The ttrpg / dnd Left have demanded that game designers sign up to a Loyalty List promising they support the Harris/Biden ticket. I share what I think about that, and also I review the Darkwood RPG!
If you Google "Game Designers support Biden", all the results are about a comment made by Biden in January that game designers are "little creeps" who "teach you how to kill".
Of course, Googling "October Surprise" is pointless.
Any link to said list?
October-surprise.com (http://october-surprise.com)
Looks like it's mostly the same people as 4 years ago.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 02, 2020, 08:38:36 AM
October-surprise.com (http://october-surprise.com)
Thanks. Most of the entries on that list are not a surprise and it looks like WotC and Paizo sent out an email to their employees. There are a couple of people I'm pleasantly surprised are not on that list. I won't mention them for obvious reasons.
Most disappointing for some reason is Jeff Dee. I figured he'd be old enough now not to fall for such a pointless virtue signal.
I was surprised at Steve Jackson. I figured he was more of a "hate all of them" kind of guy. At least he hasn't made enough of a fuss for me to notice before now.
I guess I should thank them for helping me thin out my wishlist at DriveThru.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on November 02, 2020, 08:35:45 AM
If you Google "Game Designers support Biden", all the results are about a comment made by Biden in January that game designers are "little creeps" who "teach you how to kill".
Didn't for me, so I dug deeper. Enjoy.
[IGN]Joe Biden Calls Silicon Valley Game Developers 'Little Creeps' (https://za.ign.com/joe-biden/141042/news/joe-biden-calls-silicon-valley-game-developers-little-creeps)
[MSN]'Teach you how to kill': Joe Biden slams 'creeps' who make video games (https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/teach-you-how-to-kill-joe-biden-slams-creeps-who-make-video-games/ar-BBZ7lZr)
[Forbes]Joe Biden Calls Game And Tech Executives 'Little Creeps' Whose 'Games Teach You To Kill People' [Updated] (https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2020/01/21/joe-biden-calls-game-devs-little-creeps-whose-games-teach-you-to-kill-people/?sh=18638993d80f)
[Washington Examiner]'Little creeps': Biden says Silicon Valley video game designers 'teach you how to kill' (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-hits-silicon-valley-little-creeps-and-says-video-game-designers-teach-you-how-to-kill)
Video:
Joe Biden Has the Same Ignorant Stance on Videogames as Trump Does (https://youtu.be/L_fLua0a9JY)
Biden calls video game executives "little creeps" (https://youtu.be/w6IkAM83KUE)
Boomer Joe Biden Calls Game Devs 'Little Creeps' (https://youtu.be/ma5L20dEx88)
These designers really do support their own destruction, don't they? Wonder what they get out of it.
Quote from: Joe BidenAt one point, one of the little creeps sitting around that table, who was a multi- — close to a billionaire — who told me he was an artist because he was able to come up with games to teach you how to kill people,
And I'm calling bullshit on that ever having happened.
Quote from: Almost_Useless on November 02, 2020, 09:24:23 AM
I was surprised at Steve Jackson.
I didn't even know he was still alive. The only good part about Gygax and Arneson no longer being with us is that they can't roll them out for political purposes like what they did to Stan Lee.
Quote from: Almost_Useless on November 02, 2020, 09:24:23 AM
I was surprised at Steve Jackson. I figured he was more of a "hate all of them" kind of guy. At least he hasn't made enough of a fuss for me to notice before now.
I was under the impression that Jackson was more of a libertarian, but that's a batch that's not particularly happy with Trump either, so maybe he decided to go for the 'respectable' side. Or I was just completely wrong.
He, Jeff Dee, and Warren Spector are probably the biggest names that weren't on the 2016 list. I'm surprised Mentzer's not on there, given his backing of the Democratic convention earlier this year.
A convenient personal boycott list.
I'm glad to see some of my favorites on there. And some jerks. No different than celebrity endorsements, which never have much effect AFAIAC.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 02, 2020, 08:38:36 AM
October-surprise.com (http://october-surprise.com)
Looks like it's mostly the same people as 4 years ago.
Looks like they did not manage to get the good designers to sign which is a relief.
QuoteIn the last couple weeks, the Trump team has tossed out the traditional cockamamie surprises in October, hoping to swing the vote toward them. Hunter Biden's stolen laptop, Iranian Proud Boy conspiracies, miracle drugs that miraculously don't exist—all a fever dream from the Fox News Cinematic Universe.
