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Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on July 10, 2022, 12:49:24 PM
I don't think this is really a woke decision per se... This is about being pro or anti-abortion and not necessarily about the other ridiculous woke-scold nonsense that certain game companies shove down your throat. Of course, I'm pro-abortion but I'm certainly and virulently against uber political correctness.

But what if a game company came out and made a statement saying that they were delighted with the Roe V Wade thing being overturned. Would they not be entitled to make such a statement? Even though I might not agree at all with their sentiments.

I just don't believe you are automatically 'uber woke' if you're against abortion. So as far as I'm concerned I'm happy to still buy their stuff.

Did you read the statement? The guy went on about being a privileged straight white male, then started veering off into wild speculation about a bunch of other unrelated stuff, like transgender people losing access to treatment, gay marriage being repealed, etc. It goes well beyond simple support for abortion.

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Yes, once again a 'wokist' slams the right by using WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF RIGHT WING LEADERS MOUTHS to accuse the right of wanting to do extremist things.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clarence-thomas-supreme-court-reconsider-contraception-gay-marriage-rulings

God is there no limit to their vileness?!?!

There is no limit.

Its vileness all the way down until you are donating to Lilith to kill babies.

Well maybe if the Christian god didn't murder 100 of lilith?s children a day she wouldn't kill his children's babies.

Quote from: rytrasmi on July 11, 2022, 01:39:11 PM

Quote from: Pat on July 11, 2022, 11:20:55 AM
Jackson's rant definitely seems exclusionary.

Is it really? Sure it's highly political, but does he say "don't buy my games if you believe X" or "I don't want so-and-so as customers"?

The List suffers from unclear standards. It seemed to be heading in the direction of consumer awareness (don't buy games from people who hate you), but now it seems to be interpreted as red = woke, green = good.

He doesn't go that far, no. But he does say he's threatened (bold his) by the Supreme Court, talks about the "theofascists" in power, and implies that applies to anyone who supports Donald Trump and/or Fox News. If you see the mainstream political opposition as a direct threat and literal Nazis, how can you game with them? You can't just agree to disagree and get on with elfgames with that kind of extremist, absolutist, and polarizing rhetoric.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on July 11, 2022, 07:15:54 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on July 10, 2022, 10:46:23 AMBut this is where he decides to focus energy and resources from his company, so it IS relevant.

Not to us. Unlike Steve Jackson, most of us are still interested in roleplaying games.

Who's "us"?

And this is extremely relevant, because giving money to people is making a moral decision nowadays. I am willing to give money to people with completely different beliefs from myself, but I do have a threshold, a limit.

I will pay money to evil men in order to acquire food to survive. We all do this when we give money to giant mega-corporations, or put our money in one of the giant banking cartels. But tabletop rpgs are not food.....and thus, not necessary for survival. They're games, dude.

The owner of a gaming company demonstrated extreme self-righteousness about perpetuating BABY MURDER, and then proceeded to donate to a fund named after a DEMON KNOWN FOR MURDERING BABIES.

Well, guess what? Fuck that shit. That is depraved beyond belief, and I will not give him my money.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on July 11, 2022, 10:32:37 AM
At this point its just easier for me to believe that SJG has been "weekend at bernies-ed" and he's just not in control any more, and its some  younger people running the show with him as a sock puppet.

I got the game books I wanted from SJG back in the day, I don't think anything new will be coming out from them that I will be interested in the future,  if they ever do then I might question actually buying it, but it doesn't even seem likely they'll make something I want in the future, oh well.

This would not surprise me in the least. I've been seeing way too many instances lately of politicians, actors, and owners of businesses being blackmailed, threatened, or bribed into publicly endorsing destructively evil ideologies. I've wondered if Jackson is secretly receiving some type of ESG investment capital (NWO bribe money) from organizations like Blackrock and the WEF. I mean, who fucking knows what's happening over there? I have no clue.

I mean, forget the fact that Jackson demonstrates a desire for "gun control" in his "Roe vs Wade" article (blaming mass shootings on "the right"), after that clumsy and obvious Uvalde false flag event. He also brings up Ukraine. You know SJG has a "Steve Jackson Games Munchkin Ukraine Shirt"? Because it's obviously vitally important for us gamers to support the child trafficking kleptocracy in Ukraine, right? We've gotta protect those poor precious neo-Nazis in the Azov Battalion installed by the CIA in Ukraine via a color revolution in 2014, right? We must save them and the other delightful "Derp State" operatives in Ukraine from the big, bad, evil Russians, right? Because it's obviously necessary for NATO to deliberately provoke Russia and cause WW3, by putting soldiers and bioweapons labs right on Russia's border, yes? So go out and buy that Munchkin Ukraine T-shirt, retards, because the CIA and their neo-Nazi stooges in Ukraine need all the help they can get, right?

For fuck's sake.

Steve Jackson should have kept his stupid Boomer mouth shut, and focused on making tabletop roleplaying games and card games. And this is assuming that it was even Jackson who wrote this press release on his site, which is debatable. Maybe the man really isn't in control of his company any more. Maybe you're right. Who knows?

