Star Wars D6 has some vocal fans on the net. In fact, every time you say something (positive) about the D20 version, someone always seems to feel they have to pipe in with how much better D6 was, or how much better it captured the Star Wars "feel" (or just how much D20 sucks).
Now I don't begrudge these people their opinions, because I got a LOT of play time out of D6 Star Wars, and would have continued to do so if the D20 version didn't come along (especially now that the Saga version is coming out, which is making my nipples hard so far).
However, it sure seems to be hard to find that much hard evidence that Star Wars D6 has much of anything but a nostalgic presence in the real world. There are hardly any fan sites, or active forums. Really, on the net it's pretty hard to find any descent D6 Star Wars material at all anymore, most of the cool stuff you could find 8 years ago seems to be gone.
While many people on the internet will argue that D6 is better than D20, I've never met a "real" person who agrees, or asks me to play any version of Star Wars other than D20 in the last several years (well, since D20 came out, really). In fact, I haven't seen a D6 Star Wars event at a con in some time (but I have seen plenty of D20 ones).
Now I'm sure someone is going to pipe in with the fact that they still play SWD6, and that's cool, but, other than in your little sphere have you seen any real activity with the game that leads you to believe it hasn't been effectively replaced by D20 (soon to be saga)?
I haven't played D6 Star Wars in years. However I don't think it's been replaced, at least locally. Personally I don't see anybody around here playing any version of Star Wars at all. In my neck of the woods each had their heyday. D6 had a bigger following, but then again it was out longer with more support material and all that. D20 SW had a following but they've pretty much stopped playing also.
I think it's more a case of setting disinterest now.
On the fan material. Yeah a lot of it has vanished from the web. There used to be a lot of material but not anymore. Ah well.
Just my two cents and my viewpoint from my little corner of the woods.
That's pretty much it. Reminds me of d20 CoC in some respects. While I personally think the D6 version is fun and great and awesome, I have no problems with the d20 version. And, here's the kicker, I've actually played both...unlike some finger-pointers.
Seanchai
I like both versions, and I actually play/run both versions.
As for active D6 communities on the internet, there's the Rancor Pit (http://www.rancorpit.com/index.shtml).
D6 sucks. Its like 14 less than D20. What else needs to be said?
RPGPundit
Quote from: SeanchaiThat's pretty much it. Reminds me of d20 CoC in some respects. While I personally think the D6 version is fun and great and awesome, I have no problems with the d20 version. And, here's the kicker, I've actually played both...unlike some finger-pointers.
Seanchai
I played both too...own both as well.
I just cannotcannotcannot get into the class levels and the like. I hated having to have 10 levels of Soldier to be a Bounty Hunter...just a lot of things didn't sit right with me.
I've never begrudged anyone for playing d20, though. When it came out and my Star Wars GM bought it, I converted my character and gave it a go.
After a mind-numbingly awful session in which my character no longer really played the same way I never played again.
I now just use the d20 books for cool bits I can scrape off for all the non-existant Star Wars d6 games I'll never run.
Quote from: grubmanWhile many people on the internet will argue that D6 is better than D20, I’ve never met a “real” person who agrees, or asks me to play any version of Star Wars other than D20 in the last several years (well, since D20 came out, really). In fact, I haven’t seen a D6 Star Wars event at a con in some time (but I have seen plenty of D20 ones).
Well, Grub, you don't live in
my town, see. 'Cause if you did you'd've met me, and I'm all, like, "Yeah, I like D6 Star Wars better, all day, every day, want some lemonade?"
QuoteNow I’m sure someone is going to pipe in with the fact that they still play SWD6, and that’s cool, but, other than in your little sphere have you seen any real activity with the game that leads you to believe it hasn’t been effectively replaced by D20 (soon to be saga)?
Last Friday I went down to my Local to run a D6 Space game of my own, and lo and behold one of the dudes there had his copy of
Star Wars 2nd Edition (aka "The Blue Trainwreck", but it wasn't THAT bad) with him. And I said, "Dude, you running
Star Wars?" He replied that he wasn't but someone else was.
Yeah, I'm a vocal proponent of the D6 version over the d20 version, all day, every day. But I'm
more of a fan of people playing the games they like and not trying to convince me theirs is better than mine when I've already decided. I own, have played, and have run the d20 version (the second one, even) and have been personally dissatisfied. A lot of what Tommy Brownell said upthread could've come from my own mouth.
Anybody playin' d20 SW...hey, man, Wang Chung.
Oh, hey, welcome back, Grubman! Sincerely.
Quote from: peteramthorI think it's more a case of setting disinterest now.
Ironically, I've noticed a lot of older gamers (and non gamers) have lost interest since the prequils came out...while the "newer generation" is all about the kick ass kung-foo Jedi seen in those movies.
But that is just my limited experience.
I can't vouch for D6, but my group's had a ball with the D20 version. IMO, it's well developed and over it's print run developed a decent amount of support. If D20 doesn't replace it, it's a good substitute.
Quote from: grubmanIronically, I've noticed a lot of older gamers (and non gamers) have lost interest since the prequils came out...while the "newer generation" is all about the kick ass kung-foo Jedi seen in those movies.
But that is just my limited experience.
I'm part of the old school crowd that had my interest renewed when the prequels came out - not because they were any good, crap IMO - but rather because I kinda of liked the Jedi focus. Mind you my
SW campaigns aren't Jedi-centric at all, but I do think there a rich mythology to mine with the Jedi. and by this I mean my own version not the crap Lucas put on film.
Now when it comes to system
d6 is my poison but I had to run a
d20 campaign because my crew demanded it....half way through they wanted to switch to
Feng Shui (my choice) or
d6, but I kinda of threw a mild hissy fit and declined...truth be told I had gotten used to
d20 by then and thought why bother. Next time it's either
d6 or
FS...depending on the kind of game I want to run.
Regards,
David R
I've never bothered putting up websites for 99% of games I've been interested in--the only one I bothered with was Providence, mostly because I don't have time, or energy to do that beyond my own games (and my website needs to also be updated soon.)
But I still regularly play D6 Star Wars..
Quote from: grubmanIronically, I've noticed a lot of older gamers (and non gamers) have lost interest since the prequils came out...while the "newer generation" is all about the kick ass kung-foo Jedi seen in those movies.
I would be one of them. In fact I'm one of those heathens who, because of the prequals, finds the original trilogy much worse as well. And I was a HUGE Star Wars nut: from playing the d6 game to scouring toy stores in the mid-90's looking for the action figures. Star Wars just lost most interest for me.
