https://grimoiremanor.substack.com/p/the-toxic-moral-purity-spiral-among
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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.
Well, to give the author the benefit of the doubt, "diverse audiences" doesn't have to mean race or sex differences (like the woke always do). RPGs for different tastes being a good thing is a perfectly logical conclusion. It's only when you use their terminology that you get blatantly stupid results...
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: Anselyn on February 29, 2024, 06:03:58 PM
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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.
Well, to give the author the benefit of the doubt, "diverse audiences" doesn't have to mean race or sex differences (like the woke always do). RPGs for different tastes being a good thing is a perfectly logical conclusion. It's only when you use their terminology that you get blatantly stupid results...
Yeah no, diverse audience only means one thing in 2024. Something for everyone, or open to all play styles, that would mean catering to different tastes.
Preserved for posterity:
https://archive.is/GUg9s (https://archive.is/GUg9s)
Guy makes a whole lotta sense.
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Preserved for posterity:
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I was sorry to hear about this guy's suicide next week.
There's an awful lot of caveats, handwringing, and to-be-sure for what was otherwise a compelling essay.
He also doesn't connect the dots all the way. The entire cancel culture craze isn't caving to the woke mob, it's using the woke mob as an excuse to fire people for ideological and political reasons that would otherwise be unacceptable. "Well we know we can't fire Joe for disagreeing with us politically, but now that we've got this concerned citizen letter from an anonymous activist, we can claim that Joe's opinions are hurting the company's PR image."
This has actually been something I've been thinking about this week since I heard about the stuff going on with the Final Fantasy 7 remake. It's ironic but not surprising that the left has folded over on itself and is starting to go backwards in relation to all the "progress" they've made. Like the article says, they've got their own little Satanic Panic that's been raging for the better part of a decade and a half.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
Only a Leftard could say something like that. Only a racist would think there's such thing as a "Latino game". Only a progressive would be this racist and think he's the hero.
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway? All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*? Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente? No gringos allowed disclaimer? It comes with a taco?
*By the way, this is a real name. Spaniards have long ass names.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway? All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*? Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente? No gringos allowed disclaimer? It comes with a taco?
*By the way, this is a real name. Spaniards have long ass names.
Instead of Yuan-Ti tienes Juan-Ti.
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
Girdles Of Femininity And Masculinity for every player at level 1!
Great article overall, but the real take away for me has been the increasing data that more and more points to these people as suffering severe mental illness.
Obviously, that's self evident, but now it's starting to be proven in an Academic sense. A very recent study of 73 Trans individuals requesting sex re-assignment surgery found 84% of them suffered from Personality Disorders with Narcissism being the highest https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/
When more of these articles like the Medium one are coming out, pointing to just how horrible SJW creatives are not only to the non-woke but each other as well, the fact they're most likely all suffering from extreme Personality Disorders is more and more evident. My hope is with time these people will continue to be rejected and their games start to fail.
As normal gamers begin to realize these people are actually, provably, clinically fucking assholes and you don't have to support them or entertain any of their ideas.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway? All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*? Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente? No gringos allowed disclaimer? It comes with a taco?
*By the way, this is a real name. Spaniards have long ass names.
As it is of common practice, I'd like to exclude us Brazilians from the Latino game (as we exclude ourselves from the Latino tag in general) and have our own game.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 01, 2024, 04:35:18 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 01, 2024, 02:55:23 AM
So what, exactly, would make a game a latino game anyway? All the characters are named things like Manuel y Miguel Vasquez Sanchez Garcia*? Dora the Explorer Spanish insertado aleatoriamente? No gringos allowed disclaimer? It comes with a taco?
*By the way, this is a real name. Spaniards have long ass names.
Instead of Yuan-Ti tienes Juan-Ti.
Huh. Diversity really is our strength.
I think there's been a growing awareness that there may be some individuals who have significant mental health issues who, particularly if white, may obsess over identity issues and adopt queer or trans identities as this affords them minority status.
That's a bold statement. Even though most of us know that it's true. To be fair though, declaring yourself bisexual or trans doesn't require that you actually do anything or change anything about your life. So there is no downside to doing it.
There was a video going around a few months ago when a bunch of men showed up to an "All Woman" tech job fair. All the feminists were mad that the companies accepted the job applications but all the comments where how hiring a fake transwoman is a win-win. The company gets a checkmark and also gets an employee that can actually do the job.
This article brings a lot of observations into a cohesive whole.
It makes be think that perhaps it's best to attack the root: people with self centered personalities. Attacking wokeness, mental disorders, gender stuff, etc is easily repelled by cries of bigot, white suprematist, etc. It's much harder to defend self centeredness, especially for people who claim to be inclusive.
Quote from: Corolinth on February 29, 2024, 10:11:55 PM
There's an awful lot of caveats, handwringing, and to-be-sure for what was otherwise a compelling essay.
He also doesn't connect the dots all the way. The entire cancel culture craze isn't caving to the woke mob, it's using the woke mob as an excuse to fire people for ideological and political reasons that would otherwise be unacceptable. "Well we know we can't fire Joe for disagreeing with us politically, but now that we've got this concerned citizen letter from an anonymous activist, we can claim that Joe's opinions are hurting the company's PR image."
Yes there are other dots not being connected, such as the financial pressure by giants such as Blackrock, Vanguard, & State Street who are usually major shareholders of bigger game companies putting the DEI requirements on these companies, not caring how much it hurts their bottom line because the agenda to destroy Western culture is more important to them than making money. We have all heard the term ' Too big to fail'. When it comes to taking financial losses in order to enable a political agenda, these companies are TOO BIG TO CARE. Oh well we just lost 300 million dollars in the rpg industry. Small price to pay for another wrecking ball used in the downfall of Western culture.
Quote from: zer0th on March 01, 2024, 07:58:11 AM
As it is of common practice, I'd like to exclude us Brazilians from the Latino game (as we exclude ourselves from the Latino tag in general) and have our own game.
That version would be the same exceto with random Portuguese instead of Spanish and Rodrigues would end with an s.
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
Easy! Hire some latinxs*, who will know all about latinx culture**, and then play a session of D&D with them so they know how all roleplaying games work***, and then turn them loose let their creative juices flow! Bonus points if you order some authentic latinx cuisine for the table!
* sry, forgive me
** they're a minority, so their culture is a monolith
*** 2 hours generating characters, 1 hour backstory and aspirations, and 1 hour wandering around renaissance disneyland on a "quest"
Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.
