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More information on the contest there: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2014/02/announcing-so-you-want-to-be-osr.html
Is that representative of how "the OSR" defines itself these days? Is this an attempt at creating a sort of "opposite of Paizo" thing with its own "superstar" contest? Or is it tongue-in-cheek and I am just missing the joke?
That is just bizarre, to me.
A man has an idea. The idea attracts others, like-minded. The idea expands. The idea becomes an institution. . . . You know what they got now? OSR greeting cards. Isn't that precious? The idea has become the institution, boys. Time to move on.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Sell-outs
I don't see what the big deal is.
If a 10th of the talented people involved in the OSR would crank out original games that didn't use the OGL, now that would be a real "superstar" contest.
If a 10th of the talented people involved in the OSR would crank out original games that didn't use the OGL, now that would be a real "superstar" contest.
Quote from: Sacrosanct;733120I don't see what the big deal is.
I don't think there's a big deal here either. Enough to have a subject of conversation and ask a few questions about how others might perceive it or know about it? You bet.
It is cringe worthy public jerkoffery, imo. Also an attempt to fill the 'power' vacuum created by the absence of guys like Reints and J. Mal.
The originator has admitted on his blog that he posts threads about failed/late troubled Kickstarters because they get him hits. Chew on that for a minute.
There are some decent and cool people participating as far as I can tell, but the whole deal is repugnant to me.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733121If a 10th of the talented people involved in the OSR would crank out original games that didn't use the OGL, now that would be a real "superstar" contest.
I make junk for B/X because I play B/X; however, I have seriously considered making all my FRPG stuff system neutral. It just seems a little lazy, that's all. My maps and such are already pretty much system neutral. I'm not really interested in making games, though, OGL based or otherwise. I'm satisfied with what I have
Quote from: Gib;733126I make junk for B/X because I play B/X; however, I have seriously considered making all my FRPG stuff system neutral. It just seems a little lazy, that's all. My maps and such are already pretty much system neutral. I'm not really interested in making games, though, OGL based or otherwise. I'm satisfied with what I have
Hey, that's cool man.
I just think that there's a lack of games that aren't OGL/d20 based compared to the old days. It would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create something other than clones. I love games like D6, etc.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733127Hey, that's cool man.
I just think that there's a lack of games that aren't OGL/d20 based compared to the old days. It would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create something other than clones. I love games like D6, etc.
I hear you, ICONS is my other game of choice.
I don't get the complaints.
Why is having a contest repugnant? Because it's copying Paizo? Because he's giving out prizes?
How is this any different than say the open call for that Petty Gods project?
Quote from: Endless Flight;733127I love games like D6, etc.
+1 from me
Quote from: JeremyR;733130I don't get the complaints.
Why is having a contest repugnant? Because it's copying Paizo? Because he's giving out prizes?
How is this any different than say the open call for that Petty Gods project?
It is a bandwagon, which is repugnant
to me. I am not into joining or belonging. I'm a loose cannon who makes his own rules, man.
Quote from: Sacrosanct;733120I don't see what the big deal is.
Nor do I. It's a contest. People who like OSR gaming and contests will enter. People who aren't into one or the other will not. The name of the contest strikes me as a bit over the top, but then so does Paizo's.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733121If a 10th of the talented people involved in the OSR would crank out original games that didn't use the OGL, now that would be a real "superstar" contest.
I'm interesting in producing TSR-like old school games, so I use the OGLed SRD to do so. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel, after all.
However, even if I were to write a game that had nothing to do with a D&D-like gamesystem, I would still publish it as open game content under the OGL to that others could use it without having to reinvent the "wheel" I created. Why? Because I believe in open source. While I've never written a lot of computer software, every program I've written and released since the early 1990s has been released under an open source license of some type. If you want me to write computer software or tabletop RPGs that are not open source, you are going to have to hire me to do so with a very good wage and lots of benefits -- and zero limits on what I produce on my off hours.
Quote from: Gib;733126I make junk for B/X because I play B/X; however, I have seriously considered making all my FRPG stuff system neutral. It just seems a little lazy, that's all. My maps and such are already pretty much system neutral. I'm not really interested in making games, though, OGL based or otherwise. I'm satisfied with what I have
Flying Buffalo has a whole line of system neutral books out that can be dropped into about any fantasy game and run with it.
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Does superstar in this case translate to, "Dude forty people have heard of?"
Quote from: Brad;733147Does superstar in this case translate to, "Dude forty people have heard of?"
I think you are being too generous there...
