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Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: RPGPundit on February 26, 2010, 07:42:28 AM
Can you honestly say that you've been, on some occasion, treated badly for being a gamer? Persecuted? Turned down for for a date, or a job? Looked down upon or mocked?

If so, please give examples.

RPGPundit
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Warthur on February 26, 2010, 08:22:35 AM
People give me odd looks at first if I'm explaining my hobby to them, but then I just reassure them it's not the same as World of Warcraft and they're relieved.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Zachary The First on February 26, 2010, 08:28:09 AM
There's usually a bit of head-scratching at work when I first tell them, but it turns ou usually they think I'm talking about LARPing.  Once I explain the difference, it's just treated as a quirk.  Some folks have become interested in trying it out.

So, no, not really.

...Although I do feel some folks in our church are less than happy about it.  nothing particular, just a general feeling.  But they've never said a word to me.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Joey2k on February 26, 2010, 08:35:08 AM
My wife pokes fun at nerds who play nerd games, though she believes I am the exception to this stereotype.  Not serious mockery, as she has no problem with my gamer friends either (at least no problems related to gaming).  

The way gamers are portrayed in popular media doesn't help.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Abyssal Maw on February 26, 2010, 08:39:22 AM
I have a story. I don't know if I should tell it (I once posted about my divorce here and someone used that to try and score points against me on another site in some unrelated anti-4E bullshit). Because of the nature of this place I am hesitant to say too much.

Anyhow, the answer is yes, but I had the last laugh.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Sigmund on February 26, 2010, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;363129I have a story. I don't know if I should tell it (I once posted about my divorce here and someone used that to try and score points against me on another site in some unrelated anti-4E bullshit). Because of the nature of this place I am hesitant to say too much.

Anyhow, the answer is yes, but I had the last laugh.

Wow dude that's pretty shitty. I disagree with you all the time about 4e, but wouldn't even think of bringing personal shit like that into it, that's actually pretty pathetic. Can't say I blame ya for being hesitant.

As for the topic, like others, I can't really say I've ever directly encountered any kind of stigma or the like. Now what people may have thought and/or said behind my back I don't know, but then that's their problem anyway.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 26, 2010, 08:48:02 AM
No. Not in 33 years of RPGing, or in 8 years of wargaming before that.

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Abyssal Maw on February 26, 2010, 09:51:44 AM
After thinking about it, I guess I could strip out most of the really bad  details and tell it anyway:

This was about 8 years ago, 2000/2001 I think. (back before gaming was sort of geek chic, really) and I was still married. At that time you could google my name and see a lot of gaming related links and things that I had created and put online in various capacities. Gaming and art. I even had an elfwood gallery.

Someone (a gender studies professor, no less) who was interested in my (now ex wife) was trying to sabotage me and (as part of his modus operandi) was sending her emails that were trying to manipulate her a certain way, but also to portray me a certain way, using every stereotype in the book. Everything he could pull from google- all of my gaming stuff-- was used to show what a nerd I was.

This guy eventually was successful I guess. The emails later accidentally hit a misconfigured version of Outlook Express that pulled from a hotmail account she was using so I got to see them. Accidentally. Ouch.

However, the guy moved on pretty quickly, because it turns out he sort of preys on all of his students. For this person it was apparently all about the thrill of manipulation not so much the aftermath. The last I heard he had converted to christianity and was now working with youth ministries, and probably still up to the same old stuff. Watch out for your kids, people of Pasadena, California!

So wait, where's the good ending? The good ending is I ended with a girlfriend that is half the size, way hotter and plays a dragonborn warden.

(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs087.snc3/15435_199788089411_593439411_3008486_4380857_a.jpg)(she's 4th level now).

Suck it, haters! ;)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: boulet on February 26, 2010, 09:53:33 AM
Never felt the stigma.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Halfjack on February 26, 2010, 09:57:02 AM
Nothing concrete ever, no. I sense disapproval occasionally but I am not interested in disapproval except from a small circle of elites, and even then only in their subjects of expertise.

My wife calls me a gork but she smiles when she says it.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: jibbajibba on February 26, 2010, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;363149So wait, where's the good ending? The good ending is I ended with a girlfriend that is half the size, way hotter and plays a dragonborn warden.
 ;)


You should introduce her to roleplaying games she might like them as a break from 4e :)

Sounds like that guy was a player as you say.