It's all an attempt to distract from their complete lack of fitness to govern. Hundreds of thousands dead from COVID-19. White supremacy on the rise. An economy in shambles. A climate on the brink of ruin. A president threatening the peaceful transfer of power. All their fault.
This looks like it was written by a CCP operative.
They believe in science but babies are clumps of cells? That alone denies them a place at the table. Also, I didn't count but do they really think all gamers think like they do? I also only recognize maybe five people on the list and half of them don't come as a surprise.
My biggest gripe is that Skarka didn't put Far West on his list of accomplishments.
Whatever. The arguments against their positions have been made and re-made. And I already voted for Trump. That vote was locked in during the Cavanaugh interviews. I have no especial love for the Republicans, but the Democrats have managed to make themselves into the greater of two evils.
Remember, don't give money to people who despise you! Buy OSR!
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 02, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
Remember, don't give money to people who despise you! Buy OSR!
Liz Danforth has pretty solid OSR cred in my book... as does Grubman and Steve Jackson.
Not that the OSR has any particular political stance...
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 02, 2020, 08:38:36 AM
October-surprise.com (http://october-surprise.com)
There is nobody on that list who I planned on supporting, so I will happily continue not to support them.
Quote from: https://www.october-surprise.com/
Steve Jackson, game designer and founder at Steve Jackson Games (Munchkin, GURPS, The Fantasy Trip, Ogre, Car Wars, Zombie Dice, Illuminati)
Say it ain't so Steve!
I was always going to vote gold, but if I was the wishy washy sort who'd vote out of spite, this would have convinced me to go red. The inclusion of GMS on the list is just icing on the cake.
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
My biggest gripe is that Skarka didn't put Far West on his list of accomplishments.
That would certainly be the first time anyone considered it an accomplishment.
A bit more seriously though, look at who isn't there (or at least I didn't find):
- No Monte Cook (just apparently everybody who works for him)
- No Matt Mercer
- No Matt Colville
Cool review rpgpundit, thanks for bringing darkwood to my attention. I might grab a copy!
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 02, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
I'm surprised Mentzer's not on there, given his backing of the Democratic convention earlier this year.
Mentzer was Cancelled.
Quote from: Sir Hayward on November 03, 2020, 12:21:01 AM
Cool review rpgpundit, thanks for bringing darkwood to my attention. I might grab a copy!
Yeah. I should note that a future RPGPundit Presents (already written before I got this book) is going to be about the Sherwood forest, but luckily most of the material is very different from what's in Darkwood.
Quote from: Almost_Useless on November 02, 2020, 09:14:38 PM
A bit more seriously though, look at who isn't there (or at least I didn't find):
- No Monte Cook (just apparently everybody who works for him)
- No Matt Mercer
- No Matt Colville
I noticed that as well.
Quote from: tenbones on November 02, 2020, 10:56:34 AM
A convenient personal boycott list.
Sort of. It's got a lot of nobody's mixed in that produce things that would never make my it onto my radar even on the barest scrap of merit anyway. A lot of trouble to wade through it to find the people that I might consider before boycotting. Maybe I'll copy it and put it into an Excel spreadsheet? ;D
I disagree this is a boycott list. Or I fail to see the point.
First, aside from a wooden checker's set carved by Hitler himself, I'll play what I like regardless of the politics of the person who created it. I don't want to have to research game designer politics and personal life to vet a game. I don't want to have to drop a good game because the designer changed worldviews. I couldn't care less. Besides, I've seen several cases of people elsewhere posting good things about Lion and Dragon or whatever and then redacting everything once the woke brigade tells them about all Pundit's evils. It's just fucking silly.
Second, "living well is the best revenge." If some deplorables enjoy a SJW's game, I can't imagine anything that would get stuck in the SJW craw worse that that. We should be playing fucking Sword Dream and live streaming it.
Saving me money as I just cancelled a kickstarter project I was supporting by one of the members of that list. Boycott or not, that is your choice. I just dislike the tone of this Surprise website's message. And I doubt that any of them are authorities on what is fact or fiction. They are running with what they want to think is true and standing behind it. That is their choice, just as mine is to support them or not.
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.
Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
Boomer Joe Biden Calls Game Devs 'Little Creeps' (https://youtu.be/ma5L20dEx88)
I just have to point out real quick that this one is total BS...
Biden is too old to be a baby boomer. He was born in 1942, while the baby boomers didn't start until 1946. Gosh!
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on November 03, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
Boomer Joe Biden Calls Game Devs 'Little Creeps' (https://youtu.be/ma5L20dEx88)
I just have to point out real quick that this one is total BS...
Biden is too old to be a baby boomer. He was born in 1942, while the baby boomers didn't start until 1946. Gosh!
Ok Boomer
Quote from: Shasarak on November 03, 2020, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on November 03, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
Boomer Joe Biden Calls Game Devs 'Little Creeps' (https://youtu.be/ma5L20dEx88)
I just have to point out real quick that this one is total BS...
Biden is too old to be a baby boomer. He was born in 1942, while the baby boomers didn't start until 1946. Gosh!
Ok Boomer
Lol - hardly. I'm solidly in the millennial category. (though frankly, the classification of generations is generally pretty silly anyway; at least the first few years of the baby boomers was notable as there was a literal boom of babies being born post WWII as soldiers came home and the economy finally recovered from The Great Depression, but by 1964 they were hardly the result of soldiers coming home anymore)
Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.
Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.
I don't care about who a game designer votes for, either, or who they support (even if they can't vote in any given country's elections) or what their politics are.
I do care, however, about what people (or corporations) DO. So if they support Cancel culture, take an active role in the wrong side of the Culture War, promote harm, etc. or any type of activity I might take strong objection to, I will not give them money, or clicks/traffic (I will post an archive link if I need to reference their site), or any type of support. If they're not terribly politically active, but had said shit or thrown stones in the past, I may limit my support. And if I still like their products despite their political actions and that product comes in a digital format, I'm gonna have to plea the 5th on how I might get a hold of that product if I'm so inclined (me laddies). Lets just say Disney hasn't seen a cent from me for the Mandalorian, which is a pretty good show (still haven't seen the 2nd season, though, so no spoilers :P).
Having a list of people supporting Biden is one thing. Why, on earth does that whole thing start off with saying Hunter Biden's laptop was stolen though? Strange you begin your rant with a flat out lie, it sort of leads me to think any, and everything else, you say is a lie.
Quote from: rytrasmi on November 03, 2020, 01:09:10 PM
I don't want to have to research game designer politics and personal life to vet a game.
Me either. I don't even want to know their politics. But if they want to insist that I know them, then that's on them. I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt until they work really hard to convince me to stop.
Quote from: oggsmash on November 03, 2020, 04:01:37 PM
Having a list of people supporting Biden is one thing. Why, on earth does that whole thing start off with saying Hunter Biden's laptop was stolen though? Strange you begin your rant with a flat out lie, it sort of leads me to think any, and everything else, you say is a lie.
Laptop turned over to the police/FBI because of kiddie porn = "Stolen laptop"
I guess it's the same as "some women have penises" nonsense.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 03, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Me either. I don't even want to know their politics. But if they want to insist that I know them, then that's on them. I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt until they work really hard to convince me to stop.
Exactly. I'm grown-up enough to understand there are people who don't agree with me. But if they insist on me considering their politics at the same time I think about their products, I guess I will. Will it make a difference on picking up a $1 pdf from Phil Reed? Probably not. The next time Steve Jackson asks me to drop a good amount of money on a Kickstarter, it just might.
After having gone over the list more thoroughly(it's very long, so I skimmed earlier; sue me), . . . well, can't say I'm surprised to see someone I consider a long-time personal friend on it(we go back to like 2000ish). It's a bit surreal, but whatever. No, I'm not gonna put him on blast. But if you know my regular haunts, I doubt it's that hard to figure out if you really want to know.
Still chuckling at them putting GMS there, though. That's not gonna get old anytime soon.
Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.
Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.
The problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.
So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 02:13:06 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.
Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.
The problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.
So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?
Because THEY don't have any actual control over what games I play, much less over whether I live. If THEY make something I think looks like it might be fun, I'll give it a try. If somebody else makes a case that I should buy their game on shared political views, I'll likewise laugh at them too and judge their product solely on its own merits.
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 04, 2020, 02:29:56 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 02:13:06 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on November 03, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I truly do not care who a game designer votes for, for U.S. President.