I'm not sure it's possible to have more than TWO OSR superstars.
Quote from: Benoist;733123I don't think there's a big deal here either. Enough to have a subject of conversation and ask a few questions about how others might perceive it or know about it? You bet.
No, I meant I
quite literally can't see the big deal. I suspect it's because I'm missing something.
Oh, it seems that something was Paizo doing the same thing?
It's just a contest, you dickwads.
Quote from: Omega;733150I think you are being too generous there...
About forty people? Or someone youve heard of?:)
Quote from: Sacrosanct;733163No, I meant I quite literally can't see the big deal. I suspect it's because I'm missing something.
Oh, it seems that something was Paizo doing the same thing?
I am in the same camp. Definitely don't see the big deal.
Is there a dance-off?
Quote from: Omega;733150I think you are being too generous there...
There were almost 350 entries, so with 3 per person, that's at least 100...
Quote from: Imp;733174Is there a dance-off?
A walk-off.
It's a walk off.
Just a blog contest right?
If something usable and cool comes out of it, great. If not, whatever.
This seems like a fun contest.
Quote from: Gib;733132It is a bandwagon, which is repugnant to me. I am not into joining or belonging. I'm a loose cannon who makes his own rules, man.
I am not sure you can deem yourself a loose cannon. It is like giving yourself a badass nickname......
Quote from: zarathustra;733167It's just a contest, you dickwads.
Well said.
Quote from: Sacrosanct;733163No, I meant I quite literally can't see the big deal. I suspect it's because I'm missing something.
Oh, it seems that something was Paizo doing the same thing?
I think it is the whole OSR thing. "Be a superstar of un-creativity" as some view it.
That and the person hosting it seems to sometimes have minorly questionable motives?
Quote from: Omega;733201That and the person hosting it seems to sometimes have minorly questionable motives?
Oh, for Christ's sake. Eric Tenkar's a perfectly decent and reasonable bloke. His motive is to have a popular blog.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733127Hey, that's cool man.
I just think that there's a lack of games that aren't OGL/d20 based compared to the old days. It would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create something other than clones. I love games like D6, etc.
I'm not sure how many of the OSR are actually into a new system.
Quote from: zarathustra;733167It's just a contest, you dickwads.
The contest title is lame, but its a good idea. Anything that promotes creativity in the hobby is a good thing, regardless of system.
As for the OSR being a bandwagon, well yeah, but its been a fun bandwagon with the many interesting goodies, especially great free goodies.
Quote from: Omega;733201That and the person hosting it seems to sometimes have minorly questionable motives?
Huh? Eric Tenkar doesn't seem to have any weird or hidden motives to me. What have I missed?
Quote from: P&P;733210Oh, for Christ's sake. Eric Tenkar's a perfectly decent and reasonable bloke. His motive is to have a popular blog.
Erik Tenkar is a grave-dancing dickhead and one of like three people in the OSR community I have on actual block.
As long as people participating have fun, and the contest prize is given out as promised, I do not see an issue here. The name seems a little bit silly, but I think that is intentional.
I think Erik's a decent enough chap, and I feel it's kind of rich to decry someone for baiting blog traffic on a forum run by, you know, RPGPundit, but he's got an active account on these forums and he can defend himself if he wants to.
As for the contest itself, I always thought the "superstar" thing was a send-up of Paizo's own "RPG superstar" thingie, the title of which (1) suggests that all RPG-playing people buy, play and care about Paizo product and (2) suggests that more than ten people (Brad's forty sounds too generous for me too) even remember who the fuck writes these modules. In Paizo's case I do think it's a vaguely dickish appellation but the contest itself's okay, I guess.
Quote from: Black Vulmea;733116A man has an idea. The idea attracts others, like-minded. The idea expands. The idea becomes an institution. . . . You know what they got now? OSR greeting cards. Isn't that precious? The idea has become the institution, boys. Time to move on.
Great movie.
Sometimes the main point is to have fun. Sometime you say "Hey! Let's do X" and get nothing but deafening silence. On the other hand sometimes you get "Yay let's do it!". The OSR Superstar contest is the "Yeah Lets do it category".
Is Tenkar promoting a blog? Well duh! Does it matter? Not really. Why OSR superstar? Well point was to do what Paizo does but with classic editions of D&D.
Don't forget that the OSR is a bunch of independent hobbyists and publishing all doing their own thing including Tenkar. Things like this only happen because people choose to support it. All of us participating decided it was a good idea and choose to support it in various ways.
