I know there was some sort of kerfuffle with the guy who made Zweihander here at theRPGsite but I missed all that.
IMO though whatever that was all about doesn't detract from a pretty darn good RPG Clone of the old WFRP rpg. The art and layout of is fantastic throughout, despite the Asian Halflings and Black Elves (If it's supposed to be set in a Grim and Dark European Pastiche, could we please just skip the SJW'ifying of the setting) and other assorted semi-PC artwork here and there. Anyways even that isn't a really big deal or deal breaker as the art even when it's SJW'ish is still excellent.
So anyways it's availible to download for free for well till tomorrow I guess so grab it while you can.
Zweihander download (http://drivethrurpg.com/product/210516/ZWEIHANDER-Grim--Perilous-RPG--Core-Book?src=hottest)
Pretty sure that kerfluffle isn't contained to one site. I have the book from the Kickstarter though and I generally like what is in it. I don't know if it is enough to make me play it instead of 4th edition WHFRP when it comes out... Or even GURPS. But it is a decent read with good ideas in it.
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?36782-Zweihander-Banned-for-Sockpuppeting
I'm not playing or reading this guy's game.
His penis art thread didn't help, either.
I'm interested enough in it to grab it for free. I'm very unlikely to ever run or play it, so I'll be honest and admit not interested enough to pay for it.
The PDF is free so why not.
I wonder how the people who paid for it feel about that?
Do you know how many companies have done such a offer. Free PDF for a limited time. So many rpg companies. Like new editions it's a good chance of it happening. I get that it might be annoying for those who paid for the PDF. I'm also not going to pass up on getting the PDF free. Nor lose a single nanosecond of sleep over it. Guilt trip attempt, recognized and failed badly.
I'm not sure if I would have supported the kickstarter if I knew about all of this before hand, but as long as I have the thing I can feel safe encouraging people to pick it up for free.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't pay for it at this point, though. Might as well milk everything I can out of it.
Quote from: David Johansen;1004837I wonder how the people who paid for it feel about that?
I paid for it a while back. Don't really care that it's now free, but for that price, I'll encourage others to give it a look. I thought it was alright but not quite good enough for me to want to learn all of the little differences that separate it from WFRP.
Not too fucking great, to be honest...
Quote from: David Johansen;1004837I wonder how the people who paid for it feel about that?
Not too fucking great, to be honest...
Quote from: David Johansen;1004837I wonder how the people who paid for it feel about that?
"But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?"
Quote from: Manic Modron;1004797Pretty sure that kerfluffle isn't contained to one site.
Author seems to be in a class of his own in terms of angering people with his behavior (and that without being an overly combative hothead like most people who piss everyone off). It's mostly from the unrelenting self-brand-promotion, which most people actually 'get', even if they don't like.
That said, I would pick up a free copy of this product if a WFRP retroclone was in my wheelhouse. Those who paid for it got it ___ years ago, when it was 'worth' more. I don't get angry when someone else gets a book out of the bargain bin that I paid full price to buy and read a year earlier.
So how much of it is stolen WHFRPG rules and how much is original work?
The way he was touting it before it was just short of a flat out copy of the original with the names changed.
Quote from: Pyromancer;1004857"But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?"
But in that story the guys who worked one hour were still pissed.
Doesn't this happen to every book and game eventually? Who hasn't seen a video game they bought full price when it was new in the bargain bin later?
That said, had no idea that Zweihander went off the deep end like that.
I'm waiting on the
Flammenschwert supplement.
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1004911Doesn't this happen to every book and game eventually? Who hasn't seen a video game they bought full price when it was new in the bargain bin later?
Yep. It's annoying when you buy something at $20 and then see it for $10 the following week at the same store. Pays to wait and be frugal sometimes.
You can have a good look at the thing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuEbax7TSI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuEbax7TSI)
Why I would buy this over a used copy of Warhammer Fantasy 1E or 2E is beyond me.
Quote from: S'mon;1004807http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?36782-Zweihander-Banned-for-Sockpuppeting
I'm not playing or reading this guy's game.
His penis art thread didn't help, either.
Gadzooks! reading that thread certainly doesn't paint him (
rightfully so) in a good light
I've seen him piss off people on the Chan boards as well.
I'm only vaguely aware of the author's pissing people off online, and not really interested.
I did back the kickstarter and get the big hardcover game. It's pretty sweet.
Quote from: Malleustein;1005022I'm only vaguely aware of the author's pissing people off online, and not really interested.
I did back the kickstarter and get the big hardcover game. It's pretty sweet.
I'm the opposite. I didn't hear of the game until I saw the author's posts so I didn't bother grabbing it. Even for free.
Quote from: Krimson;1005027I didn't hear of the game until I saw the author's posts so I didn't bother grabbing it. Even for free.
Same here. The guy was/is a cheesy fuck who littered the webs with his uber-marketing. I've got no desire to support him or continue my irritation by engaging with his game.
Pundit is verging on the same... but it's pretty easy to avoid him everywhere but this forum.
OA was a 'SJWing' of D&D?
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Voros;1005029OA was a 'SJWing' of D&D?