Particularly not on a message board run by a game designed who is from Canada and who moved to Uruguay and who does not even vote in US Presidential elections.
The problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.
So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?
Because THEY don't have any actual control over what games I play, much less over whether I live. If THEY make something I think looks like it might be fun, I'll give it a try. If somebody else makes a case that I should buy their game on shared political views, I'll likewise laugh at them too and judge their product solely on its own merits.
Exactly. Don't give them the power to control what you play or do. They don't want your money and would rather you don't play their precious game because of politics.
If a few "conservatives" buy a "liberal" game, the money makes no difference. If a lot of conservatives buy a liberal game, then it's not a liberal game anymore. A low-effort political statement by the designer is vastly outweighed by the statement made by the designer in accepting money from his "enemies."
^I agree!
Giving people who hate and would try to destroy you your money is the best way to pwn them. This is totally the way they'll take it, and it will totally not enable or empower them.
This is not sarcasm*, btw.
*yes it is.
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 02:13:06 AMThe problem is THEY care who YOU vote for. They made it very clear, that if you support Trump you're a "white supremacist" and probably shouldn't even be allowed to live, much less to play RPGs.
So why would you dishonor what they already stated they care about by giving them your dirty nazi-money they essentially made clear they don't want?
There's a literal world war going on and most people are too stupid to see it. The Marxists are working overtime to take control of everything, and an easy way to do it is through dumb crap like cartoons and roleplaying games. I know YOU realize this, but there are far too many "hey, no big deal, live and let live, hah hah play what you want!" retards who cannot fathom the idea that eventually the communists WILL come for our books. They must destroy everything that does not fit align with their ideology.
I used to think 1984 was hyperbole, now I understand it was prophetic.
Quote from: VisionStorm on November 04, 2020, 09:25:18 AM
^I agree!
Giving people who hate and would try to destroy you your money is the best way to pwn them. This is totally the way they'll take it, and it will totally not enable or empower them.
This is not sarcasm*, btw.
*yes it is.
If you want to subvert or exploit the products of those who would use your money for wicked ends, the best option is to get the books secondhand. You get the books, they get no money. :)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 04, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
If you want to subvert or exploit the products of those who would use your money for wicked ends, the best option is to get the books secondhand. You get the books, they get no money. :)
Nah. Subversion is for Marxists who can't get their way without first undermining what is good.
Instead I'm going to redouble my efforts to finish my "Superversive"* RPG and setting. Embrace and extol the good. There's enough in the OSR for those who prefer that style (which I do not), but there's a lot less in the field of more modern systems (which I do prefer but for their often annoying degree of politics).
Give people a choice for a game in the style they enjoy but without the preaching and I have to believe there's an audience for that.
* The term was coined by a group of sci-fi authors determined to fight the Leftist push into that market, not by writing opposing political tracts, but by putting a priority on extolling the virtues of the genre (the wonder, the beauty of discovery, etc.). In the case of an RPG system/setting I view this to be the idea that you are playing a hero and champion of the civilized world standing in opposition to the forces of darkness which surround it.
^Agreed with Armchair Gamer.
If you like a creator's work, but they are an insufferable jackass, you can buy their books secondhand. You get their work and they get no money.
Really, I know a lot of people are pretty sore right now and things are not looking good, but let's not descend into personal attacks. This isn't RPG.net. Let's not succumb to the same sorts of paranoid fantasies that the moderators of that big, purple collection of douchebags do.
The Cheka are not coming to confiscate your DnD collection. The Twidiots might organize to annoy a platform until they remove a creator you like, but find a different way to support that creator anyway.
Focus on what makes you happy, and live your life. Don't be like the paranoid nutjobs on Twitter.
Quote from: Chris24601 on November 04, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 04, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
If you want to subvert or exploit the products of those who would use your money for wicked ends, the best option is to get the books secondhand. You get the books, they get no money. :)
Nah. Subversion is for Marxists who can't get their way without first undermining what is good.
Instead I'm going to redouble my efforts to finish my "Superversive"* RPG and setting. Embrace and extol the good. There's enough in the OSR for those who prefer that style (which I do not), but there's a lot less in the field of more modern systems (which I do prefer but for their often annoying degree of politics).
Give people a choice for a game in the style they enjoy but without the preaching and I have to believe there's an audience for that.
