Yeah, Pathfinder and DnD are doing so terrible that they will die soon >.>.

And guess who's the third one? FFG's Warhammer 40k, also an excellent splatbook medium .

Butcher - the problem is, that there really is not much really decisive data on RPG sales, beyond anecdotal evidence. Companies release sales informations very sporadically to never, and neutral audits are even rarer then that.

Quote from: Rincewind1;500617Butcher - the problem is, that there really is not much really decisive data on RPG sales, beyond anecdotal evidence. Companies release sales informations very sporadically to never, and neutral audits are even rarer then that.

My point exactly.

Pundejo can't understand for some reason. Or, I dunno, maybe he does, but he's just one big huge giant troll out to fling shit on everyone, completely incapable or unwilling to engage actual debate, and DominikSchwager is right.

Quote from: Benoist;500572As a matter of fact I do. To quote the Italian Job, I trust everyone. It's the devil inside them I don't trust.

In Pundy's case the devil has eaten the insides and is now firmly sitting between the eyes and yelling obsceneties.

Quote from: DominikSchwager;500636In Pundy's case the devil has eaten the insides and is now firmly sitting between the eyes and yelling obsceneties.

You say that like it's a BAD thing.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;500776You say that like it's a BAD thing.

JG

It really depends, if you want to prod him and make fun of him it is a good thing. If he comes into a good discussion it is a bad thing. Hence my original post here.

Quote from: David R;498851As someone who has every oMage book published I guess I should know this but what "missing" conventions books?

Any but Interation X. I'm looking forward to those. I always felt the single metal grey book among the black ones must feel awfully alone.

That you guys intentionally choose to ignore what's blatantly self-evident because it doesn't fit either your personal ideologies, or your need to argue with me, is not really a surprise to anyone.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;501150That you guys intentionally choose to ignore what's blatantly self-evident because it doesn't fit either your personal ideologies, or your need to argue with me, is not really a surprise to anyone.

There's no argüing with you, Pundit, because there's no common ground. Either you live in an entirely different, possibly delusional world, or you are the most dishonest conversationalist I have ever had the misfortune to encounter, sacrificing any semblance of sanity to your hate-peddling agenda.

You just don't get to stir the shit and complain about the smell. Man up, provide some facts, mount a coherent argument instaed of rambling and shifting goalposts, or admit defeat, suck up and shut up already.

Its really hilarious, hearing the guy who's trying to argue that White Wolf is still the major player in the industry with a market share akin to what it had in the 90s trying to accuse me of intellectual dishonesty or "living in delusion".

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;501208Its really hilarious, hearing the guy who's trying to argue that White Wolf is still the major player in the industry with a market share akin to what it had in the 90s trying to accuse me of intellectual dishonesty or "living in delusion".

RPGPundit

I'm the one who talked about being delusional, and I'm arguing none of those things, for the record. I'm just saying there is IMO interest in the 20th anniversary products, and that believing otherwise is delusional. That's it. I agree with the rest: that WW's tabletop products are legacy at best, that they no longer are a major player in the "industry", etc.

Quote from: RPGPundit;501208Its really hilarious, hearing the guy who's trying to argue that White Wolf is still the major player in the industry with a market share akin to what it had in the 90s trying to accuse me of intellectual dishonesty or "living in delusion".

Quote from: The Butcher;500550I'll concur that WW is but a shadow of the industry giant it was in the 90s, they've all but said so on RPGnet and on their own forums.

English, motherfucker.



Can you read it?

Quote from: Benoist;501211I'm the one who talked about being delusional, and I'm arguing none of those things, for the record. I'm just saying there is IMO interest in the 20th anniversary products, and that believing otherwise is delusional. That's it. I agree with the rest: that WW's tabletop products are legacy at best, that they no longer are a major player in the "industry", etc.

Same here, as demonstrated above.

Yet Pundejo is so rabid on his WW-hate (maybe he was spurned by a perky Goth in his pipe-smoking, Masonic-initiated, White Wolf-hating youth) he can't, or more likely won't, see it.

But gentlemen, in that case, we have no argument. If you agree with me on every key point, then you have to conclude as indeed I do that the only people who will be interested in this will be old WW swine who still give a fuck about said "legacy product".

RPGPundit

I don't think we agree, because I think the interest in OWoD is actually wide spread and extends to (1) gamers who still play RPGs, don't give a shit about the web, and probably haven't purchased games for a while in some cases, and (2) lapsed gamers who would play OWoD again if it came back.

It's WW's response to this interest that is timid at best, for a variety of reasons, like the fact they are owned by CCP, that the company just went through a painful restructuration and probably a lack of faith in the tabletop business too. Their products are legacy, their presence on the market right now is anecdotic, but there is an interest out there V20 has IMO proven that WW could tap into to a greater extent if it really wanted to, not just from the pretentious types, but also from the legions of gamers who, like myself, enjoy the hell out of WoD games while playing them traditionally.