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The Worst People You Have Never Met

Started by JulesTheTaxi, January 27, 2024, 07:37:31 AM

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JulesTheTaxi

I saw a link to this article posted on Reddit, so opened the page for later. Later turned out to be a couple of days and now I can't find the post. Checking the article page (still open in my browser) I saw it's archived - https://archive.is/0Nv3c

So this was posted on Medium, shared on Reddit at least once, and within 2 days the original, Reddit link, and even the SoundCloud account with the interview extracts are gone too?!

Did anyone else see it?

S'mon

While in A's interview he says only that Patrick Stuart is "a bit of a prick", Stuart says Olivia Hill (formerly at the company that did popular '90s goth horror game Vampire: The Masquerade) "sounds insane", while when Olivia Hill's girlfriend (and employee) Francita Soto claimed Hill was an abuser and that Hill's game-designer wife Filamena Young was as well, Robert Bohl (author of punk-teen simulator RPG Misspent Youth) sympathised with Soto saying he had secretly had issues with Hill for years, Shoe Skogen (former moderator of the largest and most influential OSR Discord forum) accuses Hill of sketchy sexual behavior in role-play chat and sending mentally-ill people to harass her, while Skogen's ex-, Emmy Allen, also known as "Cavegirl" and "Emily Allen" (author of the game Dungeon Bitches), claims Skogen abused her (Cavegirl ) during their relationship— though Skogen and Cavegirl have never physically met, Skogen in turn says Erika Muse (currently a moderator at the OSR Discord that Skogen used to moderate) outed Cavegirl as trans, while Fiona Maeve Geist (who is also trans) claims that Cavegirl falsely accused her, Geist, of outing Cavegirl as trans, while Brian Yaksha concurs in his interview that Cavegirl is a "a piece of work" and "racist", Yaksha also says Chris McDowall (founder of the OSR Discord forum, as well as author of indie games Into the Odd and Electric Bastionland) is an "egotistical jackass", and further says that two of early indie darling PH Lee's games (Bliss Stage and Hot Guy's Making Out) promote child abuse, but Ash Kreider (author of Our Traveling Home "A Ghibli-inspired fantasy tabletop RPG about queer romance, found family, and finding healing through belonging"), in their interview (in addition to attacking two creators behind the ten million dollar Avatar: Legends Kickstarter respectively as "soulless and toxic" and a "tenderqueer" who made a name for herself by being "nice" but not "kind"), claims PH Lee's enemies used "GamerGate-level harassment tactics" against Lee including contacting mutuals on Twitter and asking them to unfollow Lee, which, however, is a tactic PH Lee's ally Whitney Beltrán (who formerly worked on official D&D's recent Ravenloft supplement with her partner Ajit George and who, last I checked was working on an official triple-A Dungeons and Dragons video game) definitely did to yet another designer.

Wow.  ::)

S'mon

Emails revealed in the court documents reveal the smoking gun — Adkison made the decision to harass Smith about 40 minutes after being asked to by one of Adkison's friends at Evil Hat Productions— the same company that produced Thirsty Sword Lesbians and the popular indie game system Fate.

Just wow. I hope Zak has a copy of all this.

Cathode Ray

were you able to archive the audio links?  The audio has been scrubbed from Soundcloud.
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Dropbear

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 27, 2024, 09:38:28 AM
were you able to archive the audio links?  The audio has been scrubbed from Soundcloud.

Hopefully someone has. The audio is entirely missing from SoundCloud. Someone want to bury this much, maybe?

BadApple

QuoteIf we are to believe accusations of abuse simply because someone made them, we would have to conclude that literally everyone in the tabletop RPG scene is an abuser, very much including all of the women.

At least it would be a more realistic portrayal of perpetrators. 

What this tells me is that the left is both a bunch of abusers and liars simultaneously; I doubt this is much of a revelation to most of you reading this thread.

QuoteSo I read as much as I could stand and then I went for a run because it made me so angry. Because there is nothing I can think of that fills me with more impotent rage than a fellow woman lying about abuse. And not just lying about it, but weaponizing her allegations to actively destroy someone. It is an affront to everything I believe in and everything feminism stands for. It makes it easier for people to dismiss truthful claims (of which an estimated 92–98 percent of all allegations are — or, at least allegations to the police — which her statement was not), and it changes the focus of the entire issue. Instead of supporting and fighting for women who are victims or survivors, we end up talking about one woman who made it all up.