What about me? I contributed a $100 in prize money, and agreed to be one of three judges.
Why did I choose to participate? I have my reasons but mainly is because I like being part of the hobby and this was another opportunity to contribute.
So I have 300+ MI from 200+ participants to plow through and I am 25% the way of the way through.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733121If a 10th of the talented people involved in the OSR would crank out original games that didn't use the OGL, now that would be a real "superstar" contest.
So you go to Chess Club and them they are unimaginative for playing, publishing, or promoting chess? It old so it got to be broken and boring.
Quote from: The Butcher;733226As for the contest itself, I always thought the "superstar" thing was a send-up of Paizo's own "RPG superstar" thingie
...which, in turn, was some tongue-in-cheek reaction to all those casting shows on TV (Popstars, Pop Idol, [Country] got Talent).
At least that's how I read the name. (And I've never even seen one of those...)
Quote from: The Butcher;733226I think Erik's a decent enough chap, and I feel it's kind of rich to decry someone for baiting blog traffic on a forum run by, you know, RPGPundit, but he's got an active account on these forums and he can defend himself if he wants to.
Promoting one's blog is fine.
Turning one's blog into a one-man warpath fueled by cheap-shots and self-entitlement just because they make good linkbait isn't.
Fair enough on the Pundit comparison, though I'd suggest says more about Tenkar than any one of us.
Quote from: estar;733232So you go to Chess Club and them they are unimaginative for playing, publishing, or promoting chess? It old so it got to be broken and boring.
I never said people who make OGL stuff are unimaginative. I said why don't some of those imaginative designers try and see if they can make
truly original works not using the OGL.
Imagine if Chess was the only game in the world and we didn't have Candyland or Chutes and Ladders?? Now that would suck!
Quote from: Dirk Remmecke;733234...which, in turn, was some tongue-in-cheek reaction to all those casting shows on TV (Popstars, Pop Idol, [Country] got Talent).
At least that's how I read the name. (And I've never even seen one of those...)
You're fortunate.
Quote from: estar;733228What about me? I contributed a $100 in prize money, and agreed to be one of three judges.
Why did I choose to participate? I have my reasons but mainly is because I like being part of the hobby and this was another opportunity to contribute.
So I have 300+ MI from 200+ participants to plow through and I am 25% the way of the way through.
Wow, that is a lot of material to review. Good luck. Glad your one of the judges.
Quote from: J Arcane;733235Promoting one's blog is fine.
Turning one's blog into a one-man warpath fueled by cheap-shots and self-entitlement just because they make good linkbait isn't.
Fair enough on the Pundit comparison, though I'd suggest says more about Tenkar than any one of us.
I think it does say a bit about us, because our community has had no problems tearing apart failed or lagging crowdfunding projects before, as seen in the Dwimmermount threads (one (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=24039), two (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=24293), three (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=26000) and four (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=27704)) and the more recent Exalted 3e thread (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=29069) (in which I myself post a fw of my reservations towards the way they'be handled the 3e Kickstarter, and Exalted in general from the beginning).
As for Pundit, well, I'm not crazy about his little Kulturkampf either, but much like even a broken watch is right twice a day, every now and then he says things that need be said.
I think Tenkar doesn't need the "failstarter" posts any more than Pundit needs to gain the animosity of half the hobby and industry, but I'll be damned if I want a say on how anyone should run a blog. Their only obligation is to own up to what they've said, which, to the best of my knowledge, both have always done.
Quote from: The Butcher;733241I think Tenkar doesn't need the "failstarter" posts any more than Pundit needs to gain the animosity of half the hobby and industry, but I'll be damned if I want a say on how anyone should run a blog. Their only obligation is to own up to what they've said, which, to the best of my knowledge, both have always done.
He can run his blog anyway he likes, and I can feel free to call him a douchebag for how he does it.
His KS warpath is why I stopped following him.
But his cheap shots about Contessa is why I blocked him, and the point in which he officially jumped the shark into pure douchedom.
Quote from: J Arcane;733243He can run his blog anyway he likes, and I can feel free to call him a douchebag for how he does it.
True dat.
Quote from: J Arcane;733243But his cheap shots about Contessa is why I blocked him, and the point in which he officially jumped the shark into pure douchedom.
Missed this particular ruckus. What'd he say?
Quote from: P&P;733210Oh, for Christ's sake. Eric Tenkar's a perfectly decent and reasonable bloke. His motive is to have a popular blog.
That is why I put in the ? you know.
Others seem to have had issues with him. Hence why others had issues with the contest.