I used to get a bit of game geek stick at school but as I was also captian of the rugby team, IC of PT in the school cadet force and a founder member of the school Karate club not many people said a lot to my face, well not twice :)

My wife gives me stick about it all of the time as do my mate's girlfriends. We will be playing and they would roll in from the pub and the usual gentle mocking that leads people to walk into a McDonalds with a MAC10 shouting 'NO I DO NOT WANT FRIES WITH THAT!' :D

I think it is fair to say that I mock gamers more often than I am mocked for being a gamer. I mean anyone that goes to GenCon wearing their stormtrooper outfit or dressed as a 300lb version of Legolas wants the attention right?
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Warthur on February 26, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
In conclusion, my friends:
(http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/haters-gonna-hate.gif)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Bedrockbrendan on February 26, 2010, 11:00:37 AM
I think persecution is too strong a word here, but I do believe there is a social stigma on being a gamer (that gaming is for losers, nerds, etc). I also think their is an assumption that gamers lack social skills.

In my personal experience, gaming has been an issue a few times. The first time it was an issue was when I was living in southern California in an area dominated by megachurches. Some folk at my church (which was a high episcopal and not a mega), prevented my father from showing the movie willow because they felt it was occult. Soon after that they learned that I played D&D and pressured my mother to stop me. This kept me out of gaming for about three years, when I finally convinced my mother that gaming was harmless (and when we were safely out of So Cal).

Another time I remember it being an issue was at a job, where my boss found out I freelanced some gaming material. I didn't lose my job or anything like that. But it was pretty clear to me she lost some respect for me, started looking at my actions through a different lens. She also kept asking me odd probing questions to find out how often I game and what we do exactly. At first it seemed like simple curiosity, but I eventually figured it was her trying figure out how strange of a hobby it was.

This thing isn't a specific event, but it is something most gamers probably experience. Gaming and dating. I think like most gamers, I don't discuss my gaming right away with someone I am interested in. All my stuff is out in the open at my house, so eventually it comes up, but my strategy has been to not really talk about it till I know the person better. But even here, I can't honestly gaming has ever created a problem when it comes to dating. After all, if a woman left me because she found out I was a gamer, that is someone I wouldn't want to be with anyways.

With friends who don't game, I have had some good natured ribbing. And the trick here is to stick up for yourself and strike back (in an equally good natured way). I think if you react with shame, people will feed on it. If your confident, and don't feel like you have to make excuses for your hobby people sense that and respect you for it.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: ggroy on February 26, 2010, 11:26:25 AM
In the past, I never really hung around gamer types socially.  Even today, I don't hang around gamer types outside of game sessions.  For the most part, the players/GMs in many of my games are either acquaintances or complete strangers.  None are close friends.  Once the game session is over, we leave our separate ways until the next session.

I've found over the years that very few people I've gamed with, shared the same interests as me (with the exception of tabletop rpg games).  For example, many people I've played rpgs with in the past showed a very great interest in stuff like:  Star Wars, Star Trek, science fiction, fantasy, manga, etc ... in the form of novels, movies, comic books, video games, etc ...  These days I don't have much interest in these things.  In contrast, the stuff that I do have a great interest in, just about every gamer type I personally know shows absolutely no interest in it.

I suppose I was never really "tarred" with the "gamer" label in the past (for lack of better description).  If I was "tarred" by a derogatory geeky label in the past, it would most likely be something like "mathematician" or "prodigy".
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Benoist on February 26, 2010, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;363149After thinking about it, I guess I could strip out most of the really bad  details and tell it anyway:
Wow. That's quite the story. I'm sorry for you, and glad you found a new relationship.
I wouldn't wish that kind of shit to happen to anyone.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: jibbajibba on February 26, 2010, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: ggroy;363174I suppose I was never really "tarred" with the "gamer" label in the past (for lack of better description).  If I was "tarred" by a derogatory geeky label in the past, it would most likely be something like "mathematician" or "prodigy".

Yeah the Prodigy really sold out after Firestarter.

I think I am the exact oposite position. All my mates I grew up with are gamers we have been playing for the last 30 years. We have occassionally tried other groups and generally found them wanting.