* The term was coined by a group of sci-fi authors determined to fight the Leftist push into that market, not by writing opposing political tracts, but by putting a priority on extolling the virtues of the genre (the wonder, the beauty of discovery, etc.). In the case of an RPG system/setting I view this to be the idea that you are playing a hero and champion of the civilized world standing in opposition to the forces of darkness which surround it.
Nail, head, ETC. That's how you do it. People can smell sanctimonious preaching a mile away. Just keep the values Humanist, and you will succeed.
Quote from: Chris24601 on November 04, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
Nah. Subversion is for Marxists who can%u2019t get their way without first undermining what is good.
Good point. I was thinking more of cases where good people are doing good products for companies that have embraced less than good agendas. A lot of Ken Hite's stuff for Pelgrane comes to mind.
But is it really subversion when you take something twisted to the darkness and try to redeem it? :)
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Instead I%u2019m going to redouble my efforts to finish my %u201CSuperversive%u201D* RPG and setting. Embrace and extol the good. There%u2019s enough in the OSR for those who prefer that style (which I do not), but there%u2019s a lot less in the field of more modern systems (which I do prefer but for their often annoying degree of politics).
Give people a choice for a game in the style they enjoy but without the preaching and I have to believe there%u2019s an audience for that.
As someone who's been following the Superversive movement since Pundit linked to John C. Wright's blog six years ago (meaning it as condemnation), I look forward to seeing what you come up with. :)
I think next years October Surprise will be on them as fracking flourishes, income inequality skyrockets, San Francisco and Seattle collapse, they get no UBI, no Universal Healthcare, the wars with Iran and Syria finally kick off as Iraq and Afghanistan ramp up, and President Harris tells them they have to turn in all the guns they bought this year.
Trump will be gone and life will still suck, probably even harder.
Who am I kidding, they'll all go back to sleep and pride themselves on having done something.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on November 04, 2020, 10:16:03 AM
As someone who's been following the Superversive movement since Pundit linked to John C. Wright's blog six years ago (meaning it as condemnation), I look forward to seeing what you come up with. :)
If you want to see it, I can shoot you a link to the current PDF iteration as I always welcome feedback (even if its just "I like this" or "I don't like that"... its been radically transformed from the original iteration precisely because of all my playtesting/feedback efforts).
The same offer holds for anyone else here for that matter.
Now they're cheering open Electoral Fraud, and are going to be responsible for civil war.
There's not going to be civil war. People find it fun to LARP about online, but outside of a few lone wolf incidents nothing like that would come close to happening unless most of the country's lorry drivers went on strike or something - people on the Right are a mixture of too complacent ("w-we'll get 'em n-next election!") or too respectful of law and order for anything to come to pass without Commissars and/or starvation actively coming into their home.
I'm sure if Trump wins we'll see widespread rioting fiery but mostly peaceful protests but I don't expect anything more than "far-right literal nazi Proud Boys occupy a street in DC before being escorted out" if Biden wins.
Quote from: Snark Knight on November 04, 2020, 07:37:39 PM
...most of the country's lorry drivers went on strike or something.
Thank God we don't have any of those 'lorry' thingamajigs over here. ;)
Quote from: Snark Knight on November 04, 2020, 07:37:39 PM
There's not going to be civil war. People find it fun to LARP about online, but outside of a few lone wolf incidents nothing like that would come close to happening unless most of the country's lorry drivers went on strike or something. I'm sure if Trump wins we'll see widespread rioting fiery but mostly peaceful protests but I don't expect anything more than "far-right literal nazi Proud Boys occupy a street in DC before being escorted out" if Biden wins.
I think that the generally accepted ratio is 93% peaceful protest to 7% rioting.
Greetings!
Raise taxes more, fuck the economy with more unemployment and poverty, lock down more of society, enforcing more fucking masks, persecute Christians gathering in churches, charge and arrest more citizens defending themselves, cheer on more BLM and ANTIFA riots, keep peddling more godless Communism in schools, and start confiscating people's firearms.
All this BS is stuff the fucking Liberals under Biden and Harris love. Bernie, AOC and the fucking "squad" love this shit.
To normal, conservative, traditional-minded Americans, all of that is kindling being soaked in gasoline. All it takes is a single lit match, for a firestorm to be unleashed.