But yeah - sure, Freak out there man. Freak out.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733238I never said people who make OGL stuff are unimaginative. I said why don't some of those imaginative designers try and see if they can make truly original works not using the OGL.
Fair enough let me rephrase it better.
Would you go to chess club and tell them why don't they make some truly original games rather than play, promote, or publish for chess?
Quote from: Endless Flight;733238Imagine if Chess was the only game in the world and we didn't have Candyland or Chutes and Ladders?? Now that would suck!
However that not the situation in two respects.
The first and most obvious is that classic D&D is not the only tabletop RPG and that classic D&D has successor editions like 3.X, Pathfinder, 4e, etc.
However more telling is that some in OSR have followed your advice and branched out into original games.
What you and many are missing is that there community of people interested in playing, publishing, or promoting classic edition of D&D. That is the point of its existence. That the kaleidoscope of people that make up this group is not static. Some are involved for a short time, others are longer.
If you still don't agree then I challenge you the same way I challenged your criticism, the Pundit's criticisms, if you think we are doing it wrong show, not tell, us how to do it better.
Quote from: estar;733249Fair enough let me rephrase it better.
Would you go to chess club and tell them why don't they make some truly original games rather than play, promote, or publish for chess?
I don't think the intent of my original post was to poo-poo people who make OGL stuff. My intent was that it would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create new games.
I'd like to see more Steve Kensons in the RPG world. Nothing more should be read from my post.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733250I don't think the intent of my original post was to poo-poo people who make OGL stuff. My intent was that it would be cool if some of these imaginative designers would create new games.
I'd like to see more Steve Kensons in the RPG world. Nothing more should be read from my post.
Who says they aren't? Everyone "designer" I know of has their own homebrew systems. But you know what? No one cares about a person's homebrew (unless they are an established name like Monte, and guess what? How did he establish his name? ;). They care about the games they are familiar with and like playing. So I think your assumption that they haven't/aren't creating new games is flawed.
I mean, take my example. In the past 5 or so years, I've had this readily out there and available:
(http://www.rpgnow.com/images/549/125791-thumb140.jpg)
For the first year or so, I had less than 100 people purchase it. Only when I went to a free product (later going to pay what you want) did it get any interest (I've now had over 10,000 downloads in the past couple years). But even at over 10,000 downloads, I bet most people here still haven't heard of it until now.
Quote from: The Butcher;733247True dat.
Missed this particular ruckus. What'd he say?
Here's part of it. http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2014/02/if-you-have-con-and-no-one-shows-did-it.html
Quote from: Gib;733124It is cringe worthy public jerkoffery, imo. Also an attempt to fill the 'power' vacuum created by the absence of guys like Reints and J. Mal.
Hello sir, I see you've been on the guided tour of the OSR before!
Quote from: Gib;733126I make junk for B/X because I play B/X; however, I have seriously considered making all my FRPG stuff system neutral. It just seems a little lazy, that's all. My maps and such are already pretty much system neutral. I'm not really interested in making games, though, OGL based or otherwise. I'm satisfied with what I have
Now when you say "system neutral" do you mean system neutral as in "Here's some orcs, they have some gold" or do you mean the ultra-concise OGL style, "There are 10 orcs in this room, they have 8, 5, 10, 7, 4, 4, 3, 6, 8, 9, 2 hit points each. Each carries 2d12 s.p., the largest (10 HP) has a jeweled dagger worth 150 g.p. and a healing potion." kind of "system neutral"?
Quote from: Sacrosanct;733255Who says they aren't? Everyone "designer" I know of has their own homebrew systems. But you know what? No one cares about a person's homebrew (unless they are an established name like Monte, and guess what? How did he establish his name? ;). They care about the games they are familiar with and like playing. So I think your assumption that they haven't/aren't creating new games is flawed.
I mean, take my example. In the past 5 or so years, I've had this readily out there and available:
(http://www.rpgnow.com/images/549/125791-thumb140.jpg)
For the first year or so, I had less than 100 people purchase it. Only when I went to a free product (later going to pay what you want) did it get any interest (I've now had over 10,000 downloads in the past couple years). But even at over 10,000 downloads, I bet most people here still haven't heard of it until now.
Have you made any games that aren't fantasy related? It's not my favorite genre, as I've admitted before.
Quote from: estar;733249Fair enough let me rephrase it better.
Would you go to chess club and tell them why don't they make some truly original games rather than play, promote, or publish for chess?
.