I myself am an ubergeek. Sad bits of information like the atomic weight of mercury jangle round my head with the number of references in the bible to slavery outweighing the referenced to the abomination of homesexuality by 43:1, 'There are four lights' (Jean-luc at his best), the entire script of Bladerunner vies for space with the image of that juke-box in Akira, the tales of John Constantine's years at Ravenwood butt up against episodes of Big Bang Theory.

Of course it helps that I am incredibly erudite and very pretty :D and of course English.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: ggroy on February 26, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: jibbajibba;363179Yeah the Prodigy really sold out after Firestarter.

I assume what you're referring to here is the band Prodigy and their song "Firestarter" from 1996.  (I never really listened to Prodigy).

I wasn't referring to "prodigy" in this sense.  I was referring to "prodigy" to that of a "child prodigy".

Quote from: jibbajibba;363179I think I am the exact oposite position. All my mates I grew up with are gamers we have been playing for the last 30 years. We have occassionally tried other groups and generally found them wanting.

Of the activities I'm interested in, I never really latched onto any groups for any long period of time.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: winkingbishop on February 26, 2010, 12:14:18 PM
I think the perception of the hobby from "outsiders" depends a lot on delivery.  I was never bashful when talking about gaming.  In early grade school I even brought a homemade RPG with me and ran a game during storytime or reading time or some other free-time nonsense.  I've owned being a bit geeky, and being forthright and honest about yourself seems to make people like you in a lot of social situations.

When I tell someone about gaming, I get enthusiastic about it.  Not frothing at the mouth or anything, but just happy to talk about it.  I think some people admire a person when they have a hobby, any hobby, and can talk about something other than work, the weather, whatever.  I've brought a lot of people into the hobby over the years and seen lots of other folks do it too.

The converse is also true.  I've seen some gamers talk about it as though they were convicts, or kept small children chained up in the basement.  Acting ashamed or nervous about being gamer sends signals to the outsider like what I do is not okay, you wound't understand.

It also helps to be Vin Diesel.  I've heard that works, but never pulled it off.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: jeff37923 on February 26, 2010, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;363149Someone (a gender studies professor, no less) who was interested in my (now ex wife) was trying to sabotage me and (as part of his modus operandi) was sending her emails that were trying to manipulate her a certain way, but also to portray me a certain way, using every stereotype in the book. Everything he could pull from google- all of my gaming stuff-- was used to show what a nerd I was.

Acknowledging all the times in which we go for each other's throat here, this is a depth of craptasticness and unnecessary personal emotional injury you did not deserve. I am glad that you now have a hawt girfriend who shares your enthusiasm for 4E.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Abyssal Maw on February 26, 2010, 01:05:50 PM
ha, well thanks ;) Seriously, to both you and Benoist.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Werekoala on February 26, 2010, 01:26:14 PM
A friend from a long time back had an expression he would use to explain how "outsiders" would view gamers, especially when we were out in a non-gaming setting and talking about a game or characters. He called it "posh eeffoc", the effect you get by being on one side of a window in a coffee shop where the letters made no sense, because you were on the other side. Basically, stating that your perspective of something that makes total sense when viewed from the right "angle" could be jumbled to the point it made no sense to you.

So, when we would be out talking about things our characters did, we wouldn't say "My character did so-n-so", we'd say "I did so-n-so"... and to those not familiar with the concept of RPGs, we would sound like assassins or criminals or lunatics, no doubt. We would get some looks, back in the day, let me tell ya.

Another bit of personal experience was the fact that my ex- never did really grasp the concept of "gaming" and the fact that I had the same group of friends my whole entire life that got together and did arcane and incomprehensible things (to her) made her really grow to dislike my friends. Note, of course, that if were sitting around drinking and playing poker on Saturday night that it would have been just peachy. The fact that a couple of them do have some interpersonal skills issues surely helped in her mental mischaracterizations. But I never stopped my weekly game, and I think it really helped lead to the eventual breakup (which I initated, thankfully). I also think she thought we were all barely-closeted homosexuals, which added more fuel to the fire.