In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.
Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I'm sure she/he/it doesn't know. They were just spouting the various woke shibboleths and expecting the audience to behave like they do at places like TBP; clapping like retarded seals because the woke mantras emerged from the keyboard of a self-professed mentally-ill person of basically the exact same kind as this article is about.
In related news, check out the gender of the sample PC in the preview of the new Zweihander character sheet from Danny Fox, everyone's favorite virtue signaler:https://www.rascal.news/zweihander-rpg-returns-for-the-reforged-edition-on-kickstarter/
Quote from: Persimmon on March 02, 2024, 10:22:30 AM
In related news, check out the gender of the sample PC in the preview of the new Zweihander character sheet from Danny Fox, everyone's favorite virtue signaler:https://www.rascal.news/zweihander-rpg-returns-for-the-reforged-edition-on-kickstarter/
The bigot! It doesn't include an option to choose we, only I. How can the they/thems possibly play this game and remain safe? He is literally committing genocide by not offering this option!!!
Quote from: Persimmon on March 02, 2024, 10:22:30 AM
In related news, check out the gender of the sample PC in the preview of the new Zweihander character sheet from Danny Fox, everyone's favorite virtue signaler:https://www.rascal.news/zweihander-rpg-returns-for-the-reforged-edition-on-kickstarter/
A "non-binary" character that also has a husband and children. But you can't really fault him for doing this as the RPG audience just loves this kinda stuff and gives his Kickstarters thousands of dollars.
So, I won't even pretend that this happening because of game developers.
Someone said this once, when defining the tenets of "fascism":
Quote1. A destined ingroup that is destined to fight and prevail against a vile outgroup (this by definition is flexible)
2. Totalitarian or authoritarian in its structure.
3. A moral framework that is founded on redemptive violence.
4. Usually has a mythological framework built on cultural nostagia.
There are other elements, but this is the core of fascism as a civilizational and cultural model.
What modern social movements does that describe?
1. The oppressed must forever war against the oppressors and there is no hope of redemption except through death
2. Ideological uniformity under pain of excommunication or death
3. Use psychological and physical violence on themselves and others, redemption is only possible through lifelong suffering and ultimately death
4. Mythologize pre-modern cultures as diverse utopias until the oppressors came, heavily rely on nonsensical appeal to nature fallacies (e.g. nuclear power bad, solar power good, meat eating bad, veggie eating good, animals engage in sexual behaviors that must be good by definition), claim various historical figures were secretly members of the oppressed caste
I can go on, but it's pretty clear that leftists are fascists.
Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
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Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 29, 2024, 06:41:57 PM
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
If you're WotC, it means having third-generation latinos who don't speak any Spanish and never left the USA food/travel-blogging about arepas and peasants in sombreros named Rogelio.
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Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.
In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.
Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 02, 2024, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
If you're WotC, it means having third-generation latinos who don't speak any Spanish and never left the USA food/travel-blogging about arepas and peasants in sombreros named Rogelio.
This sounds like a reference to earlier discussion of Mario Ortegón (https://twitter.com/elwarius/status/1506318380583763972?lang=en), author of "The Fiend of Hollow Mine" adventure in the Radiant Citadel anthology - which does picture a peasant named Serapio. But Ortegón is from Mexico and lives in Monterrey, Nuevo León. He also wrote for the Golden Vault anthology.
I know you're in Uruguay and designing too, but Ortegón is equally Latin American. You might not like his work, but he's still Latin American.
None of this bullshit will ever go away until the bulk of humanity stops giving a fuck about the immutable characteristics of content creators.
The correct answer is we need a Parallel RPG hobby.
AKA, our own games, our own conventions and our own publishers.
All the leftist freaks can enjoy their retardation, hopefully culminating in their mass suicide to free Gaza from trans-climate change.
The rest of us can party without them.
And when they scream "White Supremacist Nazi Bigot!!!", the correct answer is to smile and say "thank you for noticing!"
Because we don't need them.
Not as players.
Not as game designers.
Not as publishers.
Not as convention hosts.
We can easily replace them in every aspect of the hobby...and beyond.
Of course the problem is that companies need 'them' as customers. huh...giant ants...the untapped gaming market!
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Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.
In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.
Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.
I've never seen you wear a sombrero, eat a taco, or wear a magic backpack. Frankly I doubt you're truly Latinx.
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Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.
In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.
Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.
I've never seen you wear a sombrero, eat a taco, or wear a magic backpack. Frankly I doubt you're truly Latinx.
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
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Quote from: Grognard GM on March 03, 2024, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 02, 2024, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 01, 2024, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: Domina on March 01, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on February 29, 2024, 11:00:25 PM
I mean, you have a good point. Perhaps we should just make all games Latino in the future. Anyone can play them.
How do you make a game latino? What does that mean?
I have no idea what pawsplay meant, but I would have take that to mean games created in Latin America. (As I've seen it used, "Latin America" tends to include Brazil though "Hispanic America" doesn't.) Most Spanish-language RPGs are from Spain, like Aquelarre or Capitan Alatriste, and they wouldn't count as Latino. But it would include, say, the Crepúsculo RPG produced in Brazil.
In general, games generally do have a style for the culture they're created in. So, say, I'd still call Ryuutama a Japanese RPG -- including the English translation of it. It's not the language, it's the culture.
Reminder: I'm the world's best known and most successful Latin American TTRPG designer.
I've never seen you wear a sombrero, eat a taco, or wear a magic backpack. Frankly I doubt you're truly Latinx.
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
So we're going to need a video of you winning at Soccer.
Smoking your pipe, like you're an athlete from the 1920's.
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Technically, neither are Mayans or Aztecs -- but I bet these "Latinx" fantasy games are ostensibly based almost entirely on those cultures.
Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 07:24:21 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Technically, neither are Mayans or Aztecs -- but I bet these "Latinx" fantasy games are ostensibly based almost entirely on those cultures.
Every Mexican game I have found is based on them. I was making a joke about Uruguay not being able to beat Brazil for the World Cup since 1950 and it being considered a miracle back then.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 07:57:58 AM
Every Mexican game I have found is based on them. I was making a joke about Uruguay not being able to beat Brazil for the World Cup since 1950 and it being considered a miracle back then.
Ha, good burn!
But yeah, ironic isn't it that companies want to hire only descendants of
the colonialists that conquered the civilizations being represented. I can't wait for one of their own to figure out they need to be hiring actual pure Mayan game designers.
Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 08:47:54 AM
Ha, good burn!
But yeah, ironic isn't it that companies want to hire only descendants of the colonialists that conquered the civilizations being represented. I can't wait for one of their own to figure out they need to be hiring actual pure Mayan game designers.
It's hilarious how many of these latinx activist types act like Spanish is their indigenous language and not a European colonial language imposed by force along with other aspects of Spanish culture like Catholicism.
Yeah. A peeve of mine is how they like to lionize the Aztecs as poor misunderstood Latinos, when they were in fact genocidal oppressors little different than the bloodthirsty conquistadors who supplanted them. Cultures like the Tlaxcalans, who helped Cortez overthrow the Aztecs and became vassals of the Spanish crown, are erased from the historical record despite being instrumental in the conquest. Cortez would have failed without their tens of thousands of soldiers helping him, but people act like his few hundred puny soldiers could defeat tens of thousands of Aztec warriors by themselves. Not to mention the extremely convenient plagues that wiped out 90% of the indigenous population. If it wasn't for those plagues, then the Americas simply couldn't be colonized at scale. At best, there'd be a tiny minority of Europeans in a few places like what's seen in the Old World colonies.
Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 07:57:58 AM
Every Mexican game I have found is based on them. I was making a joke about Uruguay not being able to beat Brazil for the World Cup since 1950 and it being considered a miracle back then.
Ha, good burn!
But yeah, ironic isn't it that companies want to hire only descendants of the colonialists that conquered the civilizations being represented. I can't wait for one of their own to figure out they need to be hiring actual pure Mayan game designers.
After 500+ years of interbreeding there's no such thing.
But I can see the progressives enacting the "one drop" rule.
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Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
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Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is
it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
Inertia, mostly.
Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.
By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.
I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).
Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.
There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Greetings!
LOL! Great, Tenbones!
This all makes me wonder, do Latino gamers have special powers? Is that like "Black Girl Magic!"--and yeah, apparently "Black Girl Magic" is a thing that is really believed in by our culture, Hollywood, the entertainment industry, and God knows where else in the culture.
Black women, by virtue of simply being *Black Women"--apparently are gifted with special, unique powers.
Yeah, you know I'm right, too, my friend. You can't make this stupid shit up! LOL. I wish I was fucking with you, but I'm not even joking. I've seen this several times in different contexts, movies, music, books, work environment relationships, business, and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more, right? I know, I know. The stupid factor is off the charts, man. OFF THE CHARTS! ;D
SHE GOT THE BLACK GIRL MAGIC!!!! ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.
By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.
I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).
Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.
There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.
Thanks so much for the reply. I see you and I agree about the label being useless and the absence of a "Latino" culture making it basically a meaningless term.
In the US the term used to be "hispanic". Not really sure when that shifted to "latino". I am thinking that maybe it was wildly adopted by people that are by all account american but want to add an additional label to feel more special, as I've known people that claim to be "latino" but don't even speak/understand Spanish or Portuguese.
Just because their ancestors were immigrants from Mexico (North America) or other countries in South America. In my experience, people that identify as "latino" live in the US. This is by no means a proper sample size, but your comments and the comments of zer0th reflect my own experiences with people from South America who see themselves related to their respective nationality/culture and not as "latino".
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Depends on the region, between the Rio Grande and the Usumacinta rivers you get to choose between Eagle, Snake or Jaguar knights or shaman, hunter & Nahual.
Abbilities are of course Class dependent: Eagle Knights get the abbility to fly at 5th Lvl, Snake Knights are faster than the eye and really sneaky, Jaguar Knights get Fearsome Roar, all of them get +2 to AC from their respective armor.
Shaman and Hunter are meh classes but Nahual... Witch that can cast curses and shapeshift into animals.
You get stick fighthing, sorry them the rules.
Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.
By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.
I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).
Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.
There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.
Thanks so much for the reply. I see you and I agree about the label being useless and the absence of a "Latino" culture making it basically a meaningless term.
In the US the term used to be "hispanic". Not really sure when that shifted to "latino". I am thinking that maybe it was wildly adopted by people that are by all account american but want to add an additional label to feel more special, as I've known people that claim to be "latino" but don't even speak/understand Spanish or Portuguese.
Just because their ancestors were immigrants from Mexico (North America) or other countries in South America. In my experience, people that identify as "latino" live in the US. This is by no means a proper sample size, but your comments and the comments of zer0th reflect my own experiences with people from South America who see themselves related to their respective nationality/culture and not as "latino".
My late boss was first generation descendant from Japanese, he was more Mexican than any of the "Latinos" who were born in the USA, he spoke the language, knew the food and culture and was really good at alburear.
Albures is a double meaning type of argot, usually the seccondary meaning is sexual in nature, the more like normal language you can sound while still badmouthing the other or making innuendo about his/her family the better you are at albures.
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
There was actually an Escrimador class in Dragon magazine #124. I studied that (well, Kali which is almost the same thing as escrima) for about a year and stick fighting has the benefit of working well with machetes and was one of the reasons the U.S. Army moved to the .45 ACP 1911 because the .38 wasn't effective at all
So I've been an Albures master since I was 12, despite only hearing the word today.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 08:13:16 PM
My late boss was first generation descendant from Japanese, he was more Mexican than any of the "Latinos" who were born in the USA, he spoke the language, knew the food and culture and was really good at alburear.
Albures is a double meaning type of argot, usually the seccondary meaning is sexual in nature, the more like normal language you can sound while still badmouthing the other or making innuendo about his/her family the better you are at albures.
Indeed! And that has been my experience with legal immigrants and their offspring, as well. Their identity includes their own ethnic roots, but for the most part is based on their nationality and culture.
Only in the US have I found people so obsessed with their race, to the point that those genetic tests that give you a % of your genetic makeup can be a business. Nowhere else have I heard that to be a thing outside of the US.
Quote from: Exploderwizard on March 01, 2024, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Corolinth on February 29, 2024, 10:11:55 PM
There's an awful lot of caveats, handwringing, and to-be-sure for what was otherwise a compelling essay.
He also doesn't connect the dots all the way. The entire cancel culture craze isn't caving to the woke mob, it's using the woke mob as an excuse to fire people for ideological and political reasons that would otherwise be unacceptable. "Well we know we can't fire Joe for disagreeing with us politically, but now that we've got this concerned citizen letter from an anonymous activist, we can claim that Joe's opinions are hurting the company's PR image."
