Quote from: pawsplay on January 26, 2024, 03:31:15 PM
I think the stance of SJ Games is entirely in keeping with the standards of modern, ethical society. I think they made the right call and it will pay off for them. I don't think it's "woke," 80-something perfect of people in the USA agree with them. That is my opinion about the actions of SJ Games, which have been described by other people in this thread, and are about the subject matter of how "woke" SJ Games is, and how this affects their relationship with their customers.

80% is a statistical lie, and that's why it's not paying off for SJG.  They reported a revenue loss last year.

At the end of the day its SJG being stupid... again. News at 11.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 26, 2024, 03:55:16 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 26, 2024, 03:31:15 PM
I think the stance of SJ Games is entirely in keeping with the standards of modern, ethical society. I think they made the right call and it will pay off for them. I don't think it's "woke," 80-something perfect of people in the USA agree with them. That is my opinion about the actions of SJ Games, which have been described by other people in this thread, and are about the subject matter of how "woke" SJ Games is, and how this affects their relationship with their customers.

80% is a statistical lie, and that's why it's not paying off for SJG.  They reported a revenue loss last year.

It probably has more to do with what happened with Dungeon Fantasy.

The data analysis I provided on Jan 17 last year in the Woke list thread indicates that it's across the board.

Looking at the updated list, it would appear this was indeed determined to constitute red list behavior as interpreted by the list creator. Presumably under the strong political stance segment. I wasn't really sure what constitutes a strong political stance as opposed to simply a political stance or in-book preaching (yellow modifier). However, reading what is written here I'd assume it is when substantial proceeds go directly to a politicized cause.

Not sure that's intrinsically Woke as I would describe it. (I feel like Woke reasoning rather than political practice more generally, is structured more specifically such that intrinsic birth identities are either demonized or glorified as oppressor/oppressed to the point of pushing unequal treatment based on that under the law, hiring practices, service provision and cetera.)  But if that's the criteria the list uses for Woke then I guess that's that within said context. I'd assume this also applies to any controversial political topic where right wing or left wing or whatever opinions are espoused and backed with funding. So in a sense, a push towards a gaming space that is apolitical in non-game corporate endeavors to avoid red, and to avoid yellow not noticeably politically preachy for in-game content. Not a bad idea, per se, but I dunno if I'd call it the same thing as an anti-Woke criteria.

IDK. Kinda just going stream of consciousness here with respect to how this thread relates to the list and its precepts.

  I do enjoy the idea a cult that slaughters babies in an rpg could have worm tongue types going around everywhere in society marrying their actions to words like "ethical" and declaring they have 80 percent support.  That is pretty smart from the perspective of the cult to spread such propaganda and it could lead the characters to accidently get into a fracas with cult members for stating some wrong facts out loud around them.