If they were just reprinting the rules to chess again and again with slightly different language and layout I would say they were wasting their time yes.
If they were writing about chess strategy or variant play styles then fine they are doing something useful even if it caters to a niche audience.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733265Have you made any games that aren't fantasy related? It's not my favorite genre, as I've admitted before.
Yes, and non-fantasy games are even more obscure and unknown
Quote from: Sacrosanct;733270Yes, and non-fantasy games are even more obscure and unknown
I've been looking for alternatives to d20 Modern for 10 years. Still haven't found one.
I wish more people would call out those on kickstarter that utterly fail to deliver a product. I almost consider Dwimmermount a case of fraud that should be prosecuted regardless of Kickstarter's Terms of Use.
The Myth & Magic Kickstarter is probably an even worse case than Dwimmermount.
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Hell, no.
Quote from: jeff37923;733296Hell, no.
Pretty much.
Quote from: Endless Flight;733295The Myth & Magic Kickstarter is probably an even worse case than Dwimmermount.
Doom that came to Atlantic city, Up Front, and several others too. Heroquest 25th Anniversary Classic Edition may be another. Wont know for several months.
I find the reactions to this whole thread interesting in and of themselves.
Tenkar has a wide audience. Sometimes it gets leveraged for cool community stuff. Other times it's an audience that hears rants or nearly-contentless posts. That's the nature of a blog in [our corner of] the hobby.
I never knew there could be so much hostility to "Hey make up a cool magic item and you might win free D&D shit".
Quote from: Joethelawyer;733713I never knew there could be so much hostility to "Hey make up a cool magic item and you might win free D&D shit".
New to the INTarwebs, are we?
People would shit flaming chainsaws if somebody was giving away free money.
Maybe if it didn't come across like the brown acid.
Quote from: Joethelawyer;733713I never knew there could be so much hostility to "Hey make up a cool magic item and you might win free D&D shit".
If that is their message, why didn't they make it clearer? Why the whole "OSR Superstar" motiff?
Quote from: jeff37923;733733If that is their message, why didn't they make it clearer? Why the whole "OSR Superstar" motiff?
Did you even read the initial post about it? It's pretty clear what the guidelines are and that its not that serious.
What motiff would you suggest for design a bunch of things old school DM's would have had to do before there were a million books to pull from and design it for a retroclone of OD&D?
Quote from: jeff37923;733733If that is their message, why didn't they make it clearer? Why the whole "OSR Superstar" motiff?
Humor. Which seems to have died some years ago.
Quote from: Bunch;733741Did you even read the initial post about it? It's pretty clear what the guidelines are and that its not that serious.
What motiff would you suggest for design a bunch of things old school DM's would have had to do before there were a million books to pull from and design it for a retroclone of OD&D?
"Let's make some shit up we think is fun"?
Quote from: Bunch;733741Did you even read the initial post about it? It's pretty clear what the guidelines are and that its not that serious.
Be fair to him,
most people in this thread haven't read the actual blog entry they're ostensibly commenting on. You should know very well that growing a vagina and filling it with sand
always, automatically comes with the loss of read-whatever-the-fuck-you're-talking-about skills.
Quote from: Premier;733801Be fair to him, most people in this thread haven't read the actual blog entry they're ostensibly commenting on. You should know very well that growing a vagina and filling it with sand always, automatically comes with the loss of read-whatever-the-fuck-you're-talking-about skills.
Most people on this thread woke up with my toddlers cranky pants on.
Or are tired of seeing "OSR" stuck on everything like an advertising buzzword. Especially since for most people to whom OSR is a thing, it just means D&D even though there were a lot of other good games as well from that era.
Looks like the cavalry has arrived. :D
Nobody has ever seen "OSR" stuck on blog-spam before; I'm looking at you G+.
We've given this cheesy old man joke to these cranky old man curmudgeons. Let's see what happens next!...
Quote from: Zak S;733846We've given this cheesy old man joke to these cranky old man curmudgeons. Let's see what happens next!...
Heh.
Now, for my money, "OSR Superstar" is like "Expert Model Railroader." It's VERY hard to take it seriously.
Quote from: Old Geezer;733858Heh.
Now, for my money, "OSR Superstar" is like "Expert Model Railroader." It's VERY hard to take it seriously.
Have you seen some of those high end model railroader assemblies? Scary levels of detail.
Quote from: Omega;733887Have you seen some of those high end model railroader assemblies? Scary levels of detail.
Yes, I've been part of the hobby since 1965.
But at the end of the day, we're still playing with toy trains.