Yes there are other dots not being connected, such as the financial pressure by giants such as Blackrock, Vanguard, & State Street who are usually major shareholders of bigger game companies putting the DEI requirements on these companies, not caring how much it hurts their bottom line because the agenda to destroy Western culture is more important to them than making money. We have all heard the term ' Too big to fail'. When it comes to taking financial losses in order to enable a political agenda, these companies are TOO BIG TO CARE. Oh well we just lost 300 million dollars in the rpg industry. Small price to pay for another wrecking ball used in the downfall of Western culture.
all these dots make fertile discussion, and I have a lot to say on all of it that I won't here because it isn't really about RPGs specifically. The article, however, was focused on the question of why so many RPGs stink these days. These are all valid points that reveal the bigger picture, but that is all beyond the focus of the substack post.
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Brazilians: "No on can be more ambiguously 'Latino' than us!"
Philipinos: "Hold my San Miguel."
Quote from: Orphan81 on March 01, 2024, 07:36:18 AM
Great article overall, but the real take away for me has been the increasing data that more and more points to these people as suffering severe mental illness.
Obviously, that's self evident, but now it's starting to be proven in an Academic sense. A very recent study of 73 Trans individuals requesting sex re-assignment surgery found 84% of them suffered from Personality Disorders with Narcissism being the highest https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/
When more of these articles like the Medium one are coming out, pointing to just how horrible SJW creatives are not only to the non-woke but each other as well, the fact they're most likely all suffering from extreme Personality Disorders is more and more evident. My hope is with time these people will continue to be rejected and their games start to fail.
As normal gamers begin to realize these people are actually, provably, clinically fucking assholes and you don't have to support them or entertain any of their ideas.
What I'm wondering is what is it about this hobby which attracts them, as I can say with sufficient certainty that it very much does.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 04, 2024, 01:47:26 PM
A peeve of mine is how they like to lionize the Aztecs as poor misunderstood Latinos,
I follow native American representation issues for my own reasons, but I haven't seen what you describe even from the most fringe elements. Do you have a source?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 02, 2024, 11:35:11 AM
Someone said this once, when defining the tenets of "fascism":
Quote1. A destined ingroup that is destined to fight and prevail against a vile outgroup (this by definition is flexible)
2. Totalitarian or authoritarian in its structure.
3. A moral framework that is founded on redemptive violence.
4. Usually has a mythological framework built on cultural nostagia.
There are other elements, but this is the core of fascism as a civilizational and cultural model.
What modern social movements does that describe?
1. The oppressed must forever war against the oppressors and there is no hope of redemption except through death
2. Ideological uniformity under pain of excommunication or death
3. Use psychological and physical violence on themselves and others, redemption is only possible through lifelong suffering and ultimately death
4. Mythologize pre-modern cultures as diverse utopias until the oppressors came, heavily rely on nonsensical appeal to nature fallacies (e.g. nuclear power bad, solar power good, meat eating bad, veggie eating good, animals engage in sexual behaviors that must be good by definition), claim various historical figures were secretly members of the oppressed caste
I can go on, but it's pretty clear that leftists are fascists.
#NotWrong
Quote from: SHARK on March 04, 2024, 05:40:04 PM
SHE GOT THE BLACK GIRL MAGIC!!!! ;D
You'd think they'd be trying to move away from that whole 'magical negro' thing, but here we are.
Quote from: SHARK on March 04, 2024, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Greetings!
LOL! Great, Tenbones!
This all makes me wonder, do Latino gamers have special powers? Is that like "Black Girl Magic!"--and yeah, apparently "Black Girl Magic" is a thing that is really believed in by our culture, Hollywood, the entertainment industry, and God knows where else in the culture.
Black women, by virtue of simply being *Black Women"--apparently are gifted with special, unique powers.
Yeah, you know I'm right, too, my friend. You can't make this stupid shit up! LOL. I wish I was fucking with you, but I'm not even joking. I've seen this several times in different contexts, movies, music, books, work environment relationships, business, and that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more, right? I know, I know. The stupid factor is off the charts, man. OFF THE CHARTS! ;D
SHE GOT THE BLACK GIRL MAGIC!!!! ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Accepting these framings of people is exactly what they want. It's the deconstruction of our culture at every level - and it starts with the useful idiots that righteously purge the "bad shit" from our hobbies and interests in order to establish their bizarre utopia. To us - it's madness.
Well they're going to have to accept the counter purity-spiral. "Unfortunately", it too will go overboard. Sorry, not sorry... as they say.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on March 05, 2024, 09:18:08 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 04, 2024, 01:47:26 PM
A peeve of mine is how they like to lionize the Aztecs as poor misunderstood Latinos,
I follow native American representation issues for my own reasons, but I haven't seen what you describe even from the most fringe elements. Do you have a source?
That scene in
The Eternals where they argue over halting the sacking of Tenochtitlan. The Aztecs are portrayed as innocent victims of the evil white invaders.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
Braizilians are not hispanic. They ARE Latinos.
Spaniards are Hispanic, but not Latinos.
The Portuguese are neither Hispanic nor Latino.
Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
"Latino" is not really about language, the language is just an identifier. Latino is about people who are from the countries that were colonized by the Iberian peninsula. So no, Quebec is not Latino.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 04, 2024, 03:37:58 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.
By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.
I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).
Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.
There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.
The term "Latino" was actually invented in Mexico, in the 19th century, during the Segundo Imperio Mexicano, by the government of Emperor Maximilian I.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on March 05, 2024, 09:18:08 AM
What I'm wondering is what is it about this hobby which attracts them, as I can say with sufficient certainty that it very much does.
Narcissists go to wherever they can be the center of attention.
Find a bunch of more introverted and/or socially awkward types, insinuate yourself, and make yourself the center of attention.
This goes double if you're a narcissistic girl because the socially awkward boys will put up with absolute shit behavior from them if they think there's even a remote chance of getting laid.
What made it especially egregious in the last dozen years is the explosion of social media and fad popularity of D&D thar came from Stanger Things, Critical Role, et al. This made it a magnet for those looking to be at the center of attention because it was the next cool thing with which to be associated... ooh clicks for talking about nerd stuff!
Social media in general is geared towards enabling the narcissists and those with the social clique mentality of teenage girls. So it's no surprise that any discussion of D&D in a medium dominated by that sorta thought will have that line of thought strongly represented.
