That last bullet point regarding cliches reads like a cryptic plea for a return to 4th Edition D&D where fighters played the same as wizards. I thought we'd keep 5E around for a while longer, but it sure looks like 6E is on its way, and it's likely going to suck big time. "Don't worry guys, sure 6E looks a lot like 4E, but this time we'll do it right!"

Quote from: wmarshal on May 20, 2021, 04:28:05 PM
That last bullet point regarding cliches reads like a cryptic plea for a return to 4th Edition D&D where fighters played the same as wizards. I thought we'd keep 5E around for a while longer, but it sure looks like 6E is on its way, and it's likely going to suck big time. "Don't worry guys, sure 6E looks a lot like 4E, but this time we'll do it right!"

   I think that's a defense of the removal of racial penalties and a pushback against any appeals to historical flavor, genre, etc. that might be opposed to 'proper' diversity & inclusivity. I expect 6E is on the way, but it's going to be 5E+Tasha's with more equality and diabolism.

Quote from: Omega on May 19, 2021, 10:36:11 PMScalpers are also probably again buying it in droves looking to make a profit which is over-inflating  the numbers. I knew one person who pre-ordered 10 copies of Tasha so they could sell it at 2x the price.

The book is widely available at a discount so I doubt anyone will be making money scalping this book. Amazon is discounting it by 40% which is $5 to $10 cheaper than other gaming discounters like CoolStuff. That explains why Amazon got the lion's share of the book's sales leading to it reaching the #4 bestseller spot (it's already down to #6 now though)

"Don't use cliche accents."

Good heavens, no.

It is extremely important that no fun be had. Roleplaying games should be a joyless, somber experience.

"Magical settings bear no resemblance to real-world history."

Waaaaait wait wait wait just a damn second...

Quote from: Thornhammer on May 20, 2021, 05:40:05 PM
"Don't use cliche accents."

Good heavens, no.

It is extremely important that no fun be had. Roleplaying games should be a joyless, somber experience.

This gets at the heart of the problem for me. There is a joylessness to all this that is incredibly repressive.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 20, 2021, 10:01:54 AM
I think we have a new contender for the subject line ...

You know what really makes the top of my head smack into the ceiling on a gush of superheated steam?  The end of the second sentence, which is partially covered but not quite enough that it can't be made out: "If your favourite horror story features outdated tropes, your fondness doesn't redeem {them}."

There ya have it, ladies an' germs: a trope that somebody finds offensive or outdated isn't just a possible occasion of tactlessness within the group, it's an actual sin requiring redemption. Which, it occurs to me, I think your average devout Christian might have reason to object to as a piece of cultural appropriation, given that the whole concept of redemption-for-sin is kinda our gag to begin with, and the notion of applying it to describe what people find insulting (and mostly vicariously rather than personally, to boot) in a game is really kinda offensive, to me at least.

When did BadWrongFun become orthodoxy again?

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on May 20, 2021, 06:35:40 PM
There ya have it, ladies an' germs: a trope that somebody finds offensive or outdated isn't just a possible occasion of tactlessness within the group, it's an actual sin requiring redemption. Which, it occurs to me, I think your average devout Christian might have reason to object to as a piece of cultural appropriation, given that the whole concept of redemption-for-sin is kinda our gag to begin with,

   They've been appropriating our culture and erasing us for over twenty years, since they made a big deal over bringing devils back on one hand and removing the few token Christians TSR included on the other. 

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When did BadWrongFun become orthodoxy again?

   The seeds have been planted long ago, are now sprouting, and will probably come to fruition with the inevitable 6E.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on May 20, 2021, 04:50:06 PMThe book is widely available at a discount so I doubt anyone will be making money scalping this book. Amazon is discounting it by 40% which is $5 to $10 cheaper than other gaming discounters like CoolStuff. That explains why Amazon got the lion's share of the book's sales leading to it reaching the #4 bestseller spot (it's already down to #6 now though)

They wait for the discount to end and then try to cash in. Thats what happened with Tasha. I saw prices a day after the discount ended leaping as high as 3 times the price. I suspect some found out the hard way that this doesnt really work and at best broke even. Hopefully enough lost money that we will see an end to this. But I know better. Its not.

