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Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: RPGPundit on October 17, 2019, 05:18:11 PM
I share my thoughts about a recent BBC one-minute video featuring a portly feminist claiming that "D&D isn't for beardos in basements" and simultaneously damning the lack of "diversity" and "inclusion" in our hobby.

Also, I show you how I make Turkish Coffee.


[video=youtube_share;jZ4hXkfRsFk]https://youtu.be/jZ4hXkfRsFk[/youtube]
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: tenbones on October 17, 2019, 05:20:42 PM
Even your coffee is OSR. Bravo for consistency. Your video is spot on.

Edit: Your brewing method is solid. The *only* thing I'd suggest is a couple of stirs for agitation. It helps with the emulsion of the grinds. Hey what do you use for a grinder? Hand-grinder?
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Mordred Pendragon on October 17, 2019, 05:31:58 PM
Ugh, that video of the whiny SJW made me want to vomit. I expect no less from the British Broadcasting Channel

The only kind of BBC I have any interest in is the kind that is used to fuck white girls with big butts in porn videos! :D:p
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: nope on October 17, 2019, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1110342Ugh, that video of the whiny SJW made me want to vomit. I expect no less from the British Broadcasting Channel

The only kind of BBC I have any interest in is the kind that is used to fuck white girls with big butts in porn videos! :D:p

LMAO. No no, don't hold back Doc, tell us what you really think. :p
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: RandyB on October 17, 2019, 06:06:17 PM
"The BBC Lies."

In other news, water is wet.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Mordred Pendragon on October 17, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
Quote from: Antiquation!;1110350LMAO. No no, don't hold back Doc, tell us what you really think. :p

Hey man, I'm a top! What use would I have with a BBC?

Unless I'm paying the bulls to cuck the executives at the British Broadcasting Channel and the left-wing members of the British Pariliament and filming the action to sell to the highest bidder...and also send the footage to WikiLeaks and Pornhub for free:D

You thought Yewtree was a scandal? This is going to be like fuckin' JFK for the British establishment!

I will only destroy the footage under the condition that Parliament legalizes civilian ownership of guns and blades and also makes freedom of speech the law of the land.

I might also hire a few bulls for the closet cases in Parliament and the Anglican Church.

Quick, does anybody have the contact info for Milo Yiannopolous? If anyone knows of well-hung black men who want to trigger and own the leftists, it'd be him.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Shasarak on October 17, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
My group has only 1.5 beards between us, is only 40% white and no one has a basement but otherwise yes exactly we are beardos gatekeeping so that fat white women that we have never met can not play DnD.  o_O
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Razor 007 on October 18, 2019, 12:35:48 AM
I watched the new video by Pundit.

Coffee is important to me as well.  I like it strong, and fresh.  Cream is good sometimes.  Sugar isn't really necessary, but I like it that way too.

Modern liberal extremist thinking is a disease.  It is ruining RPGs, to an extent.

By the way, this makes 1,000 posts in 13 months on theRPGsite.  It's been fun.

Oh, and FUTANKA!!!
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: S'mon on October 18, 2019, 03:06:44 AM
"It's not just for nerds" says the fat SJW nerd, nerdier looking than 80% of my players. :D
I guess this is the flip side of all the cool hipsters claiming to be nerds now? :cool:
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Melan on October 18, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
That's pretty good coffee, and about the right way the Bosnians do it. I am more of an espresso drinker, but every so often, I get an insatiable craving for Turkish, so I have two of these pots at home (one more for decoration than actual use). It works well with darker roasts (the best when it is almost oily), while something like the AeroPress is more for light beans.

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...oh, the BBC woman! That video barely qualifies as an argument, but it does describe a certain mindset, which proposes driving the existing gamers out of the hobby so it can be inherited by the pure and sufficiently diverse. Goddamn fucking colonists, the entire lot of them. Those who have a good memory will recall that this meme was already in vogue around 2012 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?23244-Gaming-is-actually-pretty-okay)... or was that 2006 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?3441-Gamer-horror-stories-and-general-disgust-I%92ve-got-nothing)? Nah, it was prophesised by none else but Jeff Freeman (PBUH) in 1997 (https://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/acksep97.html)! A lot of this rot started with the groups around White Wolf, and their contempt against the rest of the hobby. It just got a very good megaphone, and an internet army.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Anselyn on October 19, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
I hope we're adult enough to understand that the BBC giving someone 60 seconds to air a view isn't the same as the BBC believing or supporting this point.  I am capable of not thinking that Pundit supports every view he gives a platform to here.