The sooner D&D dies and the fad crowd moves on, the sooner we can get back to only have to deal with the bargain-basement single-table narcissists (the ones not smart or saavy or pretty enough to fulfill their demands for attention in wider venues).
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There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
I have never understood the usage of the label. "Latino" doesn't really mean anything. I know what its supposed to mean. It means someone in America (the continent) that speaks a romance language (which comes from latin). That is it. It doesn't say anything about who they are or their culture. As you point out, Brazilians speak Portuguese, which is different than Spanish. And Mexico is in North America, while Brazil is in South America. So, they have a different ethnicity, native language and cultural values, but they are both "latino"?
Also, in Canada, there are parts that speak French, like Quebec who's official native language is French, not English. French is also a romance language. But, no one would ever refer to a Canadian from Quebec as "latino".
To me, latino is a meaningless term. So, making a game "latino" means nothing. The cultural values of an american country that happens to speak a romance language have nothing to do with another american country that speaks an american language. Also, even though the US and Canada are right next to each other, they do not have the same cultural values. And no one refers to the US or Canada as "Angloamericans".
I honestly, can't understand why someone can identify with such a label, as the label is meaningless.
Now, I am not saying the people that use the label for themselves are meaningless, I am saying I have a very hard time understanding how can they identify with a label that doesn't really mean anything. Saying someone is "latino" is basically calling them human. I also find strange how people in the US are americans, people from Canada are canadians. But then everyone else is "latinamerican". Again, meaningless term.
And, I am not saying this doesn't happen, but from my travels I known people from Argentina that identify themselves as argentinians and not as "latinos", in the same way people in Chile see themselves as chilean and not necessarily "latino".
GeekyBugle: If you identify yourself as "latino", may I ask what makes you latino in the same way as someone from Brazil? You don't even speak the same language so your cultural values are different. Meaning, you clearly speak English very well, so you have as much in common with people from the US or Canada than with people from Brazil.
Please, don't take this as an offense or attack on your identity, I just really want to understand why someone would accept a label that doesn't really have any meaning as an identifier for their identity.
As you correctly point out Latino just means your country was colonized by a Romance speaking European country and you're from the American Continent.
By that definition yes, I'm Latino. But if all you knew about me was that I'm Laticno you know nothing about me really.
I'm Mexican by birth, culture and nationality, Spanish by nationality and culture, Maya by birth (not the culture since I never lived there nor do I speak the language).
Now, if all you knew about me is that I'm Mexican you can make some educated assumptions about my culture and positions in many things. You still don't know very much about me because an assumption isn't knowledge.
There's no such thing as a Latino culture, ethnicity or anything else, it's IMHO, a label invented by gringos to group us all because we come in too varied a color pallete to be cathegorized that way.
The term "Latino" was actually invented in Mexico, in the 19th century, during the Segundo Imperio Mexicano, by the government of Emperor Maximilian I.
So by the French... Same shit, it's not something any "latino" did.
Quote from: zer0th on March 01, 2024, 07:58:11 AM
As it is of common practice, I'd like to exclude us Brazilians from the Latino game (as we exclude ourselves from the Latino tag in general) and have our own game.
A I have noted many a time. Dragao Brasil was an excellent RPG magazine.
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Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
You forgot Nursing (Basic) d4.
I think you guys are missing the point going down the Latino rabbit hole. They use Latinex which is different and means whatever nonsense they want it to mean as well as different things next week.
You can't defeat insanity with logic. They'll just change the definitions and claim that as proof of their brilliance.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 05, 2024, 11:25:43 AMThat scene in The Eternals where they argue over halting the sacking of Tenochtitlan. The Aztecs are portrayed as innocent victims of the evil white invaders.
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 05, 2024, 06:32:29 PM
The sooner D&D dies and the fad crowd moves on, the sooner we can get back to only have to deal with the bargain-basement single-table narcissists (the ones not smart or saavy or pretty enough to fulfill their demands for attention in wider venues).
Not that we'd miss them if they left too.
This meme (from Frieren: Beyond Journey's End) pretty much sums up what these pondscum bottom feeders do...
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Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
You forgot Nursing (Basic) d4.
Damn. You invoked the Fancy Asian Vs. Jungle Asian rule...
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 08:09:47 PM
Depends on the region, between the Rio Grande and the Usumacinta rivers you get to choose between Eagle, Snake or Jaguar knights or shaman, hunter & Nahual.
Abbilities are of course Class dependent: Eagle Knights get the abbility to fly at 5th Lvl, Snake Knights are faster than the eye and really sneaky, Jaguar Knights get Fearsome Roar, all of them get +2 to AC from their respective armor.
Shaman and Hunter are meh classes but Nahual... Witch that can cast curses and shapeshift into animals.
You get stick fighthing, sorry them the rules.
Can you guys quit the bickering and get to actually making this game? I would totally buy it and play it (assuming I'm allowed to as a white man)
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Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
You forgot Nursing (Basic) d4.
Damn. You invoked the Fancy Asian Vs. Jungle Asian rule...
Elves should not the only ones with 20+ subtypes.
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Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 04, 2024, 08:09:47 PM
Depends on the region, between the Rio Grande and the Usumacinta rivers you get to choose between Eagle, Snake or Jaguar knights or shaman, hunter & Nahual.
Abbilities are of course Class dependent: Eagle Knights get the abbility to fly at 5th Lvl, Snake Knights are faster than the eye and really sneaky, Jaguar Knights get Fearsome Roar, all of them get +2 to AC from their respective armor.
Shaman and Hunter are meh classes but Nahual... Witch that can cast curses and shapeshift into animals.
You get stick fighthing, sorry them the rules.
Can you guys quit the bickering and get to actually making this game? I would totally buy it and play it (assuming I'm allowed to as a white man)
No Filipinos but still
https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/es/product/458762/Macuahuitl-Whitebox-Roleplaying-in-the-Aztec-Empire (https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/es/product/458762/Macuahuitl-Whitebox-Roleplaying-in-the-Aztec-Empire)
Quote from: tenbones on March 07, 2024, 09:34:50 AM
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Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
You forgot Nursing (Basic) d4.
Damn. You invoked the Fancy Asian Vs. Jungle Asian rule...
Are those prestige classes?
Quote from: Joey2k on March 07, 2024, 10:09:58 AMCan you guys quit the bickering and get to actually making this game? I would totally buy it and play it (assuming I'm allowed to as a white man)
You can play, but you can only choose between Knight and Cowboy, and you have to blunder around being blunt, while the Asians casually insult you for being an ignorant round-eye.