Whee, isn't being a gamer fun? :)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Benoist on February 26, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Abyssal Maw;363196ha, well thanks ;) Seriously, to both you and Benoist.
Seriously, and I mean that with the uttermost respect, this puts your whole feelings as to being persecuted by some of us under a new light. I understand much better where you're coming from, in this regard. So thanks for sharing this experience with us.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Abyssal Maw on February 26, 2010, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: Benoist;363201Seriously, and I mean that with the uttermost respect, this puts your whole feelings as to being persecuted by some of us under a new light. I understand much better where you're coming from, in this regard. So thanks for sharing this experience with us.

I never thought I was being persecuted. However, that experience (and some other events that happened around the same time) did change the way I think about divisionism and stigmatization within the hobby. I'm the first to admit it.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Benoist on February 26, 2010, 01:39:51 PM
*nod* I understand.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 26, 2010, 02:03:10 PM
I said before I have suffered no gaming stigma, but I *do* have gaming stigmata, the permanent impressions of dice in the palms of my hands. Anyone else have this problem?

/me raises hand hopefully

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Cranewings on February 26, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;363105Can you honestly say that you've been, on some occasion, treated badly for being a gamer? Persecuted? Turned down for for a date, or a job? Looked down upon or mocked?

If so, please give examples.

RPGPundit

One time I was talking to some random hippy girl in the health food section. We had been talking for about 5 minutes and I was pretty sure she was going to give me her number, when a friend of mine walked, practically in between us, and obliviously said, "Remember that time my character blah blah (loud laugh at self) blah blah." She kinda smiled and walked off.

Also, I work with a bunch of fire fighters and paramedics that don't game at all. A couple of them started asking if I take classes at Hogworts.

That's about it though.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: PaladinCA on February 26, 2010, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Cranewings;363212One time I was talking to some random hippy girl in the health food section. We had been talking for about 5 minutes and I was pretty sure she was going to give me her number, when a friend of mine walked, practically in between us, and obliviously said, "Remember that time my character blah blah (loud laugh at self) blah blah." She kinda smiled and walked off.

Did they find motor mouth floating in the river with a mechanical pencil sticking out of his left ear? :D
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 26, 2010, 06:11:10 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;363105Can you honestly say that you've been, on some occasion, treated badly for being a gamer? Persecuted? Turned down for for a date, or a job? Looked down upon or mocked?
Not really. We're not persecuted, we're obscure. If I tell people, they either look confused and had never heard of it, or they say, "hey! I played that in school, that was fun. I'd forgotten about that."

The only negative or mocking reaction I recall is two women, sisters - I knew them when I was a teenager, then saw them at the birthday of one a few years back. We'd not seen each-other for perhaps twenty years. One said with a smirk, "I remember you used to play Dungeons & Dragons and that, you were so eager about it, do you still do that? Haha." Real contempt in her voice.

The thing is that these two women, one had her marriage break up over her continued infidelity - she wanted an "open marriage", her husband wasn't so keen - the other over her alcoholism. So drunks and people with no impulse control disapprove of our hobby. Big deal.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: One Horse Town on February 26, 2010, 06:14:30 PM
Quote from: flyingmice;363210I said before I have suffered no gaming stigma, but I *do* have gaming stigmata, the permanent impressions of dice in the palms of my hands. Anyone else have this problem?

/me raises hand hopefully

-clash

I had the imprint of the dice on my forehead once when i fell asleep playing Shadowrun.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: David R on February 26, 2010, 06:54:24 PM
Double Post.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: David R on February 26, 2010, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: flyingmice;363210I said before I have suffered no gaming stigma, but I *do* have gaming stigmata, the permanent impressions of dice in the palms of my hands. Anyone else have this problem?

/me raises hand hopefully

-clash

GM as God, Gaming Stigmata.....is theRPGsite the Holiest of Holies ?

Edit: Everyone falls asleep playing Shadowrun, Dan.

Regards,
David R
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 26, 2010, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;363252I had the imprint of the dice on my forehead once when i fell asleep playing Shadowrun.

Just the once? I had a friend we used to call "waffleface"...

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 26, 2010, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: David R;363266GM as God, Gaming Stigmata.....is theRPGsite the Holiest of Holies ?

Regards,
David R

And only Pundit can cross beyond the veil...

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: One Horse Town on February 26, 2010, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: flyingmice;363278Just the once? I had a friend we used to call "waffleface"...