:rolleyes:
Say what? Is that Oriental Adventures?
The author isn't important enough to me to care about stuff he posted and I already own the book.
Mind you, I wouldn't bother with the game in .pdf. It is a huge tome and I hate using large .pdf books. No matter how well indexed or bookmarked, I just prefer dead tree.
Quote from: Malleustein;1005315The author isn't important enough to me to care about stuff he posted and I already own the book.
As a general rule, I tend to follow that logic. You don't have to be a good person for me to be interested in your elfgame book. Excluding some pretty strong outlier cases (that Scandinavian racist murderer's heartbreaker game, or the equivalent), I don't care about the author. That said, the OSR/Retroclone market is a very small, very internet-dependent, financially fragile arena where one's online reputation is a significant chunk of someone's financial stake in the market. Going online and impersonating another OSR author is kind of a hard no, you are ostracized, no you don't get a second chance level of not acceptable.
Quote from: Voros;1005029OA was a 'SJWing' of D&D?
:rolleyes:
Uh, what? Was that posted to the right thread?
If that's what he got up to, I can understand why people wouldn't want his work. But I didn't see or hear about it whenever it happened, only now and already have the book on my shelf, so it makes no odds to me personally.
It does sound like burning bridges for no reason though.
Having downloaded my copy of Zweihander I promptly got a sales pitch offer for a discount on the premium print version and (forthcoming?) supplements. It felt a bit Ronco "but wait...there's more!"
Lots of publishers send an automated note when you get their stuff on DriveThru, but usually they don't feel quite so hard sell.
Quote from: Willie the Duck;1005346Uh, what? Was that posted to the right thread?
The OP claimed merely having POC in your art was SJWing a game. I used OA to point out the absurdity of his claim and his snowflake-like fragility. Probably best to not derail the thread with politics in the main forum I know but such rank stupidity is difficult to ignore.
I doubt I'd even get this for free.
Quote from: Voros;1005447The OP claimed merely having POC in your art was SJWing a game. I used OA to point out the absurdity of his claim and his snowflake-like fragility. Probably best to not derail the thread with politics in the main forum I know but such rank stupidity is difficult to ignore.
Depends on what the background is. If you've got fantasy-Asians in your fantasy-Europe for no discernible reason other than "gosh representation is important, you know," then it's SJW-ified. If they're conquerors, colonists, wanderers, merchants, etc from fantasy-Asia, then it's not.
So monks are SJWing D&D? Seems like a massive overstatement. Seeing SJWs under your bed and in the closets.
Quote from: Voros;1005489So monks are SJWing D&D? Seems like a massive overstatement. Seeing SJWs under your bed and in the closets.
Nah, they were SJW before SJW was a thing!
Quote from: Voros;1005489So monks are SJWing D&D? Seems like a massive overstatement. Seeing SJWs under your bed and in the closets.
I'm hoping this comment was meant to be humorous.
Lordy.
:rolleyes:
Well that was singularly uninformative while being slightly offensive. Why am I not surprised?
Quote from: Malleustein;1005315The author isn't important enough to me to care about stuff he posted and I already own the book.
If I already like a thing... a song, movie, painting, book, game... finding out it's creator is a cock-monkey usually won't sway me off it too much... because the admiration for the thing precedes the annoyance.
But if I START with seeing the creator being an asshole... then that notion of ass-holieness is gonna lay its stink on whatever comes after.
I think D&D monks count as "cultural appropriation."
Quote from: fearsomepirate;1005545I think D&D monks count as "cultural appropriation."
And the Benedictines are getting pretty darn tired of people doing that. They've complained, but for some reason no one seems to hear them.
Quote from: Bren;1005550And the Benedictines are getting pretty darn tired of people doing that. They've complained, but for some reason no one seems to hear them.
Ha good one
Quote from: Bren;1005532Well that was singularly uninformative while being slightly offensive. Why am I not surprised?
You seem easily offended for this place. So yes, I was being facetious, I think it as absurd to claim the original monk and OA was 'SJWing' D&D as the OP's statement about some POC being in fantasy art. My 'Lordy' was that this wasn't apparently obvious to the self-serious types on here.
I did find the author constant promotion of his product to be a little annoying that being said unlike too many rpg companies that don't do enough advertising or promotion. I won't fault him for doing it. Apparently the Hollow Earth Expedition rpg still has support. Yet unless one goes to their site their is no promotion or advertising of their new product. To me the first one actually cares about their product. The second expects others to figure out they have new product.
I don't want it even for free. It presses all of my buttons to make me go blah.
Extreme! Boobies! Sex! Nudity!
No thank you. If that is all a game is about. Then I will just pass.
I also found the author's invasive promotion to be really annoying. All it did was: Repulse me from his game even further.
I don't get why people do that.
There are some people in other communities who become annoying because they take literally every discussion as a chance to hijack it for promoting their own product. It's OK now and then but eventually I just stop reading their posts.
Quote from: Voros;1005583So yes, I was being facetious, I think it as absurd to claim the original monk and OA was 'SJWing' D&D as the OP's statement about some POC being in fantasy art.
I agree the claim is absurd. I missed that you intended it to be facetious.