Who knows where or when such a match will be dropped into the gasoline? This isn't a good situation for America to be in, and anyone that thinks everything is just gonna go on like normal eating cupcakes and playing video games is naïve. But the fucking Marxists don't care. They want America to be Communist slaves, or burn. Who knows where things will go, but geesus, the signs are not good at all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Does this have anything to do with the game designers list anymore?
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 04, 2020, 02:29:56 AM
Because THEY don't have any actual control over what games I play, much less over whether I live. If THEY make something I think looks like it might be fun, I'll give it a try. If somebody else makes a case that I should buy their game on shared political views, I'll likewise laugh at them too and judge their product solely on its own merits.
The problem is, given how they want people removed from DTRPG, etc. for wrongthink, they really
WANT to exercise control over what you get to play. That is why they bother me...
I may not like PF2 or some of Paizo's staff and I may not like Blue Rose or the GR staff, but I certainly am not narcissistic/arrogant enough to believe that
I should have a say in whether other people get to play those games.
I blame both Twitter and Facebook and similar platforms. As outside of their sheltered echo chamber style enclaves it's not going to be the way they want it too. Sure TBP can ban posters all they like with the sycophant butt kisser posters applauding the gesture. They sure as hell won't be going into people homes and games and telling them what to do. Not without a fight or be grabbed and tossed out on their asses. Most will be shown the door. The majority of us don't have time for children in adult bodies and possibly mentally disturbed at our tables. I have been lucky so far yet if one of the woke SJWs tries any shit either in my home during a game out the door he goes. Or I call the police and have him removed.
I can ignore the politics of a Woke SJW rpg publisher and the majority of the writers on that list I have no interest in anyway.
Quote from: moonsweeper on November 04, 2020, 09:27:13 PM
The problem is, given how they want people removed from DTRPG, etc. for wrongthink, they really WANT to exercise control over what you get to play. That is why they bother me...
I may not like PF2 or some of Paizo's staff and I may not like Blue Rose or the GR staff, but I certainly am not narcissistic/arrogant enough to believe that I should have a say in whether other people get to play those games.
Agreed and seconded.
Which is why I am done trying to find any common ground with Woke SJWs. If I am the enemy simply for not swallowing the kool-aid. Or indulging in their desire for carefully constructed personal narratives why bother. Fuck them and let the stew in their hate.
I stopped giving money to commie RPG designers a long time ago.
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 04, 2020, 06:31:21 PM
Now they're cheering open Electoral Fraud, and are going to be responsible for civil war.
There won't be anything civil about it.
Quote from: SHARK on November 04, 2020, 09:15:18 PM
Greetings!
Raise taxes more, fuck the economy with more unemployment and poverty, lock down more of society, enforcing more fucking masks, persecute Christians gathering in churches, charge and arrest more citizens defending themselves, cheer on more BLM and ANTIFA riots, keep peddling more godless Communism in schools, and start confiscating people's firearms.
All this BS is stuff the fucking Liberals under Biden and Harris love. Bernie, AOC and the fucking "squad" love this shit.
To normal, conservative, traditional-minded Americans, all of that is kindling being soaked in gasoline. All it takes is a single lit match, for a firestorm to be unleashed.
Who knows where or when such a match will be dropped into the gasoline? This isn't a good situation for America to be in, and anyone that thinks everything is just gonna go on like normal eating cupcakes and playing video games is naïve. But the fucking Marxists don't care. They want America to be Communist slaves, or burn. Who knows where things will go, but geesus, the signs are not good at all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Take a chill pill.
Quote from: Reckall on November 07, 2020, 10:33:33 AM
Quote from: SHARK on November 04, 2020, 09:15:18 PM
Greetings!
Raise taxes more, fuck the economy with more unemployment and poverty, lock down more of society, enforcing more fucking masks, persecute Christians gathering in churches, charge and arrest more citizens defending themselves, cheer on more BLM and ANTIFA riots, keep peddling more godless Communism in schools, and start confiscating people's firearms.
All this BS is stuff the fucking Liberals under Biden and Harris love. Bernie, AOC and the fucking "squad" love this shit.
To normal, conservative, traditional-minded Americans, all of that is kindling being soaked in gasoline. All it takes is a single lit match, for a firestorm to be unleashed.