Quote from: Joey2k on March 07, 2024, 10:09:58 AM
Can you guys quit the bickering and get to actually making this game? I would totally buy it and play it (assuming I'm allowed to as a white man)
You can buy it to show your allyship but you aren't allowed to run or play it.
Quote from: Grognard GM on March 07, 2024, 07:04:08 PMYou can play, but you can only choose between Knight and Cowboy, and you have to blunder around being blunt, while the Asians casually insult you for being an ignorant round-eye.
Yea, but if you play a Cowboy, the Asians can only either play Cookie or Railroad Worker....
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Quote from: Grognard GM on March 07, 2024, 07:04:08 PMYou can play, but you can only choose between Knight and Cowboy, and you have to blunder around being blunt, while the Asians casually insult you for being an ignorant round-eye.
Yea, but if you play a Cowboy, the Asians can only either play Cookie or Railroad Worker....
Cookie and Railroad Worker are only the "Face" classes that the GM lets the ignorant round-eye playing the Knight or Cowboy know about.
In reality, Cookie and Railroad Worker are from the same "Kwai Chang" prestige class, and are secret masters of
Kung-Fu.
Which the round-eye devil white player will find out about, the second his Knight or Cowboy PC fucks around...
I just want to say these leftard "influencers" do tend to have very lonely and sad endings. They do not get ahead in life chasing Marx, they end up alone, bitter and childless. Speaking of which "Good News" /fansworth. This Anita Sarkeesian's ending, its cat urine and ice cream till she dies now. She was an ice breaker in censorship and did a number on game studios dumb enough to listen to her. A lot of the commisar's based their grift on her grift.
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 07, 2024, 11:13:00 PMhttps://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
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Also, that's a rough 40. She could easily pass for late 40's/early 50's.
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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 07, 2024, 11:13:00 PMhttps://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
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Also, that's a rough 40. She could easily pass for late 40's/early 50's.
I want a Ring Bear.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 07, 2024, 11:13:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
Surely this link should come up in every dictionary definition of narcissism.
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giving diverse audiences different ways to play that suit them can be a good thing.
Now, I don't pretend to speak for anybody but... Can someone please explain to me how assuming that I for being Latino have or can have a different way to play elfgames than whitey, blacks, asians, etc isn't biological essentialism and racism?
I guess the author is including it as a disclaimer to shield himself from the mob... Good luck with that.
Because you have different snacks at the table? You have real tacos and not Taco Hell? You, being latino, would play salsa music and not heavy metal? ;)
Seriously: beats the fuck out of me. I don't understand why these people are so racist. Nope, never mind, I've read some of the leftie publications and can see how their minds are captured. They are some sad little people.
Joseph Ravitts honored my Hispasian brethren in Dragon #124... /sigh yes it was Stickfighting. But! he did a great job. Kahanga-hanga, Joe!
(https://i.imgur.com/mPGJwis.png)
I'd post the rest, but it's 4-pages... It's a solid class for OA tho. I remember using it back in the day.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on March 07, 2024, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: tenbones on March 07, 2024, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 06, 2024, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on March 04, 2024, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: tenbones on March 04, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
WTF is going on in this thread?
What are the Class abilities for Latinos, and do I as a Filipino get the Asian Chi-powered version of that class?
I'm afraid only Chinese, Japanese and Koreans get Chi powers.
You get...(checks list)...stick fighting.
You forgot Nursing (Basic) d4.
Damn. You invoked the Fancy Asian Vs. Jungle Asian rule...
Are those prestige classes?
Filipino prestige class is "Cannibal"
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 07, 2024, 11:13:00 PMI just want to say these leftard "influencers" do tend to have very lonely and sad endings. They do not get ahead in life chasing Marx, they end up alone, bitter and childless. Speaking of which "Good News" /fansworth. This Anita Sarkeesian's ending, its cat urine and ice cream till she dies now. She was an ice breaker in censorship and did a number on game studios dumb enough to listen to her. A lot of the commisar's based their grift on her grift.
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
I'm waiting for her OnlyFans debut, like Rachel Dolezal ;D
I'll see myself out now....
Quote from: tenbones on March 08, 2024, 10:28:44 AM
Joseph Ravitts honored my Hispasian brethren in Dragon #124... /sigh yes it was Stickfighting. But! he did a great job. Kahanga-hanga, Joe!
I'd post the rest, but it's 4-pages... It's a solid class for OA tho. I remember using it back in the day.
And the truly pathetic thing is that today these woke cultists would decry that article as racist and it would likely never pass their "sensitivity" thugs.
Quote from: tenbones on March 08, 2024, 10:28:44 AM
Joseph Ravitts honored my Hispasian brethren in Dragon #124... /sigh yes it was Stickfighting.
RPGs may stereotype your people, but someone cared enough to make a Filipino centric video game, so that's something.
(https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/30620888/3595f195cfc33ef0061b6c0b4c8388ab554e0c1b.png)
Ironically, this is how I look at most people playing 5e. We've come full circle.
Quote from: tenbones on March 09, 2024, 01:41:25 PM
Ironically, this is how I look at most people playing 5e. We've come full circle.
Wait till "Still totally 5e despite being a new system!" comes out.
We are going to find wotc actually can get UNDER a bar set really low.
Quote from: Omega on March 09, 2024, 04:00:13 PMWe are going to find wotc actually can get UNDER a bar set really low.
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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 07, 2024, 11:13:00 PM
A lot of the commisar's based their grift on her grift.
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
She was a true pioneer in the art of using the threat of cancel culture and digital lynch mobs to extort money out of game publishers. Many other worthless parasites have followed the trail she blazed.
This thread reminds me of junior high where everyone would make racist jokes about each other then watch Transformers and eat cookies together.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 10, 2024, 05:33:59 AM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 07, 2024, 11:13:00 PM
A lot of the commisar's based their grift on her grift.
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1765798926425243909/photo/1
She was a true pioneer in the art of using the threat of cancel culture and digital lynch mobs to extort money out of game publishers. Many other worthless parasites have followed the trail she blazed.
I think you are giving this woman too much credit.
She existed because thousands of game companies had already had killed the golden goose by hiring too many problem-glasses women into HR (& elsewhere) to balance out the insanely-male demographics of game/software engineering. The problem she's associated was basically made inevitable as a result of stupid/evil judges & politicians from the 1960s.