The only thing I am certain of is that I am boycotting Steve Jackson Games. If Jackson still controls his own company, then he'd better have a damn good explanation for donating to an abortion fund named after a BABY-KILLING DEMON. But whatever. Fuck him.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on July 11, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
Lilith has been "reclaimed" as a feminist symbol. They're not a satanic cult

The fuck they're not.

If "feminists" decide to use a BABY-KILLING DEMON as their precious feminist icon, then that feminist group is indeed a SATANIC CULT.....whether they admit to it or not.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 11, 2022, 02:07:11 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on July 10, 2022, 09:34:06 PM

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 10, 2022, 09:15:35 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on July 10, 2022, 08:43:44 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on July 10, 2022, 12:49:24 PM
I don't think this is really a woke decision per se... This is about being pro or anti-abortion and not necessarily about the other ridiculous woke-scold nonsense that certain game companies shove down your throat. Of course, I'm pro-abortion but I'm certainly and virulently against uber political correctness.

But what if a game company came out and made a statement saying that they were delighted with the Roe V Wade thing being overturned. Would they not be entitled to make such a statement? Even though I might not agree at all with their sentiments.

I just don't believe you are automatically 'uber woke' if you're against abortion. So as far as I'm concerned I'm happy to still buy their stuff.

Did you read the statement? The guy went on about being a privileged straight white male, then started veering off into wild speculation about a bunch of other unrelated stuff, like transgender people losing access to treatment, gay marriage being repealed, etc. It goes well beyond simple support for abortion.

[

Yes, once again a 'wokist' slams the right by using WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF RIGHT WING LEADERS MOUTHS to accuse the right of wanting to do extremist things.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clarence-thomas-supreme-court-reconsider-contraception-gay-marriage-rulings

God is there no limit to their vileness?!?!

There is no limit.

Its vileness all the way down until you are donating to Lilith to kill babies.

Well maybe if the Christian god didn't murder 100 of lilith?s children a day she wouldn't kill his children's babies.

Battlemaster, you are obviously not on this site for roleplaying games. I sometimes wonder if you're paid to post here. Your "schtick" is very tedious and unpleasant, by the way. Just stop.

Baaaa-aaaaa-aaaaaa-aaa.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 11, 2022, 03:09:45 PMBecause it's obviously vitally important for us gamers to support the child trafficking kleptocracy in Ukraine, right?

While Im generally not for people supporting the flavor of the day, if I made sweeping value judgements about nations based on the worst aspects they heard from the news, I would atomize every man, woman and child in the United States (and just about everywhere else).

Americans are just controlled by massive corporate, and military cartels that they use to extort other nations, with puppet elections, while existing on soil taken from natives. I guess that means no matter what bad thing happens to some american, somewhere, they are just all evil and should die. They are all just corpulent ogres, placidly sitting in front of mind-rot boxes while they shovel garbage into their consumption holes while they demand more gayness should be added to educational ciruculms.

Sorry, this is a personal Bubaboo from a person with family in Ukraine.

I pity the stupidity that is at SJG. I'll never buy again. Time to toss over 50 titles and remove pdf's.

Virtue signaling linked with the false vision of freedom. True moral idiocy.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on July 11, 2022, 04:31:26 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 11, 2022, 03:09:45 PMBecause it's obviously vitally important for us gamers to support the child trafficking kleptocracy in Ukraine, right?

While Im generally not for people supporting the flavor of the day, if I made sweeping value judgements about nations based on the worst aspects they heard from the news, I would atomize every man, woman and child in the United States (and just about everywhere else).

Americans are just controlled by massive corporate, and military cartels that they use to extort other nations, with puppet elections, while existing on soil taken from natives. I guess that means no matter what bad thing happens to some american, somewhere, they are just all evil and should die. They are all just corpulent ogres, placidly sitting in front of mind-rot boxes while they shovel garbage into their consumption holes while they demand more gayness should be added to educational ciruculms.

Sorry, this is a personal Bubaboo from a person with family in Ukraine.

I have no quarrel whatsoever with ordinary Ukrainians. Ukrainians are great. The Ukrainian people are being screwed over HARD, as the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian people are completely SEPARATE. They are being ruled over by Satanically evil foreigners (just like America), but this is obviously off-topic.

I brought it up, because Steve Jackson mentioned in the "Roe vs Wade" article that he was selling a Ukraine t-shirt.....which means that he's at least indirectly supporting American involvement over there, which is a HORRIBLE IDEA that establishes his pattern of behavior and beliefs. In other words, he's openly politicizing gaming with his "Munchkin Ukraine" t-shirt, and indirectly encouraging us to go kill Russians, in this NATO/CIA-sponsored proxy war in Ukraine.

Munchkin has been both a card game and a tabletop rpg, but now Jackson wants to link his IP to the Russia/Ukraine/NATO proxy war.