Quote from: Melan;1110602...oh, the BBC woman! That video barely qualifies as an argument, but it does describe a certain mindset, which proposes driving the existing gamers out of the hobby so it can be inherited by the pure and sufficiently diverse. Goddamn fucking colonists, the entire lot of them. Those who have a good memory will recall that this meme was already in vogue around 2012 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?23244-Gaming-is-actually-pretty-okay)... or was that 2006 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?3441-Gamer-horror-stories-and-general-disgust-I%92ve-got-nothing)? Nah, it was prophesised by none else but Jeff Freeman (PBUH) in 1997 (https://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/columns/acksep97.html)! A lot of this rot started with the groups around White Wolf, and their contempt against the rest of the hobby. It just got a very good megaphone, and an internet army.

I went to look at the original thread on Twitter and found the following tweet which I think nailed it and extends your point, #Melan. There also needs to be some self-justification of why it's now OK to be a gamer.

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Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Spike on October 23, 2019, 11:29:49 AM
yanno? I would have watched the video for the turkish coffee portion, but I have zero interest in the pundit's take on a shit BBC viddy.  I used to make it myself, but I was so agonizingly slow (20 minutes for a tiny thimble full of delicious coffee) that I gave up on it except for those special occasions... maybe I was doing it wrong?

Now I want to go look up youtube videos on turkish coffee.

... and NOW I want to head back to Seattle to that excellent turkish restaraunt on the west side (Ephesus, if you're curious), for some kebabs and, yes, coffee.  Oh well, maybe around Christmas...

Humblebrag: I had turkish coffee in turkey once.  I'd forgotten that, but now I feel so much more awesome than everyone else because of it.  

... And NOW I want to go visit Turkey for reals. And probably drink coffee while I'm there.

Damn, this OP is a spider hole of madness.  Gotta get out while the getting is good...

There is no place like home, there is no place like home, there is no place li
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: fixable on October 25, 2019, 02:36:14 AM
Quote from: Anselyn;1110761I hope we're adult enough to understand that the BBC giving someone 60 seconds to air a view isn't the same as the BBC believing or supporting this point.  I am capable of not thinking that Pundit supports every view he gives a platform to here.



I went to look at the original thread on Twitter and found the following tweet which I think nailed it and extends your point, #Melan. There also needs to be some self-justification of why it's now OK to be a gamer.

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The other side of the coin is that maybe 10+ years ago, people voluntarily equated D&D with 'beardos' as a derogatory comment on those who played this 'nerdy' game. Now that the game has gained popularity, it is cool to play it so long as it is no longer for those who started with it from the beginning.

Its like if you are brand new to the game you are accepted, but if you were a part of the game from the beginning you have to prove your acceptability... like anyone who has played the game for more than a year has to prove their worth to be a part of the current D&D culture. The culture of the game is purposefully shedding its roots without really understanding them. There is a lot of misinformation out there about how the game was played.

I see a lot of comments on forums about the deficiencies of old school D&D. My main thought is that these are mostly posts by people playing old school D&D as pre-teens and all that implies... and how that affects their opinions on the game. I'll state for a fact that my experience with Basic D&D and AD&D as a 10 year old, does not match my understanding of the rules as I have read them as an adult.

People who are my age played AD&D and B/X as kids with all the childnessish that goes along with being kids at the time and then say that those games are crap based on that experience.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: RPGPundit on October 26, 2019, 05:33:08 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1110337Even your coffee is OSR. Bravo for consistency. Your video is spot on.

Edit: Your brewing method is solid. The *only* thing I'd suggest is a couple of stirs for agitation. It helps with the emulsion of the grinds. Hey what do you use for a grinder? Hand-grinder?

No, not with this coffee. Turkish is so fine that I couldn't find a grinder here able to do it, so I buy this coffee pre-ground.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: RPGPundit on October 26, 2019, 05:34:15 AM
Quote from: Razor 007;1110448By the way, this makes 1,000 posts in 13 months on theRPGsite.  It's been fun.

Congrats!
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: RPGPundit on October 26, 2019, 05:36:13 AM
Quote from: Anselyn;1110761I hope we're adult enough to understand that the BBC giving someone 60 seconds to air a view isn't the same as the BBC believing or supporting this point.  I am capable of not thinking that Pundit supports every view he gives a platform to here.