I've run lengthy campaigns with both and have played in both. I do like D6 more than d20 Revised but wouldn't play either game again. Both of them have too much EU influence, especially through stuff like Jedi being able to heal everyone. I also find the games to have serious Jedi power creep and general system problems (for me, Wild Die vs. Attack escalating faster than defense in d20).
That said, I have about as easy a time finding D6 and D20 games. D6 games are almost always being run by older roleplayers who, due to years of running it and an exceptional lineup of supplements, just don't need any online resources. The d20 line was also pretty complete, perhaps suffering most from no updated Starships book for Revised.
The only resource I used online, in terms of mechanics, for either game was //www.swrpgnetwork.com and I highly recommend it.
I'll definitely be picking up the new SW, despite my general displeasure with the current edition. The mechanics changes alone are worth the cost of admission for me, and if there's any game that's always an easy sell to a group it's the latest Star Wars RPG.
Quote from: C.W.RichesonI've run lengthy campaigns with both and have played in both. I do like D6 more than d20 Revised but wouldn't play either game again. Both of them have too much EU influence, especially through stuff like Jedi being able to heal everyone.
Ah, you mean the stuff I ignore?
I rarely get any Jedi in my games, come to think - they end up being more Solo-types than Mace Windu-types. Jedi are cool, but mostly I've had players want to play smugglers and ne'er-do-wells-with-hearts-of-gold than anything. :shrug: Go fig.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Ah, you mean the stuff I ignore?
I rarely get any Jedi in my games, come to think - they end up being more Solo-types than Mace Windu-types. Jedi are cool, but mostly I've had players want to play smugglers and ne'er-do-wells-with-hearts-of-gold than anything. :shrug: Go fig.
*nods*
My games used to be more like that 10 years ago, but most folk I've met in the last 3 years or so have wanted to play Jedi. I think it's due in at least a small part to the prequels heavy focus on Jedi and a general lack of a Solo-type character.
With the Jedi aside my complaints then would be the Wild Die and Critical hits in d6 and d20 respectively. The Wild Die is a fine idea, but in practice I've seen too many GMs use it as an excuse for extremely silliness 1 in 6 rolls that just destroys the Star Wars feel. I watched critical hits in d20 result in one hit kills more than once, and it was a little frustrating.
Both of those things are, of course, subject to house rules :)
Quote from: MoriartyI would be one of them. In fact I'm one of those heathens who, because of the prequals, finds the original trilogy much worse as well. And I was a HUGE Star Wars nut: from playing the d6 game to scouring toy stores in the mid-90's looking for the action figures. Star Wars just lost most interest for me.
I was also soured. completely. I doubt I've ever mentioned this here, but I ran a primordial Star Wars campaign in the early eighties with, of all things, FGU's Space Opera. Oh, it was wretched- and it was eventually destroyed by my half assed attempt to introduce Jedi pcs using the SO psionics "rules". By the time I saw D6 (i lived in a small town on the assend of nowhere) Return of the Jedi had already ruined it for me.
Quote from: C.W.RichesonThe Wild Die is a fine idea, but in practice I've seen too many GMs use it as an excuse for extremely silliness 1 in 6 rolls that just destroys the Star Wars feel.
Indeed. Me, I use the Wild Die results as judiciously as I can, choosing to count a '1' as either
- Just a '1', too bad so sad;
- A penalty, subtracting itself and the highest die roll; or
- An indicator that Something Has Gone Wrong.
I do this on a case-by-case basis, i.e. when dramatically appropriate. Likewise, a '6' is always re-rolled and added in, but only when it's dramatically appropriate does a huge numeric result end in big on-screen coolness.
It's basic GMing skills, really. Thank goodness I have some of
those at least...I can't bake a cake.
We got so nostalgic for d6 Star Wars that we played a short campaign based loosely on KotOR last year. Only myself and the GM had played KotOR, so we had a blast. The guy who ended up playing Revan had actually chosen an amnesiac background independently, so that worked out, and I got to play HK-47, which was a hoot.
I still rather like the d6 system but I find that I like d20 better, and although my nipples aren't rock-hard for the Saga system, they're at least tingling a little.
Quote from: grubmanIronically, I've noticed a lot of older gamers (and non gamers) have lost interest since the prequils came out...
Well, they are like a stiff case of post-partum depression.
Seanchai
Quote from: grubmanStar Wars D6 has some vocal fans on the net. In fact, every time you say something (positive) about the D20 version, someone always seems to feel they have to pipe in with how much better D6 was, or how much better it captured the Star Wars "feel" (or just how much D20 sucks).
Tell me about it. On RPGnet round the time d20 SW came out, you couldn't so much exhale a breath that might be followed by any sort of praise or positive experience without the rabid d6 fanbois jumping on your ass.
I know they are probably lots of mellow, well meaning d6 SW fans out there who may believe in live-and-let live, but as for all you mouth breathing bashers out there, I hope you see all your precious d6 books burned (or worse, scooped up on ebay and used for references for d20 SW games) before you play another game of it again.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Indeed. Me, I use the Wild Die results as judiciously as I can, choosing to count a '1' as either - Just a '1', too bad so sad;
- A penalty, subtracting itself and the highest die roll; or
- An indicator that Something Has Gone Wrong.
I do this on a case-by-case basis, i.e. when dramatically appropriate. Likewise, a '6' is always re-rolled and added in, but only when it's dramatically appropriate does a huge numeric result end in big on-screen coolness.
It's basic GMing skills, really. Thank goodness I have some of those at least...I can't bake a cake.
That's RAW for R&E. My only problem with that is that #3 is superfluous. If you as the GM think something should go wrong, you just make it go wrong. The dice have nothing to do with it. It just encourages you to fuck with your players.
And also, how do you (fairly) decide between #1 and #2?
I tried all sorts of things to compensate, from having the player tell me what they wanted it to be, to rolling randomly to determine which of the three results happened. In the end I decided to just always go with #1. It solved a lot of headaches.
Quote from: RedFoxThat's RAW for R&E. My only problem with that is that #3 is superfluous. If you as the GM think something should go wrong, you just make it go wrong. The dice have nothing to do with it. It just encourages you to fuck with your players.
I dunno - it's actually had some great effects for me, suggesting rather than commanding that I goof up the works. I dunno, maybe I just have some kind of crazy built-in Wild-Die-O-Meter...?
QuoteAnd also, how do you (fairly) decide between #1 and #2?