The point is that Steve Jackson's article indicates he supports a lot of NWO/globohomo wankery like abortion, gun control, killing Russians in Ukraine (WW3), and more......and it's a bad idea to financially support someone who hates you and wants you dead. And frankly, when I saw him proudly advocating BABY-KILLING, by donating to a fund named after a DEMON THAT KILLS BABIES....I became morally disgusted.

Oh, well. It is what it is.

Quote from: Battlemaster on July 11, 2022, 02:07:11 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on July 10, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
There is no limit.

Its vileness all the way down until you are donating to Lilith to kill babies.

Well maybe if the Christian god didn't murder 100 of lilith?s children a day she wouldn't kill his children's babies.

Oh no, wont someone think of the demon spawn?

SJG has several Bundle of Holding offerings.  The charity there is 'Direct Relief' which is some sort of Wuhan flu pandemic relief organization.
I thought it odd since everyone I know believe the "pandemic" is ancient history, except for maybe Karen who is still wearing a mask.

Quote from: DocJones on July 11, 2022, 06:11:13 PM
SJG has several Bundle of Holding offerings.  The charity there is 'Direct Relief' which is some sort of Wuhan flu pandemic relief organization.
I thought it odd since everyone I know believe the "pandemic" is ancient history, except for maybe Karen who is still wearing a mask.

  From what I've seen, it's the Bundle of Holding's 'default' charity option.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 11, 2022, 05:10:37 PM
I brought it up, because Steve Jackson mentioned in the "Roe vs Wade" article that he was selling a Ukraine t-shirt.....which means that he's at least indirectly supporting American involvement over there, which is a HORRIBLE IDEA that establishes his pattern of behavior and beliefs. In other words, he's openly politicizing gaming with his "Munchkin Ukraine" t-shirt, and indirectly encouraging us to go kill Russians, in this NATO/CIA-sponsored proxy war in Ukraine.

Did Steve Jackson say anything about American involvement? According to his post, the Munchkin Ukraine t-shirt profits were donated to World Central Kitchen which provides food aid to the citizens of Ukraine being devastated by the Russian invasion. As far as I can see, he is supporting the citizens of Ukraine, not any military action.

http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2022-03-22

Quote from: jhkim on July 11, 2022, 08:22:08 PM

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 11, 2022, 05:10:37 PM
I brought it up, because Steve Jackson mentioned in the "Roe vs Wade" article that he was selling a Ukraine t-shirt.....which means that he's at least indirectly supporting American involvement over there, which is a HORRIBLE IDEA that establishes his pattern of behavior and beliefs. In other words, he's openly politicizing gaming with his "Munchkin Ukraine" t-shirt, and indirectly encouraging us to go kill Russians, in this NATO/CIA-sponsored proxy war in Ukraine.

Did Steve Jackson say anything about American involvement? According to his post, the Munchkin Ukraine t-shirt profits were donated to World Central Kitchen which provides food aid to the citizens of Ukraine being devastated by the Russian invasion. As far as I can see, he is supporting the citizens of Ukraine, not any military action.

http://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2022-03-22

You have it right, but the trumptards around here see anything anyone on the left does as bad wrong and grimdark.

Annnd Sacrificial Lamb is apparently my spirit animal.  Damn, well said.

I've got no issue with people that disagree with me.  There are plenty of opinions to go around.  Heck, I live in Colorado and I'd have no friends if I wasn't open to people on the opposite side of thinking than me. But actively donating to the Lilith Fund after ranting crazy-talk about random other stuff?  SJG has jumped the shark for me and I'm not a cancelculture kind of guy.  But I can't send money to people that actively work against what I stand for.  And we were evaluating GURPS as a possible game system for our next "not D&D" fantasy TTRPG. Well, no más, gracias.  Take your crazy talk rants and disappear quietly.

 I look forward to the lefties "taking back" the titles of Satan and Asmodeus for their next names of their "freedom and social justice" organizations.  This shit is ridiculous, you name organizations after literal demons, pursue things that are demonic, and wonder why people on the middle and other side of the spectrum politically might start to question everything you put your effort and name to.   SJG should ride off into that Texas sunset, pondering his upper middle class privilege (because that is what he is really guilty of, and what is so often called "white" privilege...which is being upper middle class with married parents) and disappear. 

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on July 11, 2022, 07:15:54 AMUnlike Steve Jackson, most of us are still interested in roleplaying games.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 11, 2022, 03:09:45 PM
Who's "us"?

I'm reminded of the time back on The Big Purple when in conversation with me, Kiero said, "I don't consider myself a gamer," and I said, "Then you don't belong here," and I was given a warning, or ban or something.

Fortunately this site is not run by BNGs, and so I can say without fear of repeating that experience:

If you are not interested in roleplaying games, you don't belong here.

Therpgsite is, as Pundit likes to remind us, a place for free speech about rpgs. Not about other stuff. I don't go on some politics subreddit and start blathering about D&D, that'd be stupid. A time and place for everything under the sun.

Okay, DM Pundit, now I'm ready to make my turn undead roll!