-clash

Huh, i wondered why i had the nickname "braille" for a while...
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Simlasa on February 26, 2010, 07:47:36 PM
There was a small dust-up over my high school D&D game... mostly because all of us were in the same Baptist youth group and one guy's parents were kind of zealots and... blah blah blah... a bunch of us were accused of 'leading him into sin' and ceased to be welcome in his house.
Same guy tossed out all his Pink Floyd records when his parents decided that the Gaelic on 'Several Species of Small Furry Animals... with a Pict' was some sort of 'Satanic' back-masking.

Gaming was also an issue for my recently exed girlfriend's pal who disliked me and lobbied against me with whatever she could find. If I'd been going out drinking and playing pool I would have been fine. There were some religious issues at play there as well.

I never felt 'persecuted' though... because it was always limited to a couple of idiots I didn't care crap about.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 26, 2010, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;363281Huh, i wondered why i had the nickname "braille" for a while...

What really sucks is when you wake up and need to roll the dice, and you've been drooling...

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: David R on February 26, 2010, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: flyingmice;363279And only Pundit can cross beyond the veil...

-clash

I like removing veils. Veils worn by nubile women....

Regards,
David R
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: One Horse Town on February 26, 2010, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: David R;363288I like removing veils. Veils worn by nubile women....

Regards,
David R

You never know, you might be in luck. Pundita has a certain ring to it...
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: David R on February 26, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
I always pictured the Pundit as a frustrated Muslim woman.

Regards,
David R
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: One Horse Town on February 26, 2010, 08:05:14 PM
Quote from: David R;363293I always pictured the Pundit as a frustrated Muslim woman.

Regards,
David R

Too much info! :teehee:
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 26, 2010, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: David R;363288I like removing veils. Veils worn by nubile women....

Regards,
David R

Veils worn by Egyptian Coptic dancer/spies!

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Tommy Brownell on February 26, 2010, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;363105Can you honestly say that you've been, on some occasion, treated badly for being a gamer? Persecuted? Turned down for for a date, or a job? Looked down upon or mocked?

If so, please give examples.

RPGPundit

Nope.  I usually just wind up fielding lots of questions from folks who are curious about RPGs but never knew anyone who openly admitted to playing.

I am who I am, and I tend to not put any effort into hiding that...except when I'm wrestling, but that's because people dig the mask...=P
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: ggroy on February 27, 2010, 03:29:13 AM
Very few of my close friends know that I play rpg games.  It's something I simply don't talk about, with people whom I know are not gamer types.  Talking about rpg games with non-gamers, is very much like trying to talk about football or basketball with people who have zero interest in football or basketball.  It's largely a waste of time.

There was one close friend I've known for over 20 years, who turned out was another gamer type who didn't talk about gaming with anybody.  (Our common interest was in something else completely unrelated).  I found this out from somebody else, who gamed with this person over the years.  All this time, me and this particular close friend were completely oblivious to one another's interest in rpg games.  His gaming circles didn't intersect much with many of my gaming circles.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 27, 2010, 04:41:33 AM
Which is why you should tell people about your hobbies. Because sometimes it'll turn out they share them, or used to share them.

I mean, sure, most people aren't interested in your hobbies. But most people aren't interested in anything about you. It's like when people say, "how are ya?" they don't really want a ten minute speech about it.

So they ask you about your hobbies, you tell them, if they're interested they can ask more, if not then that's that. No need to conceal it. I mean seriously, harden up.

Plus, you know... 20 years and you don't know what he does with his free time? Some "close friend". Just open up.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Tetsubo on February 27, 2010, 04:56:40 AM
I've had people that I was *more* odd once they knew I was a gamer. But they already thought I was odd.

I did have some conflict with my Mother during my teen years over gaming. Mostly because she saw it as a distraction from my school work. The real issue was that gaming held my interest and school work didn't. And I was chasing women as fast as I could run. Both women and gaming were (and are) more interesting than anything I view as 'work'.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: LordVreeg on February 27, 2010, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: ggroy;363358Very few of my close friends know that I play rpg games.  It's something I simply don't talk about, with people whom I know are not gamer types.  Talking about rpg games with non-gamers, is very much like trying to talk about football or basketball with people who have zero interest in football or basketball.  It's largely a waste of time.