Quote from: Old Geezer;733858Heh.
Now, for my money, "OSR Superstar" is like "Expert Model Railroader." It's VERY hard to take it seriously.
Yeah but some of those expert model railroaders make some bucks doing their Joe. I think Neil Young has a business installing model trains for people.
But I get your point.
Completely off topic, I saw your post in another thread about the buying proclivities of model railroad enthusiasts. I chuckled because the best places to buy RPGs when I was kid were the hobby shops where they sold trains. Besides I grew up with trains so I could attest to gripinv about the prices of fake plastic trees.
Back on topic though I don't get the problem with a contest to encourage some user generated content for an RPG. Maybe "Superstar" does put it on the level of a 3rd grade spelling bee.
My first and second hobby store also sold trains next to rpgs. I wonder if that was the norm?
Interesting as both the gaming shops I frequent also have extensive Model railroad sections. One also sells toy railroad sets. But its predominantly model railroading stuff.
Quote from: Omega;734050Interesting as both the gaming shops I frequent also have extensive Model railroad sections. One also sells toy railroad sets. But its predominantly model railroading stuff.
Goddam, so if can come up with an RPG that combines D&D with the use of high precision, historically accurate train models we could knock Games Workshop off their perch!
Quote from: Fiasco;734123Goddam, so if can come up with an RPG that combines D&D with the use of high precision, historically accurate train models we could knock Games Workshop off their perch!
Quick to the kickstarter mobile....
I've spent as much on Woodland Scenics grass as I have on D&D books so I believe your business model holds merit.
We have a Hobby Town relatively close that has both a large train section and RPG/ wargame section to this day. But you can sense a palpable tension between the employees so there may be some marketing hurdles to overcome ;-)
Quote from: MonsterSlayer;734137Quick to the kickstarter mobile....
I've spent as much on Woodland Scenics grass as I have on D&D books so I believe your business model holds merit.
We have a Hobby Town relatively close that has both a large train section and RPG/ wargame section to this day. But you can sense a palpable tension between the employees so there may be some marketing hurdles to overcome ;-)
Combine some added rpg elements to
Rail Baron, and replace the board with actual model trains and track/terrain boards and you can literally print money!! :D
Quote from: J Arcane;733243But his cheap shots about Contessa is why I blocked him, and the point in which he officially jumped the shark into pure douchedom.
Yeah, I was disappointed with that nonsense.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Fiasco;734123Goddam, so if can come up with an RPG that combines D&D with the use of high precision, historically accurate train models we could knock Games Workshop off their perch!
Tom Wham's Iron Dragon could have been.
Quote from: Fiasco;734123Goddam, so if can come up with an RPG that combines D&D with the use of high precision, historically accurate train models we could knock Games Workshop off their perch!
Technically, it would not be that much more difficult to make a steampunk looking walking mech that could move via RC across a battlefield than it would some RC cars or higher end model trains. I don't know why the
Iron Kingdoms guys have not tried this.
Great Rail Wars for Deadlands was kind of like that.
IIRC, the rules got turned into Savage Worlds...
Quote from: JeremyR;734185Great Rail Wars for Deadlands was kind of like that.
IIRC, the rules got turned into Savage Worlds...
I was going to mention Deadlands just screamed for some O gauge railroads and minis.
Reaper makes some cool western minis and some steam punkish stuff to if you wanted to that route.
I guess the trains would have to be static though, it would be tough to concentrate with trains buzzing around in an oval.
Quote from: MonsterSlayer;734194I was going to mention Deadlands just screamed for some O gauge railroads and minis.
Reaper makes some cool western minis and some steam punkish stuff to if you wanted to that route.
I guess the trains would have to be static though, it would be tough to concentrate with trains buzzing around in an oval.
None of this steampunk or mech nonsense. We are appealing to hard core model train enthusiasts. I'm talking a fight to death with time traveling orcs atop a perfect replica of the Flying Scotsman!
I need to bug Steve Jackson about Train Wars again some day.
Back on topic.
Eh, its a contest. Some like em some hate em.
I've had alot of ups and downs with game design contests and now-a-days just tend to avoid them unless they really tweak my interest.
I think people are making a big deal out of nothing.
I entered and didn't even notice the title. There are a lot of prizes, including stuff I will no longer get via normal cash means, but that I hanker for. I doubt there's a chance I'll win but I had an idea and really want the OD&D reprint box set.
I threw in a couple I had on the my blog. I don't care about prizes, I just like sharing my stuff.