Quote from: Brad on March 10, 2024, 08:44:36 PM
This thread reminds me of junior high where everyone would make racist jokes about each other then watch Transformers and eat cookies together.
That's my typical weekend. :)
Quote from: Omega on March 09, 2024, 04:00:13 PM
Wait till "Still totally 5e despite being a new system!" comes out.
We are going to find wotc actually can get UNDER a bar set really low.
I don't get this as marketing at all. If it's still totally 5e, what the hell do I even need it for? I already have 5e.
Quote from: Zelen on March 10, 2024, 09:12:41 PM
I think you are giving this woman too much credit.
She existed because thousands of game companies had already had killed the golden goose by hiring too many problem-glasses women into HR (& elsewhere) to balance out the insanely-male demographics of game/software engineering. The problem she's associated was basically made inevitable as a result of stupid/evil judges & politicians from the 1960s.
No, I think she was a real trailblazer when it comes to using this particular style of grift in the video games industry. She was one of the first to be really successful at creating an imaginary problem out of thin air, whipping up the Twitter mob about it and then offering to solve it for a fee. She truly is the Gail Simone of video games.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 11, 2024, 02:41:18 AM
Quote from: Omega on March 09, 2024, 04:00:13 PM
Wait till "Still totally 5e despite being a new system!" comes out.
We are going to find wotc actually can get UNDER a bar set really low.
I don't get this as marketing at all. If it's still totally 5e, what the hell do I even need it for? I already have 5e.
Quote from: Zelen on March 10, 2024, 09:12:41 PM
I think you are giving this woman too much credit.
She existed because thousands of game companies had already had killed the golden goose by hiring too many problem-glasses women into HR (& elsewhere) to balance out the insanely-male demographics of game/software engineering. The problem she's associated was basically made inevitable as a result of stupid/evil judges & politicians from the 1960s.
No, I think she was a real trailblazer when it comes to using this particular style of grift in the video games industry. She was one of the first to be really successful at creating an imaginary problem out of thin air, whipping up the Twitter mob about it and then offering to solve it for a fee. She truly is the Gail Simone of video games.
Greetings!
Exactly, Yosemitemike! There is a reason everyone knows her fucking name. Even if they aren't certain of all the details, or the what's and How's--everyone knows that Anita Sarkeesian is bad news for people or organizations. There is also a reason why we don't hear about others before her. Some may have existed in various companies, but they never monetized the grift and publicized the grift like Anita Sarkeesian did.
So, yes, she is definitely a trailblazer as a corrupt, lying, manipulative grifter. She is in many ways, merely a digital Demagogue, like from the old days of some crazed freak ranting on a street corner, or scurrying about the neighborhoods, passing out pamphlets.
The difference is, however, in past ages, society at-large possessed enough common sense and wisdom to view grifting demagogues as what they were--hence why such people gained little followings within the public sphere, and remained mostly figures of derision and ridicule, as well as suspicion. In a similar manner, corporations were hard-nosed, and ruthless, and typically very sharp about identifying grifters, demagogues, and criminals. Corporations usually ignored such crazy people entirely. If they paid public attention to such people, it was in the form of hostile lawyers dragging such people into courtrooms for a laundry-list of charges and suits.
And, of course, having regular teams of armed ruffians on call to beat such people senseless and leave them barely alive down by the river, that too, was a method frequently embraced by different corporations.
Nowadays though, we have much stupider generations and feminized corporations, run by weak manlets instead of hard men.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Zelen on March 10, 2024, 09:12:41 PM
The problem she's associated was basically made inevitable as a result of stupid/evil judges & politicians from the 1960s.
Don't forget the bureaucrats.
Quote from: S'mon on March 11, 2024, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: Zelen on March 10, 2024, 09:12:41 PM
The problem she's associated was basically made inevitable as a result of stupid/evil judges & politicians from the 1960s.
Don't forget the bureaucrats.
People can just say Lawyers. That covers lawyers, Judges, and half the bureaucrats and Politicians.
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Quote from: RPGPundit on March 03, 2024, 07:52:01 PM
There are different kinds of Latinos. There's the kind that eat tacos and wear sombreros, and then there's the ones who actually win at soccer.
Technically, Brazilians aren't Latinos.
Wrong, Portuguese IS a romance languaje, it also comes (at least in part) from the Latin. Therefore, Brazilians, comming from a Portuguese colony ARE Latinos.
Braizilians are not hispanic. They ARE Latinos.
Spaniards are Hispanic, but not Latinos.
The Portuguese are neither Hispanic nor Latino.
Being a Brazilian of a certain age and having spoken to other Brazilians about this subject, I can tell you a couple of things about this word "latino" in our context.
If you are a Brazilian over 40 years of age and you are not trying to evoke a socialist Latin American fraternity spirit, you don't consider yourself a latino. Latino is a stereotype that we probably got from American movies: it is a tanned guy who sings bolero in Spanish and can dance salsa or can tango. (And the latina is the feminine version of that.)
We may begrudgingly admit we are technically Latin American—as others have said, Latin America is defined by the countries in the Americas that are successor states of Spaniard or Portuguese colonies—but
not a latino.
On the other hand, younger Brazilians who were raised up with a lot more American culture will think of themselves as latino; but these are the same who would use latinx instead—so, their opinion may not count. Of course, Brazilians living in the U.S. will mostly just accept being called a latino. And, for political reasons, you may find an older Brazilian calling himself a latino, but that is just being neighborly.
To sum up, an older Brazilian may be crossed if called a latino because he will confuse the denotation of the world in the English language with one of the connotations of the same word in the Portuguese language.
And, yeah, we are definitively not hispanic. We came from the former Roman province of Lusitania and we speak the last flower of Latium, thank you very much!
Honestly, I never understood the whole 'Latino/Latin' thing anyway. Sure, I'm just a dumb American redneck from the South, but I actually STUDIED Latin and to me someone who is 'Latin' means they're descended from the Latin tribes of Italy, not from the people of Iberia (who were mostly Visigothic by the time the country became Spain) let alone Hispanola. Spanish ain't Latin anymore than French is Latin. Sure, they're Roman-based languages and are descended from Vulgar Latin, but that's not the same thing.
And nary a cry for pity, the unsung Latinx, was heard!
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 11, 2024, 02:41:18 AMShe truly is the Gail Simone of video games.
I remain convinced Simone has been running a decades-long troll job on the comics industry and her own fans.
