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The most over-rated figures in the "gaming industry"

Started by RPGPundit, September 11, 2006, 04:51:06 PM

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Vellorian

#30
September 12, 2006, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: One Horse TownThey wear different coloured shirts though.

That's photo-manipulation at its finest!  :)  It's like Michael and LaToya Jackson: you never see them together and it's enough to make you wonder.  ;)
Ian Vellore
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry

King of Old School

#31
September 12, 2006, 11:10:46 AM
Quote from: gleichmanMark Rein*Hagen  needs to be there for starting the whole White Wolf thing.
Overrated doesn't mean "designed a game I don't like."  Nor does it mean "pretentious."  I have no opinion on him either way but calling the man who created one of the most commercially successful RPGs of all time "overrated" shows a lack of perspective.  I think his status in the industry (which nowadays isn't all that elevated anyways... it isn't 1994 anymore) is entirely commensurate with his contributions to it, unlike GMS or Ron Edwards.

KoOS
 

Vellorian

#32
September 12, 2006, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: King of Old SchoolNor does it mean "pretentious."  

I don't know. It could mean "pretentious."  ;)
Ian Vellore
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry

gleichman

#33
September 12, 2006, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: King of Old SchoolOverrated doesn't mean "designed a game I don't like."  Nor does it mean "pretentious."

Popularity itself is overrated and is no protection.
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gleichman

#34
September 12, 2006, 11:13:17 AM
Quote from: VellorianThere are many similarities between GMS and RPGPundit. ;)


Wow...

I could almost be convinced of this...
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JMcL63

#35
September 12, 2006, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: gleichmanWhat good work he does on HERO System is little more than that of a editor. In that role, he did good things by combining nearly all the rules into a single book (although even here there were significant failures).

-SNIP-

In fact in impact on me, Long should be at the top of my list even over Edwards. I can't believe I forgot him when I made the post.
Good rant man! I suspect that your rage is less 'Steve Long is overrated' than it is 'Steve Long screwed over the HERO system'. No matter- I empathise with your pain. ;)
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JongWK

#36
September 12, 2006, 11:26:50 AM
Quote from: gleichmanThis one:
http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forum/index.php?topic=11288.msg121117#msg121117

Just read that thread.

Ugh.

:combust:
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~~Gary Gygax (1938 - 2008)

blakkie

#37
September 12, 2006, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: gleichmanPopularity itself is overrated and is no protection.
You know, I'm thinking Gary Gygax at times borders on the top 10. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a colourful old coot and "pretentious" is not the word that springs to mind at all. But still...well I think he gets a more rating than his fair share.

P.S. For those that didn't know of ENWorld, you likely also didn't know that for coming on 6 years he's posted there.  Almost exclusively in the series of Ask Col. Playdoh threads (he uses the handle 'Col. Playdoh').
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gleichman

#38
September 12, 2006, 11:30:09 AM
Quote from: JMcL63Good rant man! I suspect that your rage is less 'Steve Long is overrated' than it is 'Steve Long screwed over the HERO system'. No matter- I empathise with your pain. ;)

Hey! He screwed over the greatest published game system of all time and some people think he's the sow's ears!

I call that overrated :hissyfit:

Hmm... you may have a point.
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Mr. Analytical

#39
September 12, 2006, 11:34:20 AM
"The sow's ears"?  Are those like the dog's bollocks?

Vellorian

#40
September 12, 2006, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analytical"The sow's ears"?  Are those like the dog's bollocks?

And "chicken lips."  Never forget "chicken lips."

Yum!  :D
Ian Vellore
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry

gleichman

#41
September 12, 2006, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: Mr. Analytical"The sow's ears"?  Are those like the dog's bollocks?

Sow's ears, as in something fools think you can get silk from from...

Ok, it wasn't the best choice of wording, but I was having a hissyfit ok?
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Mr. Analytical

#42
September 12, 2006, 11:55:46 AM
Oh yes, I see.

I thought it was some weird local expression from wherever it is you're from.  In London "Dog's bollocks" or "Mutt's nuts" generally means something is fantastic, like "The cat's pyjamas"

szilard

#43
September 12, 2006, 12:05:43 PM
Over-rated game designers are those who extol their own importance and genius.

If a game designer's reputation comes from those who enjoy their games, they aren't over-rated.

-Stuart
 

King of Old School

#44
September 12, 2006, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: gleichmanPopularity itself is overrated and is no protection.
It is if your high rating is on the basis of designing popular games.  It is, in fact, the only "protection" someone like Rein*Hagen needs.  He's rated highly for making popular games, the games he makes are popular by any objective measure, thus he's not overrated.

Now if you wanted to qualify your statement with something like "Rein*Hagen is overrated as a designer of game mechanics," I wouldn't take issue.  Of course, I know very few people who think the Storyteller v1.0 mechanics are all that solid so I'd argue he's not actually overrated in that department either...

KoOS
 
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