There was one close friend I've known for over 20 years, who turned out was another gamer type who didn't talk about gaming with anybody.  (Our common interest was in something else completely unrelated).  I found this out from somebody else, who gamed with this person over the years.  All this time, me and this particular close friend were completely oblivious to one another's interest in rpg games.  His gaming circles didn't intersect much with many of my gaming circles.

WAY back, I took some grief.  Like, 1977, when I had started a little group at the school I was going to, and a few folk who already disliked me just added it to their heap of insults.

It certainly changed me, however.  After I changed schools, I just never let on to the world at large that I was a gamer.  I played just as much, I just never let the groups intersect.  Much, much later on, there was some cross-pollination from a nightclub performance group to the gaming groups, but that was after 6 years...so it takes me an awful long time to bring that part up.  Kyle's right, it doesn't help the hobby much, but I have always had a surplus of players, so the need to promote has rarely been on me.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: beejazz on February 27, 2010, 12:07:44 PM
I've never suffered a social stigma as the result of my gaming. I don't go out of my way to tell everyone the second I'm introduced, but I make no effort to hide it, and I do have a freebie D&D shirt I got at the 4e announcement I wear now and again, so everybody I know knows I game.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Benoist on February 27, 2010, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: Tetsubo;363369I've had people that I was *more* odd once they knew I was a gamer. But they already thought I was odd.

I did have some conflict with my Mother during my teen years over gaming. Mostly because she saw it as a distraction from my school work. The real issue was that gaming held my interest and school work didn't. And I was chasing women as fast as I could run. Both women and gaming were (and are) more interesting than anything I view as 'work'.
Heh. Sounds like a typical teenager to me. :)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: ggroy on February 27, 2010, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;363367Plus, you know... 20 years and you don't know what he does with his free time? Some "close friend". Just open up.

When I first met this guy, it turned out he was on a long hiatus away from gaming.  I was also on a long hiatus away from gaming at the time too.

We had other common interests, where we got to be close friends.  We played in an alternative/punk rock type band for 3 or 4 years, and partied a lot during that time period.  During that time and for years afterward, I never saw any D&D books (nor any other rpg) at his apartment or home.  All my rpg books were in storage during those years, since I wasn't playing at all at the time.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Aos on February 27, 2010, 12:38:34 PM
I had the usual crap in High School, but I haven't really dealt with anything since. However, I never bring it up to anyone, really. Most of the other guys who work for my top secret government lab have their own crazy hobbies, like growing people in vats, constructing power armor or AMWAY, so they're pretty tolerant.
Also, I am a chick magnet.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Pseudoephedrine on February 27, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
The only time I've ever experienced any sort of "stigma" is when people confuse roleplaying with LARPing. Actual roleplaying seems pretty comprehensible to most people I've spoken about it with once their confusion is cleared up.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: jibbajibba on February 27, 2010, 12:41:52 PM
Quote from: ggroy;363187I assume what you're referring to here is the band Prodigy and their song "Firestarter" from 1996.  (I never really listened to Prodigy).

I wasn't referring to "prodigy" in this sense.  I was referring to "prodigy" to that of a "child prodigy".

Those perhaps lacking a prodigious sense of humour..... :)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: flyingmice on February 27, 2010, 12:52:57 PM
Quote from: jibbajibba;363421Those perhaps lacking a prodigious sense of humour..... :)

Damn Americans!

-clash
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Cranewings on February 28, 2010, 12:08:18 AM
Quote from: PaladinCA;363245Did they find motor mouth floating in the river with a mechanical pencil sticking out of his left ear? :D

ha. He came close. (:
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: JollyRB on February 28, 2010, 04:13:27 AM
Never felt like I've been directly impacted by the stigma of gaming personally. If I have I've been blissfully unaware of it.

I will admit when my hometown paper where I grew up ran an announcement about an Origins Award we picked up a few years ago I found myself suddenly being embarrassed. One of my friends must have notified the paper and gave them some background for it read in part that I got into game publishing "after being introduced to Dungeons and Dragons in college."

That sort of rattled me for some reason.

"Oh my god. All the folks I went to high school with are going to know I played D&D!!"

My wife quickly pointed out I was a such dork in high school and nobody would think twice about it. ;)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Gruntfuttock on February 28, 2010, 05:20:52 AM
Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;363420The only time I've ever experienced any sort of "stigma" is when people confuse roleplaying with LARPing. Actual roleplaying seems pretty comprehensible to most people I've spoken about it with once their confusion is cleared up.

Umm...total opposite for me. People have asked if players dress up, and seem confused when told that you sit around a room just talking.

"But isn't there a board???"

Perhaps enough people have some exposure to Murder Mystery events for LARPing to seem more 'normal'?

Or perhaps I'm crap at explaining roleplaying?
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Shazbot79 on February 28, 2010, 08:59:26 AM
Never really experienced the whole negative gaming stigma...but that might be due to the fact that I discovered beer, drugs and girls quite a few years before I discovered D&D.

I should point out however, that I'm hardly an ambassador for the hobby. I tend to see it as a quirky idiosyncracy of mine that is shared by a relative few, and probably for good reason...so when asked about it, I'm generally vague and dismissive.

That, and I don't tend to like most other gamers that I meet in real life. I'm far more keen to talk about things like bands and filmmakers with people, so hearing someone blather about their character tends to make my eyes glaze over.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Imperator on February 28, 2010, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;363105Can you honestly say that you've been, on some occasion, treated badly for being a gamer? Persecuted? Turned down for for a date, or a job? Looked down upon or mocked?

If so, please give examples.

RPGPundit
No, it never happened to me or any person I know of. Around here in Spain gaming usually elicits educated curiosity, or indifference, IME.

I always speak openly about my hobbies (or any other topic about my life, actually). Never had any problem with that, and often people gets intrested in giving it a try.
Quote from: flyingmice;363210I said before I have suffered no gaming stigma, but I *do* have gaming stigmata, the permanent impressions of dice in the palms of my hands. Anyone else have this problem?

/me raises hand hopefully
-clash
I don't, because my girlfriend makes me use Neutrogena cream to keep them smooth.

AM: thanks for sharing your story. I'm happy it had a happy endng :)
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: shalvayez on February 28, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Well, being as my brother refuses to return my RPG books, and I got nothing to look at short of Nobilis, it's easy to hide my geekery. but, then again, I have a reputation for having a hot temper, and a willingness to kick ass, so I don't receive much shit from anybody.
 
 Furthermore, it's nice to see some of the personal rivalries set aside, and personal attacks set aside for the bloke who's relationship was damaged by outside influence. This site has a tendency to come together against people who are true shitheels (i.e. CavScout). I thank the people who rallied behind me when I had posted about my life falling apart after my coma in '08, and CavScout used that as a target.
 
But, looks like I gotta rebuild my collection. :(
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Allensh on February 28, 2010, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;363105Can you honestly say that you've been, on some occasion, treated badly for being a gamer? Persecuted? Turned down for for a date, or a job? Looked down upon or mocked?

If so, please give examples.

RPGPundit

In 1984 I was kicked out of a Christian fellowship house I was living in because I played RPGs :)

Allen
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Benoist on February 28, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: Allensh;363595In 1984 I was kicked out of a Christian fellowship house I was living in because I played RPGs :)

Allen
Whereas I was an organizer in a Catholic students organization back when I was in university, never made a secret of my geekery and love for role-playing games, in particular, and never received any lecture about this from any priest, deacon, or whatever the case may be.

I guess there are assholes everywhere, though.
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: LordVreeg on February 28, 2010, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: Benoist;363608Whereas I was an organizer in a Catholic students organization back when I was in university, never made a secret of my geekery and love for role-playing games, in particular, and never received any lecture about this from any priest, deacon, or whatever the case may be.

I guess there are assholes everywhere, though.

we should never, never underestimate the asshole population or the possibility of finding them everywhere...
Title: Social Stigma of Gaming?
Post by: Daniel on February 28, 2010, 06:07:59 PM
Actually,I do feel some stigma from time to time,being just 17, people of my age in Colombia usually think you suck if you re not drunk every Friday and Saturday getting laid with hot chicks.It s kinda sad,but I still do manage to get a partner from time to time and actually had a somewhat active social life,even thought I m now in Uruguay and kinda trying to rebuild everything from scratch.

As of getting picked on in Uruguay,nope.Not even for my "geek tendencies"