Who knows where or when such a match will be dropped into the gasoline? This isn't a good situation for America to be in, and anyone that thinks everything is just gonna go on like normal eating cupcakes and playing video games is naïve. But the fucking Marxists don't care. They want America to be Communist slaves, or burn. Who knows where things will go, but geesus, the signs are not good at all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Take a chill pill.
He's just really into roleplaying and doing "what his character would do" to the crazy level.
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 07, 2020, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: Reckall on November 07, 2020, 10:33:33 AM
Quote from: SHARK on November 04, 2020, 09:15:18 PM
Greetings!
Raise taxes more, fuck the economy with more unemployment and poverty, lock down more of society, enforcing more fucking masks, persecute Christians gathering in churches, charge and arrest more citizens defending themselves, cheer on more BLM and ANTIFA riots, keep peddling more godless Communism in schools, and start confiscating people's firearms.
All this BS is stuff the fucking Liberals under Biden and Harris love. Bernie, AOC and the fucking "squad" love this shit.
To normal, conservative, traditional-minded Americans, all of that is kindling being soaked in gasoline. All it takes is a single lit match, for a firestorm to be unleashed.
Who knows where or when such a match will be dropped into the gasoline? This isn't a good situation for America to be in, and anyone that thinks everything is just gonna go on like normal eating cupcakes and playing video games is naïve. But the fucking Marxists don't care. They want America to be Communist slaves, or burn. Who knows where things will go, but geesus, the signs are not good at all.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Take a chill pill.
He's just really into roleplaying and doing "what his character would do" to the crazy level.
If what I just saw on CNN is true, I would suggest him to renounce method acting ;)
Quote from: Reckall on November 07, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
If what I just saw on CNN is true, I would suggest him to renounce method acting ;)
Probably get more accurate results from your tea leaves.
Quote from: Shasarak on November 07, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
Quote from: Reckall on November 07, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
If what I just saw on CNN is true, I would suggest him to renounce method acting ;)
Probably get more accurate results from your tea leaves.
I think that, if anything, this result should curb the whole SJW aberration across the board. I always had the impression that, sure, you can always find nutjobs, but also that Trump being elected caused a "need to be woke!" reaction from Hollywood first and from the entertainment industry in a general sense.
After a lot of pains and heartburns suffered by this people, some YouTubers I like to follow coined the phrase "Get woke, go broke!" - something underlined by the spectacular failures of the new Star Wars Trilogy ("The Force is Female"? For real? BTW, The Last Jedi by Ruin Jonson can be considered one of the most brand-damaging movies in the history of cinema), Terminator: Woke Fate (of course), Charle's Angels and a score of movies and shows imposing "diverse, female centric" storylines (a trend actually started by Ghostbusters 2016, which, even if it came out before Trump, showed very well why jumping on the trend was a bad idea).
And of course if you pointed out what a sad failure everything was you were "toxic masculinity". Wot?! Dudes, we got Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Buffy, the female leads in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon... Heck,
Resident Evil, think what you want about it, is the most successful horror franchise in history - mostly because it was always a fun romp with no pretenses to be otherwise. Truth is: your movie/show/game sucks so hard that not even the SJW people cheerleading for it are forking the money.
Then Joker comes out, proves that you
can do honest social commentary via pop culture icons, and the movie is obliterated by the MSM - only for the latter to discover that the Joke was on them. Now, I'm not a Joker cheerleader for a variety of reasons, but I can recognise how the filmmakers were able to capture the spirit of the times before the American streets exploded.
But now? Come January Trump will be happily shipped away to anyone relief (including many people from his own party). Creeps like Weinstein and Spacey and others are on trial. Many moderately normal people will look around and see that, in the meanwhile, some big, real problems have crept in: a pandemic, a great recession, record unemployment... Without the creeps engine running to produce the needed steam, only the most fanatical SJW will remain (in all fairness, we have seen in this very thread how burned outs inhabit both sides of the aisle).
Two weeks ago, Disney (of all entertainment companies!) came out and explicitly forbade his employees - effect immediate - to attack the paying public. The days of [whine]"The toxic masculinity is to blame!"[/whine] are over. Others will follow.
SJW will not disappear. Nothing ever disappear. People who believe that the Earth is Flat are still with us. But the biggest anti-SJW megaphone of them all has been torpedoed. The hard nucleus will remain, those who followed the fad will find something else to do.
So, yes, I do believe that the US election result will be beneficial for the hobby. Time will tell.