The BBC isn't a message board. They went to time and expsense to air this particular view, which I'm sure fits their overall agenda. I don't think they particular care about RPGs at all, they just care about that larger agenda.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: Jaeger on October 26, 2019, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: fixable;1111699...
I see a lot of comments on forums about the deficiencies of old school D&D. My main thought is that these are mostly posts by people playing old school D&D as pre-teens and all that implies... and how that affects their opinions on the game. I'll state for a fact that my experience with Basic D&D and AD&D as a 10 year old, does not match my understanding of the rules as I have read them as an adult.

People who are my age played AD&D and B/X as kids with all the childnessish that goes along with being kids at the time and then say that those games are crap based on that experience.

Fucking THIS.

As I am playing a new game of 5e, I decided to buy some of the original B/X sets to see if they were how I remembered them when I was a kid...

BIG difference in understanding what the rules were trying to do. The first iterations of the game I think assumed a bit of a wargaming background.

But by the errol otus cover basic/expert sets, those were pretty much complete stand alone games. And very much playable.

IMHO reading it again after a few decades; AD&D1e was a hot mess. It was a success because if its flavor, in spite of its rules. It was the B/X #1 supplement for cool stuff though...

I think a 6e D&D could do far worse than to base what it does more on the b/x style of gaming that at least in my circles was far more prevalent as a kid than a bunch of 13 year old kids sitting down and trying to run an AD&D1e game rules as written.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: jeff37923 on October 27, 2019, 08:02:20 AM
I didn't want to comment until I saw the offending video by the BBC (You can watch it here, it is short. (https://twitter.com/bbcthree/status/1181888699480641539?lang=en)). Honestly Pundit, while I agree that tabletop gaming has always been welcoming and has only recently been divided upon ideological lines by social justice wonks, the main speaker is kind of pathetic in that video. I think that you may be punching far under your weight class with this one.
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: fixable on October 30, 2019, 02:27:26 AM
Quote from: Jaeger;1111936Fucking THIS.

As I am playing a new game of 5e, I decided to buy some of the original B/X sets to see if they were how I remembered them when I was a kid...

BIG difference in understanding what the rules were trying to do. The first iterations of the game I think assumed a bit of a wargaming background.

But by the errol otus cover basic/expert sets, those were pretty much complete stand alone games. And very much playable.

IMHO reading it again after a few decades; AD&D1e was a hot mess. It was a success because if its flavor, in spite of its rules. It was the B/X #1 supplement for cool stuff though...

I think a 6e D&D could do far worse than to base what it does more on the b/x style of gaming that at least in my circles was far more prevalent as a kid than a bunch of 13 year old kids sitting down and trying to run an AD&D1e game rules as written.

Thanks I appreciate your comment.

I honestly agree with your idea for 6E. Honestly, there are plenty of games that provide the heavy build style play. I'd like the next edition of D&D to even further break down the barriers to playing the game. We should be making the game easier and more accessible for everyone. I think 5E is close, maybe it can be better. The way to go is provide easy simple entry along with later more rewarding choices for experienced players.

BUT the first effort should always be simple, easy, get people into the game!
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: fixable on October 30, 2019, 02:29:13 AM
I love this woman's youtube video promoting D&D. An amazing and passionate and open ended petition as to why everyone should play D&D.

https://youtu.be/7ocDQGSfMYM
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: S'mon on October 30, 2019, 04:47:50 AM
Quote from: fixable;1112445I love this woman's youtube video promoting D&D. An amazing and passionate and open ended petition as to why everyone should play D&D.

https://youtu.be/7ocDQGSfMYM

That's great! I just shared it all over Facebook, including to my general feed of non-D&Der friends! :eek: :cool:
Title: The BBC Lie
Post by: RPGPundit on October 31, 2019, 06:15:10 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;1112022I didn't want to comment until I saw the offending video by the BBC (You can watch it here, it is short. (https://twitter.com/bbcthree/status/1181888699480641539?lang=en)). Honestly Pundit, while I agree that tabletop gaming has always been welcoming and has only recently been divided upon ideological lines by social justice wonks, the main speaker is kind of pathetic in that video. I think that you may be punching far under your weight class with this one.

Maybe so, but I was mainly responding to the huge reactions that the video had on social media.