Quote from: daniel_ream on March 25, 2024, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 11, 2024, 02:41:18 AMShe truly is the Gail Simone of video games.
I remain convinced Simone has been running a decades-long troll job on the comics industry and her own fans.
Well her Cosplay is certainly on-point.
Quote from: daniel_ream on March 25, 2024, 12:52:16 PM
I remain convinced Simone has been running a decades-long troll job on the comics industry and her own fans.
Le Gail and her crazy cat lady army has been terrorizing the comics industry for 25 years now. Personally, I suspect that she just likes being a bully who can hurt people with impunity.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 26, 2024, 08:36:27 AM
Le Gail and her crazy cat lady army has been terrorizing the comics industry for 25 years now. Personally, I suspect that she just likes being a bully who can hurt people with impunity.
That may well be, and it's not contradictory to my (admittedly tongue-in-cheek) theory. The touchstones are these:
- Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"
- She then pretended not to know why, and then interviewed a bunch of comics pros and presented them as not knowing why either.
- She got her "dream job" writing Batgirl by constantly pointing out that both of them were redheads. That was it, no other qualifications. And it worked.
- Her run on the Batgirl reboot undoes the character's history as Oracle and depicts her as the most incompetent and clueless member of the Bat-family, yet convinced she's smarter and better than the others. It's such a note-perfect parody of the pampered millennialette that it's hard to believe it's accidental.
- Now that she's no longer the golden girl of DC comics, she's turned ugly and vindictive.
Her whole career has a Paul "Ettin" Matijevic feel to it. I think Simone hates comics and hates comics readers, and has from the very beginning, and set out to see how much damage she could do by fucking with them.
Quote from: daniel_ream on March 26, 2024, 10:47:15 AM
Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"
Why
do comics writers kill off the girlfriends and so gruesomely? Killing them off for the sake of cheap drama and shock value is one thing, but why are their deaths so gruesome in addition?
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream on March 26, 2024, 10:47:15 AM
Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"
Why do comics writers kill off the girlfriends and so gruesomely? Killing them off for the sake of cheap drama and shock value is one thing, but why are their deaths so gruesome in addition?
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.
Because it's not for cheap drama OR shock value, also I don't trust her with ANYTHING.
Why kill off the hero's loved one? For motivation, for moral dilema, because men and women WANT to protect their loved ones.
Gruesome deaths? In main stream comics? Press X to doubt.
As for dead men comming back... I bet you it's the titular hero, like in Superman, Hal Jordan and others comming back from the dead.
Wait, I just remembered a couple of gruesome deaths: Superman AND Jason Todd, I read the comic book that prompted the "women in refrigerators" bullshit, it was a GL with Kyle Rayner, and it's the first and ONLY time that has happened.
As for secondary characters comming back from the dead... Gwen Stacy
Barbara Gordon healed from paralisis...
WHY would you believe anything Fail Somemore said about anything?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: daniel_ream on March 26, 2024, 10:47:15 AM
Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"
Why do comics writers kill off the girlfriends and so gruesomely? Killing them off for the sake of cheap drama and shock value is one thing, but why are their deaths so gruesome in addition?
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.
Comics are mostly read by men, usually younger men. Losing your woman and seeking vengeance is a powerful male motivator, an instigator for adventure and struggles all the way back to the epic poems of antiquity.
The men come back because they're the heroes, not girlfriends. Plenty of female heroes have come back, with Jean Grey being a strong example.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.
There are two basic lies here. One is that it is for cheap shock value. The other is that this only happens to women. The whole dead men defrosting thing was only invented after people who actually read comics pointed out that her fridging theory was demonstrably false. First it was that this only happened to women. Then, when people pointed out that this is false, it was that the men came back. Then, when someone pointed out that women came back, it was that men come back more often. These are all rationalizations to preserve her initial claim which was debunked a long time ago but keeps being repeated because it suits some people's politics and is a useful tool for some writers.
Almost no one stays dead in comics. There was an old joke that Gwen Stacy, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben were the only people in comics who actually stayed dead. Two of those have come back from the dead since then.
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 26, 2024, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.
There are two basic lies here. One is that it is for cheap shock value. The other is that this only happens to women. The whole dead men defrosting thing was only invented after people who actually read comics pointed out that her fridging theory was demonstrably false. First it was that this only happened to women. Then, when people pointed out that this is false, it was that the men came back. Then, when someone pointed out that women came back, it was that men come back more often. These are all rationalizations to preserve her initial claim which was debunked a long time ago but keeps being repeated because it suits some people's politics and is a useful tool for some writers.
Almost no one stays dead in comics. There was an old joke that Gwen Stacy, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben were the only people in comics who actually stayed dead. Two of those have come back from the dead since then.
Classic woke rhetoric.
Also, Bucky was in that prestige group of people that actually stayed dead. Until the 90s when he returned as the Winter Soldier. Now, its just Uncle Ben.
Quote from: Cipher on March 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: yosemitemike on March 26, 2024, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.
There are two basic lies here. One is that it is for cheap shock value. The other is that this only happens to women. The whole dead men defrosting thing was only invented after people who actually read comics pointed out that her fridging theory was demonstrably false. First it was that this only happened to women. Then, when people pointed out that this is false, it was that the men came back. Then, when someone pointed out that women came back, it was that men come back more often. These are all rationalizations to preserve her initial claim which was debunked a long time ago but keeps being repeated because it suits some people's politics and is a useful tool for some writers.
Almost no one stays dead in comics. There was an old joke that Gwen Stacy, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben were the only people in comics who actually stayed dead. Two of those have come back from the dead since then.
Classic woke rhetoric.
Also, Bucky was in that prestige group of people that actually stayed dead. Until the 90s when he returned as the Winter Soldier. Now, its just Uncle Ben.
I looked up Refrigerator Girl out of curiosity. Apparently she's stayed dead with only the occasional "What If?" alternate universe/time travel/ring construct version appearing from time to time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_DeWitt
Because yeah. Death in comics is a joke. And when they try to portray it as a big hairy serious deal, I just roll my eyes.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 27, 2024, 03:06:55 AM
Because yeah. Death in comics is a joke. And when they try to portray it as a big hairy serious deal, I just roll my eyes.
The time when they tried to get people to care about Kamala Khan dying was hilarious. She's totes dead for reals. Sure she is. She was back like a month later but a mutant now because Marvel isn't pushing Inhumans any more. No one cared about the death of Ms Marvel because everyone knew she would be back almost immediately.