Drama. Gut. Mood. That's all.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I dunno - it's actually had some great effects for me, suggesting rather than commanding that I goof up the works. I dunno, maybe I just have some kind of crazy built-in Wild-Die-O-Meter...?
Drama. Gut. Mood. That's all.
Hey if it works for you, that's cool. For me, it's more stress than it's worth. Especially since it comes up
all the time. With the frequency it occurs at, I'd rather just not deal with it. I think if it occurred far less frequently I'd have less of an issue.
It's a GM style thing. To each their own.
Quote from: SeanchaiWell, they are like a stiff case of post-partum depression.
Seanchai
The gamers, or the prequels?
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!The gamers, or the prequels?
Dude, definitely the prequels. "Midichlorians make me special!"
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiDude, definitely the prequels. "Midichlorians make me special!"
My players had a field day with "midichlorians"....there's nothin' worse then running a Rebellion era campaign for a bunch of pissed of fans who had just watched the prequels...
Regards,
David R
Quote from: SilverlionI've never bothered putting up websites for 99% of games I've been interested in--the only one I bothered with was Providence, mostly because I don't have time, or energy to do that beyond my own games (and my website needs to also be updated soon.)
But I still regularly play D6 Star Wars..
Pretty much the same here...except for the "regularly play". Unfortunately, I don't get to regularly play anything.
The only reasons I tossed my Marvel SAGA message boards up is 1) the mailing list was being overridden with spam, 2) SAGA no longer had a real web presence outside of a handful of sites that hadn't been updated in years and 3) the yahoogroup's file folders, at the time, were about to burst.
As it is, it was largely too little, too late...the consistent traffic on my boards is the people playing their MURPG PBP.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!one of the dudes there had his copy of Star Wars 2nd Edition (aka "The Blue Trainwreck", but it wasn't THAT bad)
Say, I'm curious. I own SW 2nd, but I've never seen 1st. Just what is it about the "Blue Trainwreck" that's supposed to be inferior to the original?
Peace,
-Joel
Quote from: MelinglorSay, I'm curious. I own SW 2nd, but I've never seen 1st. Just what is it about the "Blue Trainwreck" that's supposed to be inferior to the original?
I might be wrong, but it always seemd to me that the second edition focussed more on long-time campaigns than the first ones, which IMHO stretches the D6 system a little beyond its boundaries.
2nd ed introduced the wild die, skill specialisations, scale rules and force powers, if memory serves me right (both editions are currently stowed away in a packing case).
They also went from movie pictures to the usual abysmal WEG art.
Huh. I've read both, 1st and 2nd edition.
I consider 2nd much superior, partly because of the Force rules.
I'm looking forward hopefully to the new Sage D20 edition though.
Personally, I'm just wondering if Star Wars Saga will avoid the "you'll never ever ever be as cool as the main characters" attitude that D6 Star Wars had. D20 went a long way towards that, by making the main characters actually in the same range as the PCs, so i'd be interested to see if Saga continues that trend.
Quote from: MelinglorSay, I'm curious. I own SW 2nd, but I've never seen 1st. Just what is it about the "Blue Trainwreck" that's supposed to be inferior to the original?
Peace,
-Joel
Sosthenes has listed the reasons why I
think people would call 2nd Ed. a 'trainwreck', but like I said, I don't think it was THAT bad. Really, the only thing that I didn't like about it was the addition of ammo limitations, because bleah. Seriously, you ever see Han Solo stop and reload? No, you don't. I always ignored such tomfoolery and declared that a '1' on the Wild might mean you're out of blaster gas or whatever.
2nd. also changed vehicle speeds from die codes to numbers, added the concept of "Space Units" for ship movement, introduced scale and...uh...the stuff that Sosthenes mentioned.
I liked the product just fine, but frankly Revised & Expanded takes its cake, eats it, and makes out with its girlfriend.
Quote from: Eric TollePersonally, I'm just wondering if Star Wars Saga will avoid the "you'll never ever ever be as cool as the main characters" attitude that D6 Star Wars had. D20 went a long way towards that, by making the main characters actually in the same range as the PCs, so i'd be interested to see if Saga continues that trend.
I think D6's problem was reversed. It wasn't that the PCs couldn't be as cool as the main characters, it was more that the main characters were over-statted. The NPC write-ups were really over-generous. Moreover, they should've given out pre-generated movie character sheets so that you could jump right into the game playing Luke, Han, and company.
To not do that was a real mistake, IMO. And one that D20 did not correct.
Dude, c'mon, imagine the fights over who gets to play Jar-Jar. It could tear a group APART!!!
Quote from: RedFoxMoreover, they should've given out pre-generated movie character sheets so that you could jump right into the game playing Luke, Han, and company.
Dude, those were in the sourcebook from Day 1.
Quote from: AosDude, c'mon, imagine the fights over who gets to play Jar-Jar.
Is that the guy from that Kevin J. Anderson short story?
Did I spell it wrong?
Kickass!
I feel clean for the first time in years.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Dude, those were in the sourcebook from Day 1.
Sourcebook? All I got's R&E. It has NPC write-ups, but they come off as examples.
Quote from: AosDid I spell it wrong?
Kickass!
I feel clean for the first time in years.
No, I was pretending I don't know who the little mofo is.
REDFOX: Oh, I see. Yeah, they weren't in there. But there
was a sourcebook for that edition, too. So the principals' stats
were available; I can see your argment, though, about putting them in the core book.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!No, I was pretending I don't know who the little mofo is.
Darn you.
In my experience, the D6 system gets a _bit_ cumbersome when skills hit the double digits. And the stats for the big heroes and villains easily breached that and it only got worse with time. The first 1E sourcebook was pretty decent (hey, Darth _is_ supposed to be the ultimate badass), but I've got some of the WEG crap surrounding the novels and it got pretty unplayable from there on.
Using the D6 rules for a long campaign seems a bit awkward. It works okay if the players add new skills, but improving their best ones will result in some heavy dice rolling. Full-fledged Jedis are near unplayable.
The D20 versions at least brought balance back to the Force, erm, game table, but had their own problems. Basically, if you want to play a campaign set in the same universe, I'd recommend those rules. If you want to play a game like in the movies, use the D6 system, the earlier, the better.
The Saga edition might change that. Enough room for progress, but a better simulation of Space Opera in general (e.g. the everybody knows everything bit -- come on, you have to be quite a mynock-brain not to know about astrogation and hyperdrive repair, apparently).
I'd also like to add that I kinda dug the KOTOR games, with their changes to the system. Some of that is only playable for a computer, but it kinda simplified and straightend out the feat mess. (And the first part had the biggest "WTF" moment I've experienced in any movie, game or book in the last few years.)
Quote from: MelinglorSay, I'm curious. I own SW 2nd, but I've never seen 1st. Just what is it about the "Blue Trainwreck" that's supposed to be inferior to the original?
Peace,
-Joel
For me, I always just though it was really half-assedly produced compared to the others.
It really had this feel to it like WEG was short on cash, and wanted to dump out a new edition quick as possible.
It's R&E all the way for me baby.
Quote from: C.W.Richeson*nods*
My games used to be more like that 10 years ago, but most folk I've met in the last 3 years or so have wanted to play Jedi. I think it's due in at least a small part to the prequels heavy focus on Jedi and a general lack of a Solo-type character.
With the Jedi aside my complaints then would be the Wild Die and Critical hits in d6 and d20 respectively. The Wild Die is a fine idea, but in practice I've seen too many GMs use it as an excuse for extremely silliness 1 in 6 rolls that just destroys the Star Wars feel. I watched critical hits in d20 result in one hit kills more than once, and it was a little frustrating.
Both of those things are, of course, subject to house rules :)
Wierd.
The thing I always disliked about both systems, even in spite of my D6 lurve, was the annoying shortage of one hit kills. D20 even moreso than D6, but even with D6 the lightsaber always seemed rather underdiced.
Most things in the Star Wars movies die in one hit. The heroes generally just avoid getting hit.
Quote from: SosthenesUsing the D6 rules for a long campaign seems a bit awkward. It works okay if the players add new skills, but improving their best ones will result in some heavy dice rolling. Full-fledged Jedis are near unplayable.
I can't comment on the playability of powerful Jedi, but I have indeed run a long campaign and can tell you thta, actually, heavy dice rolling wasn't an issue for us.
My players would do one of two things with their Character Points: they'd either use them to pump up one or two skills (in which case they became either, say, totally rad pilots or capable of multiple, meaningful actions), or they'd hoard them and spend them to boost in-game rolls.
In my experience, the best use of a big die code is to perfom multiple actions. Shoot three times in a round, pull several maneuvers in a ship, fast-talk the customs guy while simultaneously concealing the very datacard he's accusing you of holding...that sort of thing. You can rock more often that way, so to speak; someone with a 9D blaster skill can, in one round, pull off 4 shots at 5D each, meaning they're more likely to hit* - or do two shots at 7D and run and jump or what-have-you.
I couldn't tell you why it was such a non-issue with our group, but...it wasn't.
:shrug:
*And in the latest D6 rolls, they'll likely do more damage, as to-hit overages now addto damage rolls.
Quote from: SosthenesIn my experience, the D6 system gets a _bit_ cumbersome when skills hit the double digits. And the stats for the big heroes and villains easily breached that and it only got worse with time. The first 1E sourcebook was pretty decent (hey, Darth _is_ supposed to be the ultimate badass), but I've got some of the WEG crap surrounding the novels and it got pretty unplayable from there on.
Using the D6 rules for a long campaign seems a bit awkward. It works okay if the players add new skills, but improving their best ones will result in some heavy dice rolling. Full-fledged Jedis are near unplayable.
The D20 versions at least brought balance back to the Force, erm, game table, but had their own problems. Basically, if you want to play a campaign set in the same universe, I'd recommend those rules. If you want to play a game like in the movies, use the D6 system, the earlier, the better.
The Saga edition might change that. Enough room for progress, but a better simulation of Space Opera in general (e.g. the everybody knows everything bit -- come on, you have to be quite a mynock-brain not to know about astrogation and hyperdrive repair, apparently).
I'd also like to add that I kinda dug the KOTOR games, with their changes to the system. Some of that is only playable for a computer, but it kinda simplified and straightend out the feat mess. (And the first part had the biggest "WTF" moment I've experienced in any movie, game or book in the last few years.)
So is the Saga edition supposed to be lend itself to a more general type of space opera as well as the SW universe?
IIRC, R&E wasn't that different from the 2nd edition. It was a bit more legible, although a bit for the color-blind at times. I don't own the editon, but a friend of mine does, and as far as I remember, the actual changes were pretty minor. It had another wound level, right?
Quote from: Eric TollePersonally, I'm just wondering if Star Wars Saga will avoid the "you'll never ever ever be as cool as the main characters" attitude that D6 Star Wars had. D20 went a long way towards that, by making the main characters actually in the same range as the PCs, so i'd be interested to see if Saga continues that trend.
That is my one gripe about Star Wars D6.
That is also a gripe about DC Universe, also made by WEG. If you make a starting Power Level 5 character (supposed to be the Superman category) he's largely less efficient across the board than Robin.
Now, I love Robin...he's my favorite DC character but, especially in '98 or so, Tim Drake hadn't hit the stride where he was giving orders to Superman or anything.
I make sure that, in my Marvel SAGA game, the only people who aren't giving the PCs the respect they deserve are, in fact, the PCs.
Quote from: J ArcaneThe thing I always disliked about both systems, even in spite of my D6 lurve, was the annoying shortage of one hit kills. D20 even moreso than D6, but even with D6 the lightsaber always seemed rather underdiced.
Most things in the Star Wars movies die in one hit. The heroes generally just avoid getting hit.
I meant more on the PC sides of things. It is a good point though, because I remember feeling frustrated that Stormtroopers were as badass as they were. With their armor it would often take several hits to take them down, unless a lightsaber using Jedi went after them.
The kill problem came out more prominently for me (this is all d20) with high level Jedi battles. Crit ranges on the lightsabers in the mid teens were commonly 15+, and it wasn't unusual to have a character attack 3 to 5 times. This frequently resulted in whichever Jedi won initiative won the combat. Since lightsaber damage increased by level, 4 or 5d8 + (1-6 Str) damage to Wounds was easily fatal.
Ultimately we house ruled death into dismemberment (lose a hand and fall unconscious, etc.) to get around it. I've heard of other groups using Force Point expenditures to avoid it, but then you have players hoarding the damn Force Points even more than they already do.
Quote from: AosSo is the Saga edition supposed to be lend itself to a more general type of space opera as well as the SW universe?
Not specifically. On the other hand, Star Wars _is_ cookie-cutter space opera, so changing the names a bit should prove no problem. Maybe I'll use it for the Captain Future campaign I always wanted...
Judging from the previews, it will be better to pull off the usual non-hard SF stuff we read about and see about. I just hope they put in a decent spaceship combat section. I don't want to concern myself with the turn radius of this specfic maneuver with this specific space fighter. If I don't have the time to make those Tie fighter noises, the designers have failed me. For the last time.
Quote from: J ArcaneWierd.
The thing I always disliked about both systems, even in spite of my D6 lurve, was the annoying shortage of one hit kills. D20 even moreso than D6, but even with D6 the lightsaber always seemed rather underdiced.
Most things in the Star Wars movies die in one hit. The heroes generally just avoid getting hit.
D6 (the new stuff) solves this in two ways.
One is that rolling above and beyond the difficulty number adds damage: +1 pip for every 5 points over the difficulty. If the target was 10 and you rolled 18, you add +1 damage.
The other, and I dunno why
I never thought of this, is simply to give minor NPCs fewer wound levels. So instead of having Stunned, Wounded, Severely Wounded and Incapacitated, a mook with 3 Wound Levels would have Stunned, Mortally Wounded and Incapacitated (I think that's the progression, anyway). The WEG site has a chart on it somewhere...see if I can find it...whoa! Here ya go, it's in the FAQ (http://www.westendgames.com/html/faq.html).
Quote from: Eric TollePersonally, I'm just wondering if Star Wars Saga will avoid the "you'll never ever ever be as cool as the main characters" attitude that D6 Star Wars had. D20 went a long way towards that, by making the main characters actually in the same range as the PCs, so i'd be interested to see if Saga continues that trend.
Assuming the GM started you out at higher levels, yeah. I've met few d20 GMs who do that, unfortunately.
Remember the awesome d20 ad campaign? "What's this guy's story?" They'd always pick out some random nameless rebel trooper or stormtrooper in the background. "Someone had to steal it (the Lambda shuttle in RotJ) before Chewie could fly it." The ad campaign was awful and I remember thinking at the time how much I didn't want to play Rebel Trooper # 7 who barely managed to escape Hoth.
Maybe it owes a lot to the Star Wars Adventure Journals and other WEG adventures. Sometimes they were really good, showing other Jedi and bands of heroes doing cool shit during the Rebellion era. Other times, though, it was the height of blandness.
Quote from: C.W.RichesonAssuming the GM started you out at higher levels, yeah. I've met few d20 GMs who do that, unfortunately.
Well, starting out at different levels would be the more obvious solution. After all, don't try to balance Han and Luke in the beginning. Or the end, where their situation reversed. (Apparently the DM had a crush on the Leia player, so after Han seduced her, he didn't get any more XPs)
Back when i ran my SW campaign the issue of the pc being as cool as the characters in the movies never really came up. Of course they were that cool. this was before Return of the Jedi though, and the first two movies gave me the impression that the empire was HUUUUUUUGE and that the destruction of the first deathstar was more of a minor setback than anything else. i thought the rebellion was something that would take generations, and that there was all kinds of room for all kinds of cool stuff to take place in the vast stretches of available time and space. I remember watching the end of Jedi and being a bit taken aback by the fact that the rebel victory at the close of the movie signified the end of the war. Even now, when I think about it in light of the prequels, it just doen't seem right that the whole thing goes down in such a short time, dead emporer or not. As crappy as the prequels were they only seemed to emphasise the vast size of the empire.
Quote from: C.W.RichesonAssuming the GM started you out at higher levels, yeah. I've met few d20 GMs who do that, unfortunately.
For most sf and modern games in which I choose d20, I usually start characters at some fixed level and don't progress them. It's usually not a "high" level, but a competent level. Probably that's just my initial exposure (Traveller) biasing everything I do now, though. But I do think that progression is overrated.
Quote from: HalfjackFor most sf and modern games in which I choose d20, I usually start characters at some fixed level and don't progress them. It's usually not a "high" level, but a competent level. Probably that's just my initial exposure (Traveller) biasing everything I do now, though. But I do think that progression is overrated.
I completely agree. The peasant become knight model makes a lot of sense if you want to emulate particular fantasy novels, but most characters don't go from incompetent louts to incredibly competent folk.
I've met few people that like no progression, however.
You know what other question came to mind today...now that Saga is coming out, I wonder what will happen to D20 Star Wars (revised).
Star Wars D6 had a lot of sticking power because a lot of people played it for a lot of years...and it came along in the semi-early days when there weren't as many choices of RPGs to play AND it was Star Wars. Good memories and familiarity make for a fan base that refuses to die in the RPG field.
But, what about D20? I know, technically Saga is still D20, but it's definitely a new version of the game, not just a revision...so it makes me wonder if there will be any Die hard D20 Star Wars fans...and how long they will hold out? Will every thread about Saga include not only D6 fans piping in, byut a legion of D20 fans piping in to scream about how much better the D20 version captured the feel of Star Wars, ect. ect.?
Quote from: grubmanBut, what about D20? I know, technically Saga is still D20, but it's definitely a new version of the game, not just a revision...so it makes me wonder if there will be any Die hard D20 Star Wars fans...and how long they will hold out? Will every thread about Saga include not only D6 fans piping in, byut a legion of D20 fans piping in to scream about how much better the D20 version captured the feel of Star Wars, ect. ect.?
Meh, SW D20 has two revisions already, and they changed quite a bit in the second one. You don't see too many people bitching about that. There will be some people not "upgrading", but probably just because they're content with their current version and don't need to spend more money. Not all Star Wars fans/players buy everything that comes out for the system. Which is something WEG didn't quite realize...
It takes a while to build up the total immunity to innovation that seems to be the hallmark of rabid old-school D&D players. Search your feelings.
In my experience, no one played the original SW d20 after revised came out. I expect it'll be largely the same except for the fact that d20 Revised has had years to get on people's shelves. That level of market penetration will likely result in it sticking around longer.
Well, I don't want to go into the scientific details, but the power of Natalie Portman's boobies
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/3/34/17650_lg.jpg)
is insignificant compared to Darth Vader threatening to choke you if you don't buy WotC's newest offering.
(http://www.wizards.com/global/images/starwars_article_rpgsagaed_pic1_en.jpg)
(Yes, it seems to be square. Eat your heart out, Nobilis!)
I think SW D20 (the non-Saga editions) is only really worth it for my twacked-out idea of using it for a Star Wars / D&D crossover.
Otherwise, I think everyone else is pretty much going to pass it by for the new edition, stick with D6, or play the old edition only because they're too broke or uninformed to get the new one.
That new cover is sharp. Reminds me of the blue Vader head cover from D6 - I loved that cover.
Quote from: C.W.RichesonThat new cover is sharp. Reminds me of the blue Vader head cover from D6 - I loved that cover.
Sadly I only have R&E now (and both D20 editions) but one visual sticks with me from those glorious WEG days:
The inside-cover two-page spread in full color of Darth Vader gesturing to Luke on the railing at Cloud City.
Damn, what a beautiful, simple choice of artwork that was.
Quote from: RedFoxI think SW D20 (the non-Saga editions) is only really worth it for my twacked-out idea of using it for a Star Wars / D&D crossover.
Over at the Monte Cook boards, someone is playing Star Wars / CoC D20 cross over. This sounds like an avalance of tiny orgasms, all wrapped in tentacly goodness.
Quote from: SosthenesOver at the Monte Cook boards, someone is playing Star Wars / CoC D20 cross over. This sounds like an avalance of tiny orgasms, all wrapped in tentacly goodness.
I may have to do that for an encore! I have the CoC D20 book but I don't think I could convince anyone here to play it straight.
Quote from: SosthenesOver at the Monte Cook boards, someone is playing Star Wars / CoC D20 cross over. This sounds like an avalance of tiny orgasms, all wrapped in tentacly goodness.
That does sound cool. They're pretty far removed from compatibility, however. You'd probably be best off just using Star Wars and throwing in any Lovecraft material.
*thinks*
Yeah, that sounds really cool. But then I want to inject X-Files or CoC elements into most games I run at some point.
Quote from: SosthenesWell, I don't want to go into the scientific details, but the power of Natalie Portman's boobies
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/3/34/17650_lg.jpg)
is insignificant compared to Darth Vader threatening to choke you if you don't buy WotC's newest offering.
(http://www.wizards.com/global/images/starwars_article_rpgsagaed_pic1_en.jpg)
(Yes, it seems to be square. Eat your heart out, Nobilis!)
Yes, but you didn't notice that we have Princess Leias boobies on the same picture! Since she (according to maxim) was voted the #1 sexiest woman (Sci-FI/Comic catagory) and Natalie Portmans character was no where to be seen in the top 10...well.
But yeah, the new cover really does it for me. There has been talk about the apparent squarness of the cover on other boards, but I think it has been confirmed that it is actualy standard book shape. Most of the square pictures seem a bit stretched to me, so it's no shock.
I'm just glad it wasn't one of the goofy new DV shots. You know, the ones with the skinny kid inside and the obviously oversized shoulder pads.:rolleyes:
I really REALLY wanted to like d6 Star Wars. So much support material, and a setting I love.
But that system was just bland. Character generation was blech, and while it all worked, the system in play was boring to me too.
Quote from: RPGObjects_chuckI really REALLY wanted to like d6 Star Wars. So much support material, and a setting I love.
But that system was just bland. Character generation was blech, and while it all worked, the system in play was boring to me too.
The only real problem I had with D6 was the fact that the system called for a lot of square peg into round hole rules because of the games core system. Sometimes to make a rule jive with the core system it ended up being more complicated than a simple sub-system would have been (IMHO).
Quote from: grubmanThe only real problem I had with D6 was the fact that the system called for a lot of square peg into round hole rules because of the games core system. Sometimes to make a rule jive with the core system it ended up being more complicated than a simple sub-system would have been (IMHO).
Funny, the main strength D6 has for me is that the entire system is extremely well-integrated. Almost nothing is counter-intuitive, and everything works off the same general principle (D6 dice pools, rated on the three pip scale, versus a TN). The most complicated part is the scaling mechanic, which went through a couple of revisions.
Truly, the only warts I really saw with it had to do with one or two fringe bits that annoyed me. "Proud nails" as they were. The Wild Die issue I stated upthread, the blaster-proof wookiee problem were about the sum total. Everything else was quite elegant.
Quote from: RPGPunditD6 sucks. Its like 14 less than D20. What else needs to be said?
RPGPundit
But....
it's 14 more complex, so I'd say d20 has the suckage
Quote from: grubmanYes, but you didn't notice that we have Princess Leias boobies on the same picture! Since she (according to maxim) was voted the #1 sexiest woman (Sci-FI/Comic catagory) and Natalie Portmans character was no where to be seen in the top 10...well.
Damn uppity kids are always trying to outshine their parents!
Is Star Wars D6 being replaced?
No. Those people who are fans of Star Wars D6 will still play it and those people who like the D20 version will play that.
We can all play the SW game of our choice and live in harmony with eachother.
Quote from: David RI'm part of the old school crowd that had my interest renewed when the prequels came out
Me too, and I liked the prequels just because they added more of a broader look at the SW universe. I ran three different games using SW WEG d6 from the time the Phantom Menace came out to just last year (the last campaign set c.100 years post RotJ was by far the best). I think the main reason none us switched to d20 was that we all knew the d6 rules inside out. Any problems we had with it had long ago been houseruled.
Pete
Quote from: Blue DevilIs Star Wars D6 being replaced?
No. Those people who are fans of Star Wars D6 will still play it and those people who like the D20 version will play that.
We can all play the SW game of our choice and live in harmony with eachother.
This really wasn't supposed to be yet another D6 vs D20 thread, it just seems to me that a lot of fans/players of the D6 system are loosing interest (for whatever reasons) while d20/saga/SWCMG has captured a large audience of older players while newer players probably don't even know about the D6 version.
All I'm saying is that when D20 came out it was a split camp all the way. Now it seems more like d20/saga has the official spot of being THE Star Wars game to play, while SW D6 takes that honored spot of "has been" games along with many of the other games we all know and love...but don't play anymore. V&V is my favorite supers game...but I play M&M because it's really a better system, is in print, and I have no problem finding people to play it. Basic D&D is my favorite version of D&D...but I play 3.5 for the same reason I play M&M. The list goes on and on.
Quote from: grubmanThis really wasn't supposed to be yet another D6 vs D20 thread, it just seems to me that a lot of fans/players of the D6 system are loosing interest (for whatever reasons) while d20/saga/SWCMG has captured a large audience of older players while newer players probably don't even know about the D6 version.
All I'm saying is that when D20 came out it was a split camp all the way. Now it seems more like d20/saga has the official spot of being THE Star Wars game to play, while SW D6 takes that honored spot of "has been" games along with many of the other games we all know and love...but don't play anymore. V&V is my favorite supers game...but I play M&M because it's really a better system, is in print, and I have no problem finding people to play it. Basic D&D is my favorite version of D&D...but I play 3.5 for the same reason I play M&M. The list goes on and on.
OK, I probably worded a few things poorly in this post, so let me clarify. I'm generalizing when I say things like "but don't play anymore". I
know people still do play Star Wars D6, but like Peter said, they are people who have been playing it for years, NOT new players, new players (generally) play D20 (Star Wars). Not many of us older players stick around, and D6 was from our generation. As we fall off the face of the gaming earth games from our generation will become more of a novilty than they already are.
Quote from: grubmanThis really wasn't supposed to be yet another D6 vs D20 thread, it just seems to me that a lot of fans/players of the D6 system are loosing interest (for whatever reasons) while d20/saga/SWCMG has captured a large audience of older players while newer players probably don't even know about the D6 version.
All I'm saying is that when D20 came out it was a split camp all the way. Now it seems more like d20/saga has the official spot of being THE Star Wars game to play, while SW D6 takes that honored spot of "has been" games along with many of the other games we all know and love...but don't play anymore. V&V is my favorite supers game...but I play M&M because it's really a better system, is in print, and I have no problem finding people to play it. Basic D&D is my favorite version of D&D...but I play 3.5 for the same reason I play M&M. The list goes on and on.
You answered your own question.
Its all about availability.
One reason FASERIP was never replaced as *the* Marvel game is because, even when SAGA was available, most of the FASERIP books could be downloaded for free.
If D6 books were still reasonably available as even PDF downloads, it could well be a different story.
As new gamers join the hobby, of course they're going to flock to what's readily available...and some of them will decide to look back and see what came before, and try to hunt those up...but most will be happy with the NewAndShiny.
Quote from: RedFoxI think D6's problem was reversed. It wasn't that the PCs couldn't be as cool as the main characters, it was more that the main characters were over-statted. The NPC write-ups were really over-generous. Moreover, they should've given out pre-generated movie character sheets so that you could jump right into the game playing Luke, Han, and company.
To not do that was a real mistake, IMO. And one that D20 did not correct.
IIRC, Star Wars D20 did have write ups of the main characters, and there was some debate if they could be made in the system legally.
As for the overstatting, I'd say that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, with the main characters being far more powerful than any PC could become in a reasonable time. It enforced the notion that it was the NPCs who were important in the world, not the PCs (and that's leaving aside the feeling that PCs really needed to be built on double the points to be reasonably viable). The adventure modules I recall looking at also enforced this attitude, with the PCs basically doing support missions (Oh wow, you get to arrange for the delivery of the B-wing. Joy.).
Quote from: RedFoxI think D6's problem was reversed. It wasn't that the PCs couldn't be as cool as the main characters, it was more that the main characters were over-statted. The NPC write-ups were really over-generous. Moreover, they should've given out pre-generated movie character sheets so that you could jump right into the game playing Luke, Han, and company.
To not do that was a real mistake, IMO. And one that D20 did not correct.
IIRC, Star Wars D20
did have write ups of the main characters, and there was some debate if they could be made in the system legally.
As for the overstatting, I'd say that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, with the main characters being far more powerful than any PC could become in a reasonable time. It enforced the notion that it was the NPCs who were important in the world, not the PCs (and that's leaving aside the feeling that PCs really needed to be built on double the points to be reasonably viable). The adventure modules I recall looking at also enforced this attitude, with the PCs basically doing support missions (Oh wow, you get to arrange for the delivery of the B-wing. Joy.).
Quote from: grubmanOK, I probably worded a few things poorly in this post, so let me clarify. I'm generalizing when I say things like "but don't play anymore". I know people still do play Star Wars D6, but like Peter said, they are people who have been playing it for years, NOT new players, new players (generally) play D20 (Star Wars). Not many of us older players stick around, and D6 was from our generation. As we fall off the face of the gaming earth games from our generation will become more of a novilty than they already are.
Ok well let me state it this way. Do I think Star Wars D20 is going to replace Star Wars D6?
Who Knows?
The hurdles that the new version of Star Wars D20 has to overcome is this:
1) The interest kind of slid on Star Wars D20 when WOTC stopped really putting things out for it. I have heard many complaints about this. People who played Star Wars D20 got discouraged and started playing other things (Not all Star Wars D20 players, but it sounds like a great deal did).
2) D20 is slowing down as far as whole, people are getting burned out with it and playing other things (don't get me wrong, it's still popular)
3) The last movie came out awhile ago and I think if they had timed the new version around the last movie they would have done really well. They may sell well, but not as well as if they had released it around the time of the last movie.
4) Star Wars D20 won't replace Star Wars D6 for people like me (and I am not the only one) who do not like D20 and will not play D20.
Only time will tell if it will replace the D6 version and to be honest, why does it need to replace it?
Quote from: Blue Devil3) The last movie came out awhile ago and I think if they had timed the new version around the last movie they would have done really well. They may sell well, but not as well as if they had released it around the time of the last movie.
Regarding timing...
The book is being released on the thirtieth anniversary of the first film. Lucas has a series of Star Wars celebrations planned for the rest of the month, and I don't doubt that there will be more information about the Star Wars TV show coming during one of the celebrations. Maybe even an announcement of Episode 7. :)
Quote from: ElectroKittyRegarding timing...
The book is being released on the thirtieth anniversary of the first film. Lucas has a series of Star Wars celebrations planned for the rest of the month, and I don't doubt that there will be more information about the Star Wars TV show coming during one of the celebrations. Maybe even an announcement of Episode 7. :)
Yeah, you are right about that. I like the Star Wars Movies but I am not a superfan (like a friend of mine who has the lightsaber, the jedi outfit, etc).
Those are things I didn't really take into consideration. I stand corrected
Quote from: Blue DevilOnly time will tell if it will replace the D6 version and to be honest, why does it need to replace it?
Just musing, really. My SO often accuses me of overanalizing things. I often take a simple thought and ponder it for days....which is why forums are a perfect place for me.:crazy:
I just don't see the point really. And I don't see it happening. The crowd over at the Rancor Pit isn't going to stop playing D6 just because saga edition's coming out. It's not a replacement for D6 in any way that I can tell. If you dig on D6 you'll still play it. Heck, I do and will. I'll probably also buy and play the heck out of saga edition too. But I'm one of those weirdos who likes both versions (and has run it using Savage Worlds as well!).
I think Grub's saying that he's had time to ponder his thoughts as well as our own. Am I right Grub?
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I think Grub's saying that he's had time to ponder his thoughts as well as our own. Am I right Grub?
Pondering is always more fun with a group...even if half of the ponderies think you're nuts. :)
Quote from: grubmanJust musing, really. My SO often accuses me of overanalizing things. I often take a simple thought and ponder it for days....which is why forums are a perfect place for me.:crazy:
Grubman,
That is a reasonable enough answer. I was just curious why you were asking this.
If you are just musing then that's fine.
Quote from: RedFoxThe crowd over at the Rancor Pit isn't going to stop playing D6 just because saga edition's coming out.
Fox,
The folks over at the Rancor pit damn well will stop playing D6 when the Saga system comes out, at least if the game police have any say in it. There will be kicked down doors, a bonfire of Star Wars D6 books 3 stories high! People will be roasting marshmellows and singing songs.
Oh wait, there is no game police.
My Bad, Moving on :D
Burning Star Wars books would be pretty hard to do, anyway. Not many left after three prequels...
Quote from: grubmanJust musing, really. My SO often accuses me of overanalizing things. I often take a simple thought and ponder it for days....which is why forums are a perfect place for me.:crazy:
I often use forums and chat rooms as a sort of sounding board, where all I'm really doing is repeating my ideas in text, to help strengthen whatever I thought in the first place.
I think it frustrates the audience sometimes though, especially on #rpgnet, because often times I'll share an idea, so of course people chime in with their thoughts and suggestions, only to have me shoot them all down, because all I'm really doing is help make up my mind, something I often have a hard time with.
The sad/great thing (depending upon your view) of the new edition coming out is going to the be the "edition dump" by the ones who must play what is being published currently.
I say this because I'm sitting on two-three copies of Starships of the Galaxy (I really gotta dump these bitches, any takers?) and can easily get another one in addition to the Arms and Equipment Guide along with two Revised d20 Core books. The upcoming New Thing is going to glut up the used book market and blow my whole hoarding scheme to pieces. Thanks WOTC for ruining my kids' future. Assholes.
Quote from: Blue DevilGrubman,
That is a reasonable enough answer. I was just curious why you were asking this.
If you are just musing then that's fine.
Well, it's not really that I was trying to say everyone playing D6 should replace it with Saga (as such)...I guess I was just saying that has enough time passed since D6, and have enough of the hardcore players died off, and have enough converts come over to D20/Saga, and have enough new bloods who never heard or or care about D6 entered the picture... that we can now consider (when it comes out) Saga to be
THE Star Wars RPG? Will we (as a gaming community) finally be able to say, I was playing the Star Wars RPG...and have everyone know we are talking about Saga?
I mean, when someone says, "I was playing D&D last night..." we all pretty much take for granted they are talking about 3.5, not basic or AD&D 2nd ed.
Quote from: DangerThe sad/great thing (depending upon your view) of the new edition coming out is going to the be the "edition dump" by the ones who must play what is being published currently.
I say this because I'm sitting on two-three copies of Starships of the Galaxy (I really gotta dump these bitches, any takers?) and can easily get another one in addition to the Arms and Equipment Guide along with two Revised d20 Core books. The upcoming New Thing is going to glut up the used book market like hell and blow my whole hoarding scheme to pieces.
Danger,
Have you tried Ebay?
The reason I say that is because there are going to be people out there who are happy with what they have and aren't going to run out and get the latest edition of the book.
They may be missing that resource and may be more then happy to take it off your hands.
Quote from: grubmanWell, it's not really that I was trying to say everyone playing D6 should replace it with Saga (as such)...I guess I was just saying that has enough time passed since D6, and have enough of the hardcore players died off, and have enough converts come over to D20/Saga, and have enough new bloods who never heard or or care about D6 entered the picture... that we can now consider (when it comes out) Saga to be THE Star Wars RPG? Will we (as a gaming community) finally be able to say, I was playing the Star Wars RPG...and have everyone know we are talking about Saga?
Do I think that is going to happen? No. Because like I said there are people out there who refuse to play D20 (I happen to be one of them, but I don't begrudge people who enjoy it) and there are people who like D6.
There wont be a replacement, just two camps playing two different games.
Quote from: grubmanI mean, when someone says, "I was playing D&D last night..." we all pretty much take for granted they are talking about 3.5, not basic or AD&D 2nd ed.
I have heard of a number of people who prefer AD&D 2nd edition over 3.5 so you shouldn't always take that for granted. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Quote from: DangerThe sad/great thing (depending upon your view) of the new edition coming out is going to the be the "edition dump" by the ones who must play what is being published currently.
I say this because I'm sitting on two-three copies of Starships of the Galaxy (I really gotta dump these bitches, any takers?) and can easily get another one in addition to the Arms and Equipment Guide along with two Revised d20 Core books. The upcoming New Thing is going to glut up the used book market like hell and blow my whole hoarding scheme to pieces.
Actually right now is the time to sell (IMHO) people are so excited about the new edition coming out they are buying anything (sometimes for crazy prices) to tide them over. I saw the same thing with Warhammer Fantasy RP right before the 2nd ed came out. Those old 1st edition adventures were selling for $50-$100. Then when the 2nd edition actually came out they all dropped back down to $20 or so.
People are funny.
Quote from: Blue DevilI have heard of a number of people who prefer AD&D 2nd edition over 3.5 so you shouldn't always take that for granted. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
you're nitpicking, but I think you know what I'm trying to say (deep down).
I, too, come here to ponder.
Or ask questions.
Or goof off.
Mostly, uh, mostly to goof off.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I, too, come here to ponder.
Or ask questions.
Or goof off.
Mostly, uh, mostly to goof off.
Forums keep me sane, talking about RPGs with "real" people is just boreing. The average role player only has an opinion on a handfull of games for starters. Then they either don't have the stones to argue their point to your face, or their opinion is so set in stone that they won't listen to your counter points.
It's even hard to talk about stuff in your own circle, because you don't want to bounce ideas off of your players and give them a heads up to what you are thinking about.
I bounce ideas off of my fellow players all the time. It's great. Most of my ideas evolve drastically when they hit the table anyway, so it's fun to get their input and gauge their enthusiasm.
And I love shooting the roleplaying shit with people in real life. It's a hobby, so I chat about it with other hobbyists. I don't follow gridiron or anything, so that's what I talk about. ;)
I also chat up stuff on messageboards, mainly out of boredom but occasionally because I really want to dig in and pick the brains of folks with a lot of diverse backgrounds and viewpoints.
I mean, fuck. Do you realize how great the internet is? It's brilliant! I can chat with a dude from new zealand about playing a goddamn elf with my buds, and I can do it every damn day. And hey, that lady from japan might chime in. Or that crazy bastard from brazil.
I mean that shit still amazes me.
Quote from: grubmanForums keep me sane,
Wow, that's. . .not something I've ever heard anyone say. :woop: :insane: :woop: :insane: