I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this or not. On DTRPG, I had DMR2 Creature Catalog PoD in my wishlist for an after-Christmas purchase. It had been there for about three weeks or so I guess. I got a little spending money and wanted to pick up that and a couple of GAZ I'm missing.

It is for some reason no longer available as a PoD. Anyone aware of when this happened or why?

Disappointment is high. B/X or AD&D2E stuff has been all I will buy from WotC for about a year and a half now.

I'm afraid we've been living in the times of, "if you want it, you better go ahead and get it"; for a little while now, without realizing it.  Get hard copies of the stuff you really want.  Perhaps you can pick stuff up on the used market?

Quote from: Jam The MF on December 21, 2021, 03:06:53 PM
I'm afraid we've been living in the times of, "if you want it, you better go ahead and get it"; for a little while now, without realizing it.  Get hard copies of the stuff you really want.  Perhaps you can pick stuff up on the used market?

I suppose I'll have to...not really liking the prices I'm seeing for used copies though, when iirc the PoD was $20.00 or less. Sucks

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
It is for some reason no longer available as a PoD. Anyone aware of when this happened or why?

So either Lightning Source changed their format or pricing enough and the old version wasn't viable. Or they thought it was good enough quality but it turned out it wasn't and they pulled it. In either case it goes back into the PoD queue they use at Wizards and they will get to it when they get to it.

For example if it was small enough for saddle stitched or used one of the color formats that got decepreatied.

If you make a print version, the SJWs can't go back and censor it later.

What they'll eventually want is everything on a PDF cloud drive, you don't get to actually own any books, and they can edit the content or delete entire books at any time.

Quote from: RPGPundit on December 21, 2021, 04:35:34 PM
If you make a print version, the SJWs can't go back and censor it later.

What they'll eventually want is everything on a PDF cloud drive, you don't get to actually own any books, and they can edit the content or delete entire books at any time.

More than likely. Which is why I don't do Beyond, and the 5E books that I do have (PHB, DMG, MM, Volo's, XGtE) are all original first print runs - heck all three of the core books I have name Pundit and Zak as consultants. And the 5E PDFs are the only books on PDF that I've not bought and paid for that I own. I could print those should the need arise.

But I'm just not sure if I even want to keep the books anymore. I'm almost of a mind to sell them.

Why are you giving money to people who hate you? Either get it on the secondary market or sail the high seas.

Quote from: kreegan on December 21, 2021, 05:59:33 PM
Why are you giving money to people who hate you? Either get it on the secondary market or sail the high seas.

Indeed. The latter is quite what I've already done with the 5E books that I've acquired beyond the core. The former is what I'll have to do for my B/X fix for Creature Catalog if I do decide I want to get it.

I'm considering moving my fantasy gaming entirely towards C&C, and selling off all my 5E stuff, at this point.

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 06:08:39 PM

Quote from: kreegan on December 21, 2021, 05:59:33 PM
Why are you giving money to people who hate you? Either get it on the secondary market or sail the high seas.

Indeed. The latter is quite what I've already done with the 5E books that I've acquired beyond the core. The former is what I'll have to do for my B/X fix for Creature Catalog if I do decide I want to get it.

I'm considering moving my fantasy gaming entirely towards C&C, and selling off all my 5E stuff, at this point.

That would be a wise choice.  You could still use your D&D stuff with C&C and support a company that, to date at least, has resisted the woke mob.  And they just released new versions of their core three books and they have a new omnibus spellbook & CK screen dropping next month so it's a good time to do the switch.

Quote from: estar on December 21, 2021, 03:22:41 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
It is for some reason no longer available as a PoD. Anyone aware of when this happened or why?

So either Lightning Source changed their format or pricing enough and the old version wasn't viable. Or they thought it was good enough quality but it turned out it wasn't and they pulled it. In either case it goes back into the PoD queue they use at Wizards and they will get to it when they get to it.

For example if it was small enough for saddle stitched or used one of the color formats that got decepreatied.

This, most likely. DTRPG has actually been pretty open about this in the past, pulling books because people reported significant errors or because the quality of the scan was considered poor.

Quote from: Pat on December 21, 2021, 10:51:03 PM

Quote from: estar on December 21, 2021, 03:22:41 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
It is for some reason no longer available as a PoD. Anyone aware of when this happened or why?

So either Lightning Source changed their format or pricing enough and the old version wasn't viable. Or they thought it was good enough quality but it turned out it wasn't and they pulled it. In either case it goes back into the PoD queue they use at Wizards and they will get to it when they get to it.

For example if it was small enough for saddle stitched or used one of the color formats that got decepreatied.

This, most likely. DTRPG has actually been pretty open about this in the past, pulling books because people reported significant errors or because the quality of the scan was considered poor.