Dr. Weisman, you're going to spend a lot of time feeling angry and betrayed when you really start seeing the full truth of all the accusations that get made, even reports to the police.  In truth, police prove the accusations in police reports surrounding sexual assault and rape to be absolutely false at twice the rate they are proven to be true and roughly 60% of all accusations with police reports to be mostly likely false.

All but one of the #metoo public cases have been determined to have been frauds.  Bill Cosby was convicted with out any one of his accusers stories having any corroborating evidence or testimony and now several of the women who testified have been shown to be less than reliable.

QuoteWhich leads me to the question everyone asks: Why would someone lie about this? Why would someone willingly invite the judgement and attention of others on such a sensitive and painful topic? Why would anyone, ever, want to go through the horror and trauma that so often accompanies the divulgence of sexual assault? I cannot think of a single woman of my acquaintance, myself included, who has been the victim of sexual assault who would not trade anything in the world to be able to forget it even for a day. And then you get sucked into this weird place where she could not possibly be lying and the proof she is not lying is that she is saying anything at all.

There are several social media posts made by women that fully realize that they wield power with accusations and are willing to use it for their own ends without constraints of morality.  In my own personal life I have heard women use it a threat to get their own way and brag about ruining someone's life in this manner.  I even got laughed at when I stated they exposed themselves.  "Everyone already knows.  I can do what I want as long as I have a guy that can be pinned as my abuser."

QuoteI want to repeat this because Skogen admitted it over and over and to this day sees nothing wrong with it: Skogen decided to represent a man as a sexual predator to the entire Googling world because she did not like his tone.
I cannot help but think this thread belongs in the The RPGPundit's Own Forum section.  https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/
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Dracones

Fascinating read, but the article itself is sort of bizarre. The writing style in certain parts is a bit, off. People admitting on tape how much of an asshat they are is, off. Note that with AI, voice can easily be faked, though the soundcloud files are gone now anyway. That the article itself disappearing is, weird. I guess the researcher seems like a real person, though their personal domain is down https://cbweisman.com/. But maybe it has been for awhile, who knows.

I sort of feel like the shit the article is writing about is right in line with how these communities/people operate. But a part of me is also wondering if it's even real at all or some sort of elaborate troll.

BadApple

Quote from: Dracones on January 27, 2024, 11:09:35 AM
Fascinating read, but the article itself is sort of bizarre. The writing style in certain parts is a bit, off. People admitting on tape how much of an asshat they are is, off. Note that with AI, voice can easily be faked, though the soundcloud files are gone now anyway. That the article itself disappearing is, weird. I guess the researcher seems like a real person, though their personal domain is down https://cbweisman.com/. But maybe it has been for awhile, who knows.

I sort of feel like the shit the article is writing about is right in line with how these communities/people operate. But a part of me is also wondering if it's even real at all or some sort of elaborate troll.

Given that much of this was already publicly known and proven in court, I doubt that there's any bit of it that's false. 
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
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Lythel Phany

Going to take it with a bit grain of salt until it comes back online or author makes a comment on why it was removed. Although its not hard to guess she removed it due to threats and harrassment.

Anon Adderlan

Audio clips are here, and they were posted less than 13 hours ago. I'm trying to get a timeframe as to when they were deleted.

BadApple

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on January 27, 2024, 12:04:25 PM
Audio clips are here, and they were posted less than 13 hours ago. I'm trying to get a timeframe as to when they were deleted.

Bless you, Becami Cusack.
>Blade Runner RPG
Terrible idea, overwhelming majority of ttrpg players can't pass Voight-Kampff test.
    - Anonymous

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There are several things weird about this article...
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Quote from: BadApple on January 27, 2024, 12:08:08 PM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on January 27, 2024, 12:04:25 PM
Audio clips are here, and they were posted less than 13 hours ago. I'm trying to get a timeframe as to when they were deleted.

Bless you, Becami Cusack.

I guess? Like all other Zakolytes they have me blocked.

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

And it keeps getting weirder, because if you look at the author's profile on medium you'll find they're being followed by only two people, one of whom is 'erik tenkar'.

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That sounds like a bunch of really classy folks, right there.  A constantly thrashing ball of misery.
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Could anyone give us the TL;DR?

EDIT: the author is on Twitter since 2019... with a couple of tweets, but about 19 followers, Olivia Hill and James Brian Murphy (trollsmyth) being the only names I've heard before. She also follows half a dozen RPG people you might recognize.

EDIT 2: This is all very strange. I would be very suspicious if I cared enough.
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