Van Richten's guide came in to my FLGS yesterday.  I'm a big Ravenloft fan, have been since I6 in my youth.  I don't have a complete collection but I buy most Ravenloft things because I love gothic horror and the genre.

I sat this one out. 

The previews and articles I'd read had increasingly turned my stomach, and Pundit's video was the nail in the coffin for me.  "Don't buy games from people who despise you" makes too damn much sense.

Maybe someday Ravenloft will rise from the proverbial grave for me, but for now, I'll just adopt older materials to 5e rules if I want to run it.

Quote from: Brigman on May 21, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
Van Richten's guide came in to my FLGS yesterday.  I'm a big Ravenloft fan, have been since I6 in my youth.  I don't have a complete collection but I buy most Ravenloft things because I love gothic horror and the genre.

I sat this one out. 

The previews and articles I'd read had increasingly turned my stomach, and Pundit's video was the nail in the coffin for me.  "Don't buy games from people who despise you" makes too damn much sense.

Maybe someday Ravenloft will rise from the proverbial grave for me, but for now, I'll just adopt older materials to 5e rules if I want to run it.

Greetings!

Excellent point, Brigman! As I have mentioned earlier, Ravenloft was never a campaign that was my favourite, as I have run my own World of Thandor for many years just fine. However, OG Ravenloft did have many excellent and worthwhile features and attributes--which is of course what inspired me to spend money and buy *many* of the OG Ravenloft books, modules, and supplements. I have the main books, the vampire guides, the Lich guides, werewolves and everything.

I can, and *have* added many OG Ravenloft elements and concepts to various areas of my own campaign. When it comes to running a 5E campaign, why would anyone need anything new for Ravenloft? Especially so when in thinking about it, many of the supplements for OG Ravenloft are gorgeous, richly-detailed--even lush--with additions, advice, style, adventure hooks, npc's, monsters, locations, and more. It seems to me that OG Ravenloft is very thorough and comprehensive--what could 5E Nu-Ravenloft actually do better than OG Ravenloft? It seems easy enough to put together some notes on various creatures 5E mechanical statistics and abilities, and there you go! That is certainly what I would do, and what I am inclined to do. It seems so sad how WOTC has just fucking destroyed Ravenloft. Absolutely disgusting and pathetic!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Brigman on May 21, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
Van Richten's guide came in to my FLGS yesterday.  I'm a big Ravenloft fan, have been since I6 in my youth.  I don't have a complete collection but I buy most Ravenloft things because I love gothic horror and the genre.

I sat this one out. 

The previews and articles I'd read had increasingly turned my stomach, and Pundit's video was the nail in the coffin for me.  "Don't buy games from people who despise you" makes too damn much sense.

Maybe someday Ravenloft will rise from the proverbial grave for me, but for now, I'll just adopt older materials to 5e rules if I want to run it.

The Masque of the Red Death supplement for 5e on DM's Guild was actually quite good, I thought.

Shark, what OG Ravenloft supplements would you most recommend?

Dropbear, thanks for the head's up.  I hadn't looked at it; I will.

Quote from: Dropbear on May 21, 2021, 04:11:04 PMThe Masque of the Red Death supplement for 5e on DM's Guild was actually quite good, I thought.

Is that the Players' Guide? -> https://www.dmsguild.com/product/295377/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-Players-Guide
I might pick that one up while there's a Sale.

Edit: Thanks!

Quote from: Godfather Punk on May 22, 2021, 10:16:33 AM

Quote from: Dropbear on May 21, 2021, 04:11:04 PMThe Masque of the Red Death supplement for 5e on DM's Guild was actually quite good, I thought.

Is that the Players' Guide? -> https://www.dmsguild.com/product/295377/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-Players-Guide
I might pick that one up while there's a Sale.

Yes, that's it.

Quote from: Brigman on May 21, 2021, 09:22:56 PM
Shark, what OG Ravenloft supplements would you most recommend?

Dropbear, thanks for the head's up.  I hadn't looked at it; I will.

Greetings!

Hi Brigman! Yes, well, in regards to OG Ravenloft, the Black Box, as well as any of the "Van Richten's Guidebooks." I think I have most of them; Vampires, Liches, Mummies, Werewolves. I think there were like half a dozen of them. To be more specific, I will look for them in my collection and update here. I would think, however, pretty much any and all supplements for Ravenloft could be useful and inspiring.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK