print it.

This btw is borderline revolutionary in CURRENT_YEAR when 99% of sites, magazines etc. will either disallow commenting or censor the shit out of it.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1131401I fully agree with you.

BUT...that's the double edge of freedom of speech. We who love free speech must defend the right to free speech for ALL...including those who would seek to destroy our rights. We must defend the speech we hate.

And yeah, that sucks.

I used to be all about the "I may not agree with what you say but will defend your right to say it." I then realized that all of the bigots talking about free speech as their right were utterly uninterested in extending that same right to people talking about the rights of minorities, homophobia, or contradicting their blatant lies about whatever it was that was pissing them off this week.  Because they were bigots, assholes who didn't care about the fundamental principles of honest discourse. They just wanted to win. They also wanted to shut down anyone who didn't agree with them.

I also note a bunch of assholes don't seem to understand what free speech is. It means you can't be arrested for saying something. It doesn't mean that you can go on a racist tirade on a corporate or privately owned forum then not get your ass booted. Its free speech to evict your ass from their electric property.

"No silence, no service."

"All those bigots just want to shut down people who don't agree with them, so those darn bigots must be shut down"
And so the wheel turns and we all become a little stupider.

Quote from: AmazingOnionMan;1131417"All those bigots just want to shut down people who don't agree with them, so those darn bigots must be shut down"
And so the wheel turns and we all become a little stupider.

And the cancer grows.  Man Raging Golden Eagle is right.  We do need to gatekeep out the sjw trash.

Quote from: AmazingOnionMan;1131417"All those bigots just want to shut down people who don't agree with them, so those darn bigots must be shut down"
And so the wheel turns and we all become a little stupider.

That's essentially my point, it argues that bigotry has a place in the intellectual discourse. In fact, shutting down stupid is actually good because stupid people need to be told that they're stupid and that stupidity is not adding shit.

Dave: Listen, [X] people are a drain on America's economy.

Me: You're an idiot.

Dave: I'm exercising my free speech.

Me: Still an idiot. Nothing you're adding is worthwhile. Just shut up.

Dave: America is losing out on debate.

Me: No need to debate stupid.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1131418And the cancer grows.  Man Raging Golden Eagle is right.  We do need to gatekeep out the sjw trash.

*harnesses irony points to power small city*

CTPhipps I don't give a flying fuck what your race, sex, sexuality, or whatever is.  SJWs are some of the most closeted bigots I had ever seen.  Seriously I rather deal with a up to my face KKK member because at least he is honest with his bullsit.  SJWs are too slimy to be honest, but they project this shit out on to others.  

Ah who the fuck I am talking to?  Your fucking okay with working for Rich Thomas who is known for fucking over his freelancers.  Seriously does that shit even bother you?

Quote from: CTPhipps;1131420Dave: Listen, [X] people are a drain on America's economy.

Me: You're an idiot.

Dave: I'm exercising my free speech.

Me: Still an idiot. Nothing you're adding is worthwhile. Just shut up.

Dave: America is losing out on debate.

Me: No need to debate stupid.

And then you google the definition of "bigot"..

Quote from: Snowman0147;1131422CTPhipps I don't give a flying fuck what your race, sex, sexuality, or whatever is.  SJWs are some of the most closeted bigots I had ever seen.  Seriously I rather deal with a up to my face KKK member because at least he is honest with his bullsit.  SJWs are too slimy to be honest, but they project this shit out on to others.  

Ah who the fuck I am talking to?  Your fucking okay with working for Rich Thomas who is known for fucking over his freelancers.  Seriously does that shit even bother you?

I admit, I don't believe social justice warriors exist. There's no group of them, it's just a perjorative like idiot.

Yes, there's a lot of idiots out there but I don't think they are a group like the Illuminati. Holding torch lit ceremonies talking about how Kitana needs to wear pants.

Quote from: AmazingOnionMan;1131423And then you google the definition of "bigot"..

I am fully okay with being a bigot against bigots. As said earlier, "I only discriminate against assholes."

It's not hard.

Hating Nazis is different from hating Jews. The people involved change the context.

Anyway, the RPGsite is not a secret den of bigots so it's a pointless argument anyway.

Quote from: CTPhipps;1131424I am fully okay with being a bigot against bigots.

Well, good luck with that then.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1131369I fully admit to not being inclusive to assholes, idiots and lunatics.

If I adopted this policy I wouldn't have any players.

On the general subject I'll sit down with almost anyone to play rpg's, but I object to being told what should and shouldn't be in them.

Quote from: CTPhipps;1131420That's essentially my point, it argues that bigotry has a place in the intellectual discourse. In fact, shutting down stupid is actually good because stupid people need to be told that they're stupid and that stupidity is not adding shit.

Dave: Listen, [X] people are a drain on America's economy.

Me: You're an idiot.

Dave: I'm exercising my free speech.

Me: Still an idiot. Nothing you're adding is worthwhile. Just shut up.

Dave: America is losing out on debate.

Me: No need to debate stupid.



*harnesses irony points to power small city*

Possibly the worst example ever because people who exist in the welfare state are, by definition, a drain on the economy. Literally take resources and provide none in return. The fact that you automatically assume ANY value of X = idiot just proves you don't want to even listen to an argument, regardless of merit.

Quote from: Brad;1131429Possibly the worst example ever because people who exist in the welfare state are, by definition, a drain on the economy. Literally take resources and provide none in return. The fact that you automatically assume ANY value of X = idiot just proves you don't want to even listen to an argument, regardless of merit.

Already you've failed basic argument because I never said welfare, I said [X] people.

Which already says you mentally filled in X box.

Quote from: CTPhipps;1131432Already you've failed basic argument because I never said welfare, I said [X] people.

Which already says you filled in X box.

Which could mean anything.  Like welfare people, neo liberal people, or even neo conservative people.