Two of my 14 year old nephews got into D&D completely independent of any efforts on my part.  I see kids coming into my store for D&D quite often.  I think we're actually set to grow.  There's even a halfway decent edition of D&D right now which hasn't happened since the early eighties.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;972285I'm gonna go a different way ...



It's gonna all get dumped at Goodwill, if you're lucky, just like everything else you own, if you're lucky and it doesn't go in a dumpster. Material objects don't mean the same thing to your family that they do to you.

Your legacy is not what you own. Instead of forming lasting relationships you are drinking alone.
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/187

Quote from: jeff37923;972308Was there a salient point in there, somewhere?

Quote from: Dumarest;972723Nope.

OP is worried about material things. OP should care less about material things (drinking alone) and more about making connections to people, the point of the comic.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;972775OP is worried about material things. OP should care less about material things (drinking alone) and more about making connections to people, the point of the comic.

Actually OP should worry about whatever he wants to worry about and adolescent dalai lamas should refrain from lecturing him about the correct path to enlightenment when they know nothing about his life. :rolleyes:

Quote from: bryce0lynch;972285I'm gonna go a different way ...



It's gonna all get dumped at Goodwill, if you're lucky, just like everything else you own, if you're lucky and it doesn't go in a dumpster. Material objects don't mean the same thing to your family that they do to you.

Your legacy is not what you own. Instead of forming lasting relationships you are drinking alone.
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/187

Quote from: jeff37923;972308Was there a salient point in there, somewhere?

Quote from: Dumarest;972723Nope.

Quote from: Dumarest;972808Actually OP should worry about whatever he wants to worry about and adolescent dalai lamas should refrain from lecturing him about the correct path to enlightenment when they know nothing about his life. :rolleyes:

If OP doesn't want opinions then OP shouldn't make a post on a public forum asking for opinions. At least OP can, however, grasp the basic meaning of internet forums, something that cannot be said for 17th century french fuckwits.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;972821If OP doesn't want opinions then OP shouldn't make a post on a public forum asking for opinions. At least OP can, however, grasp the basic meaning of internet forums, something that cannot be said for 17th century french fuckwits.

So essentially you have no rebuttal and have had to resort to that? Pretty much what I expected from a preaching moron.  Look up the words you don't understand. Like "salient" and "point."

OP shall speak of himself in the Third Person and thank bryce0lynch for demonstrating that the "too cool for school" attitude is alive and well and just as valueless as it has always been.

Quote from: jeff37923;972828OP shall speak of himself in the Third Person and thank bryce0lynch for demonstrating that the "too cool for school" attitude is alive and well and just as valueless as it has always been.

So sayeth the OP, so sayeth the flock.

It's hard for me to judge the situation in North America these days. But I can tell you that there's a huge youth interest in gaming here in Uruguay (and I'm fairly certain in the rest of south america).  

I'm often invited as a guest to local mini-cons, and I find myself as the oldest person in a room surrounded by 75 under-21 year olds.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;972106You're confusing your own immediate social circle with the wider population. We tend to hang out with people of our own age, ethnic background, and socioeconomic status. It'd be like me thinking every woman can deadlift 100kg because that's what they do in my garage gym, even the 69yo.

Each week I go to a store with open game tables, lots of groups have people in their early 20s. There are thriving clubs at our local universities, and they have few visitors over 30yo. University years were always the biggest gaming years for people.

I'll take your game books when you kick it, though.

Ditto.

For those interested, the first batch of books to give away has been listed on the Facebook Traveller-RPG Group.

I work/volunteer with kids (occasionally) and have some in the family. Although they have access to Electronic Gaming, they absolutely love Fighting Fantasy Style Gamebooks and AD&D. One 11 year old relation of mine has started writing Monster stats, Rune Alphabets and the likes. Two younger ones are happily doodling dungeons when the bug bites them.

To me it's a proven fact that RPGs have an appeal of their own that cannot yet be replicated by other entertainment forms.

Also, it's a two-part process: they got me into Yugi-Oh! which I must say, I absolutely looked down upon in the 90ies. I played my share of TCGs and thought I'd never go back. But the sheer playfulness of the Yugi-Oh universe has been tremendous fun.

In the end, the old Hip Hop adage holds: Each one, teach one!

I've tried to teach my step daughters gaming in 50 Fathoms Savage Worlds. Summer has played more than Autumn but she also owns a small Yu Gi Oh! card collection so more of a predilection to gaming to begin with for her.

The big problem is the entertainment competition now is even more fierce than ever. Technology has added video games, internet, YouTube!, and streaming. You'd be surprised but I'd say well over half of the free time my step daughters are spending is on YouTube! Summer is addicted to Markiplier and Autumn JakePaul. The cable TV goes unused mostly, except when I want to watch sports or Autumn occasionally watches the Disney channel. So YouTube! has replaced the Cable TV that dominated my youth when it comes to kids TV watching. Autumn spends a lot of the rest of her free time on the Xbox 360 with Kinect and Summer with Netflix anime. I spend my free time on AmazonPrime/Netflix/PC/PS3/PS4 mostly. So board games, card games, and tabletop games have big competition from the digital devices. The board games rarely get played except for camping, a family game night, or on holidays for example despite a four level storage shelf of them. I'm on a streak, five Fridays in a row of 50 Fathoms Savage Worlds gaming. Summer only plays Yu Gi Oh! when her friends that have decks come over. Even looking over my own family life, the % is easily only 10% for these kinds of experiences versus digital ones while at home.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;972106You're confusing your own immediate social circle with the wider population. We tend to hang out with people of our own age, ethnic background, and socioeconomic status. It'd be like me thinking every woman can deadlift 100kg because that's what they do in my garage gym, even the 69yo.

Each week I go to a store with open game tables, lots of groups have people in their early 20s. There are thriving clubs at our local universities, and they have few visitors over 30yo. University years were always the biggest gaming years for people.

I'll take your game books when you kick it, though.

I think this is most of it. I live in a town of around 100,000 people, give or take. We had one gaming shop for decades. Within the past few years, two brand new ones opened up. In the old game store, it was the same old people playing the same old games. In the new stores I have seen (through my son, 17 and nephew 21) this younger crowd go from card games, to board games and now branching into tabletop RPGs. At the same time, the kids of my regular gaming group now play with us - ages 9-17. My son will go off to college and be a gamer, I've no doubt.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;972106You're confusing your own immediate social circle with the wider population. [...]

Each week I go to a store with open game tables, lots of groups have people in their early 20s.

Normally we go to GoodGames (single floor, run-down, but free) in the Melbourne CBD, this week we arrived to find it being renovated, so we tried out Games Lab (three floor, new and clean, but $10 a table).

It has a lower floor with a bar, which had some gaming but seemed to be mostly social, a middle floor with game tables, most of which were card games, and a top floor with more game tables, it was about 2/3 rpgs, 1/6 card games and 1/6 board games. The vacant tables you see were filled over the course of the night. The stairs had a "please don't run or jump on the stairs" sign, I don't think that was addressed at us old blokes.

At least half the people were in their 20s, with our game table of 40+yo guys being, so far as I could see, the oldest ones there.

Again, don't confuse your immediate social circle with the hobby as a whole.

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Yep, hadn't noticed here. In my gaming group there are two elders, myself and one other, three other of our D&D group are in their 20's and the youngest is a teenager in high school.

Did notice a lot of Greybeards at GaryCon, but then again going to GaryCon is like visiting High Hrothgar.