Talislanta called to dispute this argument, lol.

I've gone so far as to arrange better scans by far than any that existed of the 2E and especially 3E Talislanta products, and those who claimed responsibility for updating Talislanta files on DTRPG have yet to update those files. The project to complete those scans, assemble those files, and bookmark them was completed in I want to say February of this year or so.  DTRPG is aware that the cleaner files exist. The file for the PoD of the Talislanta Guidebook was and remains to this date horrifically bad, other less so but still of inferior quality. But you will find the files I assisted in putting together of the books from those editions on the official Talislanta site as PDFs.

Quote from: Persimmon on December 21, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
That would be a wise choice.  You could still use your D&D stuff with C&C and support a company that, to date at least, has resisted the woke mob.  And they just released new versions of their core three books and they have a new omnibus spellbook & CK screen dropping next month so it's a good time to do the switch.

I've backed all of those new C&C releases except the omnibus spell book you mention, which I had not heard of!

I had a weird idea to set my C&C game in Mystara.

Quote from: Dropbear on December 22, 2021, 06:13:15 AM

Quote from: Pat on December 21, 2021, 10:51:03 PM

Quote from: estar on December 21, 2021, 03:22:41 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
It is for some reason no longer available as a PoD. Anyone aware of when this happened or why?

So either Lightning Source changed their format or pricing enough and the old version wasn't viable. Or they thought it was good enough quality but it turned out it wasn't and they pulled it. In either case it goes back into the PoD queue they use at Wizards and they will get to it when they get to it.

For example if it was small enough for saddle stitched or used one of the color formats that got decepreatied.

This, most likely. DTRPG has actually been pretty open about this in the past, pulling books because people reported significant errors or because the quality of the scan was considered poor.

Talislanta called to dispute this argument, lol.

I've gone so far as to arrange better scans by far than any that existed of the 2E and especially 3E Talislanta products, and those who claimed responsibility for updating Talislanta files on DTRPG have yet to update those files. The project to complete those scans, assemble those files, and bookmark them was completed in I want to say February of this year or so.  DTRPG is aware that the cleaner files exist. The file for the PoD of the Talislanta Guidebook was and remains to this date horrifically bad, other less so but still of inferior quality. But you will find the files I assisted in putting together of the books from those editions on the official Talislanta site as PDFs.

DriveThru isn't the controller of the timeline around updates.  It's the publisher with the current rights to the material.

Quote from: Palleon on December 22, 2021, 06:37:04 AM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 22, 2021, 06:13:15 AM

Quote from: Pat on December 21, 2021, 10:51:03 PM

Quote from: estar on December 21, 2021, 03:22:41 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on December 21, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
It is for some reason no longer available as a PoD. Anyone aware of when this happened or why?

So either Lightning Source changed their format or pricing enough and the old version wasn't viable. Or they thought it was good enough quality but it turned out it wasn't and they pulled it. In either case it goes back into the PoD queue they use at Wizards and they will get to it when they get to it.

For example if it was small enough for saddle stitched or used one of the color formats that got decepreatied.

This, most likely. DTRPG has actually been pretty open about this in the past, pulling books because people reported significant errors or because the quality of the scan was considered poor.

Talislanta called to dispute this argument, lol.

I've gone so far as to arrange better scans by far than any that existed of the 2E and especially 3E Talislanta products, and those who claimed responsibility for updating Talislanta files on DTRPG have yet to update those files. The project to complete those scans, assemble those files, and bookmark them was completed in I want to say February of this year or so.  DTRPG is aware that the cleaner files exist. The file for the PoD of the Talislanta Guidebook was and remains to this date horrifically bad, other less so but still of inferior quality. But you will find the files I assisted in putting together of the books from those editions on the official Talislanta site as PDFs.

DriveThru isn't the controller of the timeline around updates.  It's the publisher with the current rights to the material.

I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing that DTRPG will pull poor quality files from PoD production. I mean, all you have to do is view the preview of Talislanta Guidebook to see what I'm referring to in my dispute of that. That book alone is one of, if not the, most poorly-scanned products that I've ever seen there.

Quote from: Dropbear on December 22, 2021, 06:16:09 AM

Quote from: Persimmon on December 21, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
That would be a wise choice.  You could still use your D&D stuff with C&C and support a company that, to date at least, has resisted the woke mob.  And they just released new versions of their core three books and they have a new omnibus spellbook & CK screen dropping next month so it's a good time to do the switch.

I've backed all of those new C&C releases except the omnibus spell book you mention, which I had not heard of!

I had a weird idea to set my C&C game in Mystara.

The spell book in question was part of the Castles & Crusades Roads to Adventure kickstarter which is running behind and shipping separate from the PHB and other items.